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JS80

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Originally posted by: glutenberg
Originally posted by: JS80

Wow I'm surprised this came from an Econ professor...even at bend over liberal UCLA, the worst (most leftist) Econ professor I ever had was a tax everything to solve social ills - but all were most close to Libertarian.

How the hell does a liberal get a PhD in modern Economics? It's an oxymoron.

Out of curiousity, which professor are you talking about. I was an econ major at UCLA a few years back.

Earl Thompson. As you can see he is a bit kooky but his class was entertaining. His solution to everything was literally "tax it."
 

KoolAidKid

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Originally posted by: Vic
"People who want to take this event 24 hours afterwards and make this their political hobbyhorse, I've got nothing but loathing for them."

:thumbsup:

It takes two to debate. If you really believed in this sentiment you would not have participated in this discussion.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Originally posted by: jemcam
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: gwrober
Originally posted by: jemcam
Unfortunately universities are filled with professors that have liberal agendas that they feel they have the responsiblities to expound on.

Luckily you have a brain of your own and can reason. You also did the right thing by not questioning him.

:thumbsup:


Just as they are filled with those touting conservative agendas. Plenty professors tout evidence within specific fields that support a particular paradigm that is controversial within that field.

Bottom line, if you accept any professor's word as gospel without doing your own investigation into the material, you're being a poor student. So what if he has an opinion on gun control? Did he even mention which side of the plate he stands on?

Just as they are filled with those touting conservative agendas.

Did he even mention which side of the plate he stands on?


You crack me up dude. Are you serious???????:D


according to the OP, the professor said do something about gun control. relax it, restrict it...what? message implied, but not specified. I love how the gun folks jump into this withought considering the message (for your info--I'm not a ban guns type of person)

Have you been to college? Plenty of conservative-minded professors. The ones with morals however..well, they tend to be liberal. I'll admit that :D
 

glutenberg

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Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: glutenberg
Originally posted by: JS80

Wow I'm surprised this came from an Econ professor...even at bend over liberal UCLA, the worst (most leftist) Econ professor I ever had was a tax everything to solve social ills - but all were most close to Libertarian.

How the hell does a liberal get a PhD in modern Economics? It's an oxymoron.

Out of curiousity, which professor are you talking about. I was an econ major at UCLA a few years back.

Earl Thompson. As you can see he is a bit kooky but his class was entertaining. His solution to everything was literally "tax it."

LMAO, I knew that was who you were going to post. I had him too. The guy was crazy. I remember him staring off into the middle of the class for like 10 minutes without saying a word. Just staring.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: George P Burdell
Originally posted by: Shivetya
the problem wasn't that the bad guy had a gun, the problem was that no one else did.

The problem with your argument

Even though that opinion appears on a partisan site, it is still worth a read.

The problem is you might miss... ?


It's literally astounding the logical leaps that people will go to in order to push their agenda. Your minds are like a tabloid newspaper -- you come to your conclusions first.


no. the problem clearly states that in a 100% armed society, you now have the problem of identifying the target. Everyone has a gun, so who is the criminal? what are the cops supposed to think when they arrive?

That's irrelevant, cops always arrive after the fact. If you have ever been in a violent situation, the most shocking thing is how quickly it occurs. Literally, BAM! and it's over. That is to many people the hardest part to deal with in the psychological aftermath. The frailty of the human body is, quite frankly, astonishingly and alarmingly pathetic.

Next, the argument of a 100% armed society is a straw men. Typical of the bipolarization of internet discussions, I am aware, that the argument should devolve into either 100% armed or "ban all guns, illegal or otherwise," but neither extremist argument has any foundation in reality. See my argument earlier in this thread against the callous stupidity of the knee-jerking "simple solution" crowds.

Oh BTW, about the "conservative talking points." My 74 year-old father is a life-long liberal and Democrat who walks with a limp he leans so far to the left. At the same time, he's a CCW holder and carries most everywhere he goes. The issue of gun rights is NOT bipartisan (except, of course, to the usual partisan sheep arguing straw men on the internet... ).
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: KoolAidKid
Originally posted by: Vic
"People who want to take this event 24 hours afterwards and make this their political hobbyhorse, I've got nothing but loathing for them."

:thumbsup:

It takes two to debate. If you really believed in this sentiment you would not have participated in this discussion.

Text :roll:<^>
 

Linflas

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Jan 30, 2001
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Originally posted by: KoolAidKid
Originally posted by: Vic
"People who want to take this event 24 hours afterwards and make this their political hobbyhorse, I've got nothing but loathing for them."

:thumbsup:

It takes two to debate. If you really believed in this sentiment you would not have participated in this discussion.

It's not a debating point it, is a quote from the Governor of Virginia when he was asked this question in a press conference yesterday.
 

shadow9d9

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Jul 6, 2004
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Originally posted by: jemcam
Unfortunately universities are filled with professors that have liberal agendas that they feel they have the responsiblities to expound on.

Luckily you have a brain of your own and can reason. You also did the right thing by not questioning him.

Umm, universities are also filled with professors that have conservative agendas... I ran into quite a few that docked grades because of it.
 

BigJ

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Nov 18, 2001
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I couldn't take anything away from that comment.

My first impression is that the professor wanted to reduce gun control. People who want to increase gun control normally don't talk about it like that in my experience.

He/she probably left it ambiguous for a reason.
 

shadow9d9

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Jul 6, 2004
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Originally posted by: wkabel23
Let's see...blah blah conservative viewpoints are insane blah blah you jump to conclusions blah blah learn to think for yourself blah blah.

:roll:

Anyone making this about gun control is stupid, but the amount of liberal bashing in this thread is simply amusing. Unfortunately, people will use this to voice their opinions...people are opportunists. Just like many of you wet your pants in excitement because you were able to parrot your conservative views in this thread.

and for what it's worth, I don't want to ban guns!

It's funny because my strictly republican father's first response to the incident was to talk about how we need gun control. People here live in some warped world where only "liberals" think one way and conservatives never ever do. Everything is clear cut and no one thinks for themselves regardless of political parties. All professors have "liberal agendas", whatever that means, etc.

They try to stereotype everything into black and white so they could bash everyone who disagrees with them by calling them the enemy, in this case "liberals."
 

OutHouse

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Jun 5, 2000
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Originally posted by: skace
We just need to barcode humans and track them from space. Thats the answer.

my company is working on that. well more like GPS implants.

EDIT: i hope my sheriffs office calls me soon about my CC permit. i firmly believe a well armed society is a polite society. If a few of the students or professors at VT had CC permit many lives would have been saved. Madmen like the shooter are cowards and do not want to risk getting in a gunfight, their only aim is to kill as many "sheep" as they can before they eat their own bullet.
 

shadow9d9

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Originally posted by: jemcam
But of course you crazy righties would howl at the top of your lungs if buying a gun was at all limited to smart, sane people.

While I agree that guns should not be accessible by those with mental illness. Your comment about IQ tests is stupid. Ever heard of the second amendment?

Your requirements remind me of the "reading tests" adminstered in the 20's in order to vote, which kept a lot of blacks from voting.


The 2nd amendment was made at a time where police didn't exist, alarm systems connected to call centers didn't exist, and 911 didn't exist. The only way to protect yourself was with a gun. Things have changed. No need to have a gun anymore for protection.
 

shadow9d9

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: George P Burdell
Originally posted by: Shivetya
the problem wasn't that the bad guy had a gun, the problem was that no one else did.

The problem with your argument

Even though that opinion appears on a partisan site, it is still worth a read.

The problem is you might miss... ?


It's literally astounding the logical leaps that people will go to in order to push their agenda. Your minds are like a tabloid newspaper -- you come to your conclusions first.


no. the problem clearly states that in a 100% armed society, you now have the problem of identifying the target. Everyone has a gun, so who is the criminal? what are the cops supposed to think when they arrive?

That's irrelevant, cops always arrive after the fact. If you have ever been in a violent situation, the most shocking thing is how quickly it occurs. Literally, BAM! and it's over. That is to many people the hardest part to deal with in the psychological aftermath. The frailty of the human body is, quite frankly, astonishingly and alarmingly pathetic.

Next, the argument of a 100% armed society is a straw men. Typical of the bipolarization of internet discussions, I am aware, that the argument should devolve into either 100% armed or "ban all guns, illegal or otherwise," but neither extremist argument has any foundation in reality. See my argument earlier in this thread against the callous stupidity of the knee-jerking "simple solution" crowds.

Oh BTW, about the "conservative talking points." My 74 year-old father is a life-long liberal and Democrat who walks with a limp he leans so far to the left. At the same time, he's a CCW holder and carries most everywhere he goes. The issue of gun rights is NOT bipartisan (except, of course, to the usual partisan sheep arguing straw men on the internet... ).

""People who want to take this event 24 hours afterwards and make this their political hobbyhorse, I've got nothing but loathing for them."
"
 

MrDudeMan

Lifer
Jan 15, 2001
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Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: skace
We just need to barcode humans and track them from space. Thats the answer.

my company is working on that. well more like GPS implants.


can you take out perps mid-crime with a mini-ion cannon?
 

Gunslinger08

Lifer
Nov 18, 2001
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Originally posted by: homercles337
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: spidey07
Report him to the dean and call the news. Expose him for what he is.

A professor with tenure that has the ability to speak his mind freely without fear of termination for his comments?

I hate tenure. You shouldn't get a free pass because you've worked at a school for 3+ years.

Go learn what tenure is and why it is in place. Clearly you have no clue.

I know exactly why it exists. It protects you from being fired for saying stupid sh!t like this. "Academic freedom" my ass. Idiotic, misinformed political ass-spouting is more like it.
 

Vic

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Jun 12, 2001
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Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Originally posted by: jemcam
But of course you crazy righties would howl at the top of your lungs if buying a gun was at all limited to smart, sane people.

While I agree that guns should not be accessible by those with mental illness. Your comment about IQ tests is stupid. Ever heard of the second amendment?

Your requirements remind me of the "reading tests" adminstered in the 20's in order to vote, which kept a lot of blacks from voting.


The 2nd amendment was made at a time where police didn't exist, alarm systems connected to call centers didn't exist, and 911 didn't exist. The only way to protect yourself was with a gun. Things have changed. No need to have a gun anymore for protection.

The 2nd Amendment was not created for self-protection. Self-protection is part of an individual's right to life, and thus was considered to be inherent.
 

OutHouse

Lifer
Jun 5, 2000
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Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Originally posted by: jemcam
But of course you crazy righties would howl at the top of your lungs if buying a gun was at all limited to smart, sane people.

While I agree that guns should not be accessible by those with mental illness. Your comment about IQ tests is stupid. Ever heard of the second amendment?

Your requirements remind me of the "reading tests" adminstered in the 20's in order to vote, which kept a lot of blacks from voting.


The 2nd amendment was made at a time where police didn't exist, alarm systems connected to call centers didn't exist, and 911 didn't exist. The only way to protect yourself was with a gun. Things have changed. No need to have a gun anymore for protection.


either you are the most ignorant person ever or you are just trolling.
 

Tommouse

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Feb 29, 2004
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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: George P Burdell
Originally posted by: Shivetya
the problem wasn't that the bad guy had a gun, the problem was that no one else did.

The problem with your argument

Even though that opinion appears on a partisan site, it is still worth a read.

The problem is you might miss... ?


It's literally astounding the logical leaps that people will go to in order to push their agenda. Your minds are like a tabloid newspaper -- you come to your conclusions first.


no. the problem clearly states that in a 100% armed society, you now have the problem of identifying the target. Everyone has a gun, so who is the criminal? what are the cops supposed to think when they arrive?

That's irrelevant, cops always arrive after the fact. If you have ever been in a violent situation, the most shocking thing is how quickly it occurs. Literally, BAM! and it's over. That is to many people the hardest part to deal with in the psychological aftermath. The frailty of the human body is, quite frankly, astonishingly and alarmingly pathetic.

Next, the argument of a 100% armed society is a straw men. Typical of the bipolarization of internet discussions, I am aware, that the argument should devolve into either 100% armed or "ban all guns, illegal or otherwise," but neither extremist argument has any foundation in reality. See my argument earlier in this thread against the callous stupidity of the knee-jerking "simple solution" crowds.

Oh BTW, about the "conservative talking points." My 74 year-old father is a life-long liberal and Democrat who walks with a limp he leans so far to the left. At the same time, he's a CCW holder and carries most everywhere he goes. The issue of gun rights is NOT bipartisan (except, of course, to the usual partisan sheep arguing straw men on the internet... ).
Yes that example is extreme but it has some merit. Knowing who to shoot is the hardest part. It's easy with 1 bad guy 1 good guy, but what if multiple people have guns and want to stop the bag guy. How are 4 or 5 good guys going to know not to shoot the other good guys? The criminal/shooter isn't going to always be wearing a ski mask, he could look just like anyone else, and in that situation, how will you know which out of the 4 or 5 people is the real bad guy? What if you take out the wrong one? What if someone takes you out because he thinks you're the original shooter.
 

jemcam

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Jan 3, 2001
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Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Originally posted by: jemcam
But of course you crazy righties would howl at the top of your lungs if buying a gun was at all limited to smart, sane people.

While I agree that guns should not be accessible by those with mental illness. Your comment about IQ tests is stupid. Ever heard of the second amendment?

Your requirements remind me of the "reading tests" adminstered in the 20's in order to vote, which kept a lot of blacks from voting.


The 2nd amendment was made at a time where police didn't exist, alarm systems connected to call centers didn't exist, and 911 didn't exist. The only way to protect yourself was with a gun. Things have changed. No need to have a gun anymore for protection.

Come break into my house and find out then.

 

Gunslinger08

Lifer
Nov 18, 2001
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Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Originally posted by: jemcam
But of course you crazy righties would howl at the top of your lungs if buying a gun was at all limited to smart, sane people.

While I agree that guns should not be accessible by those with mental illness. Your comment about IQ tests is stupid. Ever heard of the second amendment?

Your requirements remind me of the "reading tests" adminstered in the 20's in order to vote, which kept a lot of blacks from voting.


The 2nd amendment was made at a time where police didn't exist, alarm systems connected to call centers didn't exist, and 911 didn't exist. The only way to protect yourself was with a gun. Things have changed. No need to have a gun anymore for protection.

You're an idiot. The 2nd amendment was made to protect the people from a tyrannical government.. like the ones we escaped from when we came to the "new world." Against a tyrannical government using the military against it's own citizens, how do we defend ourselves and our liberties without guns?
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: George P Burdell
Originally posted by: Shivetya
the problem wasn't that the bad guy had a gun, the problem was that no one else did.

The problem with your argument

Even though that opinion appears on a partisan site, it is still worth a read.

The problem is you might miss... ?


It's literally astounding the logical leaps that people will go to in order to push their agenda. Your minds are like a tabloid newspaper -- you come to your conclusions first.


no. the problem clearly states that in a 100% armed society, you now have the problem of identifying the target. Everyone has a gun, so who is the criminal? what are the cops supposed to think when they arrive?

That's irrelevant, cops always arrive after the fact. If you have ever been in a violent situation, the most shocking thing is how quickly it occurs. Literally, BAM! and it's over. That is to many people the hardest part to deal with in the psychological aftermath. The frailty of the human body is, quite frankly, astonishingly and alarmingly pathetic.

Next, the argument of a 100% armed society is a straw men. Typical of the bipolarization of internet discussions, I am aware, that the argument should devolve into either 100% armed or "ban all guns, illegal or otherwise," but neither extremist argument has any foundation in reality. See my argument earlier in this thread against the callous stupidity of the knee-jerking "simple solution" crowds.

Oh BTW, about the "conservative talking points." My 74 year-old father is a life-long liberal and Democrat who walks with a limp he leans so far to the left. At the same time, he's a CCW holder and carries most everywhere he goes. The issue of gun rights is NOT bipartisan (except, of course, to the usual partisan sheep arguing straw men on the internet... ).


I never advocated for one extreme solution on either side, either.

Cops' involvement aside, you didn't address teh situation in which all customers in a store bring robbed, now draw their guns when the threat is obvious. Those that run form one side of the store into the situation have no idea who the actual criminal is, neither do the majority of those in teh immediate vicinity. I'm sure the natural reaction would be to aim for the armed black dude, or latino, or what have you.

Either way, it's still a rational argument for why that extreme side of the argument is not valid.
 

Vic

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Jun 12, 2001
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Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: George P Burdell
Originally posted by: Shivetya
the problem wasn't that the bad guy had a gun, the problem was that no one else did.

The problem with your argument

Even though that opinion appears on a partisan site, it is still worth a read.

The problem is you might miss... ?


It's literally astounding the logical leaps that people will go to in order to push their agenda. Your minds are like a tabloid newspaper -- you come to your conclusions first.


no. the problem clearly states that in a 100% armed society, you now have the problem of identifying the target. Everyone has a gun, so who is the criminal? what are the cops supposed to think when they arrive?

That's irrelevant, cops always arrive after the fact. If you have ever been in a violent situation, the most shocking thing is how quickly it occurs. Literally, BAM! and it's over. That is to many people the hardest part to deal with in the psychological aftermath. The frailty of the human body is, quite frankly, astonishingly and alarmingly pathetic.

Next, the argument of a 100% armed society is a straw men. Typical of the bipolarization of internet discussions, I am aware, that the argument should devolve into either 100% armed or "ban all guns, illegal or otherwise," but neither extremist argument has any foundation in reality. See my argument earlier in this thread against the callous stupidity of the knee-jerking "simple solution" crowds.

Oh BTW, about the "conservative talking points." My 74 year-old father is a life-long liberal and Democrat who walks with a limp he leans so far to the left. At the same time, he's a CCW holder and carries most everywhere he goes. The issue of gun rights is NOT bipartisan (except, of course, to the usual partisan sheep arguing straw men on the internet... ).

""People who want to take this event 24 hours afterwards and make this their political hobbyhorse, I've got nothing but loathing for them."
"

Please don't show off your amazing powers of stupidity again. I was clearly NOT making this my "political hobbyhorse," and was condemning the arguments of the asshats (like yourself now) who were clearly trying to make this tragedy their political hobbyhorse.
But obviously, people like yourself with illogical arguments require the crutch of false dilemma in order to distract from just how poor your argument are. You need to make the entire issue into nothing but 2 exteme polarized illogical arguments. Thanks for admitting that to us.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Originally posted by: jemcam
But of course you crazy righties would howl at the top of your lungs if buying a gun was at all limited to smart, sane people.

While I agree that guns should not be accessible by those with mental illness. Your comment about IQ tests is stupid. Ever heard of the second amendment?

Your requirements remind me of the "reading tests" adminstered in the 20's in order to vote, which kept a lot of blacks from voting.


The 2nd amendment was made at a time where police didn't exist, alarm systems connected to call centers didn't exist, and 911 didn't exist. The only way to protect yourself was with a gun. Things have changed. No need to have a gun anymore for protection.

The 2nd Amendment was not created for self-protection. Self-protection is part of an individual's right to life, and thus was considered to be inherent.


The intent of the 2nd amendment was for citizens to be able to protect and defend themselves against a tyrannical governemnt that infringes on its rights as guaranteed by the constitution (the colonists were not allowed to own guns by the crown, this was a protection guaranteed for citizens should the need arise in the future)

The spirit and intent of the amendment is sound; unfortunately it is largely ignored and misunderstood.
 

SarcasticDwarf

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Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Originally posted by: jemcam
But of course you crazy righties would howl at the top of your lungs if buying a gun was at all limited to smart, sane people.

While I agree that guns should not be accessible by those with mental illness. Your comment about IQ tests is stupid. Ever heard of the second amendment?

Your requirements remind me of the "reading tests" adminstered in the 20's in order to vote, which kept a lot of blacks from voting.


The 2nd amendment was made at a time where police didn't exist, alarm systems connected to call centers didn't exist, and 911 didn't exist. The only way to protect yourself was with a gun. Things have changed. No need to have a gun anymore for protection.



No, the second ammendment was created at a time when a people had left a country increasingly denying the right to bear arms and decided that they did not want that to happen again. Police existed at that time. Heck, pretty much every hoursehold had a gun at that time. 911 calls centers, cell phones, and alarm systems are meaningless in most cases. It takes at least three minutes to respond to a call. What happens in three minutes? Is the guy waiting around for them to show up?
 

TheChort

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Originally posted by: Luthien
Originally posted by: G Wizard
this issue is not about gun control.
its really about Korean control.

LOL

Can't we just put all the koreans in a camp somewhere and concentrate them to one spot. That might stop something like this from happening again.

If we had done this for the Arabs 5 years ago, the Koreans might never have started their uprising.