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Linflas

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Originally posted by: DigitalWanksta
I walk into my Economics class today, for the first time since the VT shootings. My professor starts class with a serious; "I don't know what to say about the situation at Virginia Tech that hasn't already been said by others. However, I'll say this; you need to grieve but you need to do something about gun control or your kids will be in the situation that you?re in today."

Let me set the scene for you here because this guy is the type that thinks he knows everything. He makes sure you're aware that he has earned his PhD, etc.. Does he not realize that no matter what you do with gun control, you won't be able to stop a killer from executing his plan? If the government decides tomorrow to increase severe gun control and keep weapons out of reach, this will not keep a situation from taking place such as Virginia Tech.

I just got out of this class, and I felt the need to post it. It really just rubbed me the wrong way because he almost seemed insensible to those victims and their families so he could place more focus on what he thinks the government should do.

/end rant

Give your professor a direct quote from our governor when asked this question yesterday in a press conference:

People who want to take this event 24 hours afterwards and make this their political hobbyhorse, I've got nothing but loathing for them

Tim Kaine, Governor Commonwealth of Virginia

 

Vic

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Jun 12, 2001
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"People who want to take this event 24 hours afterwards and make this their political hobbyhorse, I've got nothing but loathing for them."

:thumbsup:
 

yowolabi

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Originally posted by: moshquerade

"I don't see why you get to decide how someone else frames their argument."

and yet, you feel you can do the same to me. :laugh:

if you read his post that i made the initial comment on, without his additional explanation that followed to cover his ass, it plainly sounds like he was saying this VTech incident had to do with the guy being Korean.

argue all you want about my interpretation. that is how i saw it, and i thought it was inappropriate to post.

No, I don't feel I can do the same to you, I was demonstrating why it doesn't make sense to tell others how they should get their message across. Their are many things on this board that people should get kicked off for, sarcasm shouldn't be one of them.

I understood immediately what he was trying to say as did others. Just because your sarcasm detector wasn't functioning correctly, it doesn't mean he did something wrong. Everyone who had a working one understood that his point was about guns, not about Koreans. It seems more like you want to be offended, seeing as how even after he explained his point which you originally missed, you still want to stick with the incorrect interpretation.
 

spidey07

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Aug 4, 2000
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Originally posted by: Vic
"People who want to take this event 24 hours afterwards and make this their political hobbyhorse, I've got nothing but loathing for them."

:thumbsup:

Not only that, the timing is great. If OP can only get this in the news/talkshows the professor will be under a TON of pressure.

OP - e-mail a few of the talk shows. Better yet, record it and send the clip. They'll handle it from there. You can stop this.

 

K1052

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Aug 21, 2003
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Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
My buddy goes to one of the Univ. of Wisconsin schools. In his American history class the professor started out the class talking about the bill of rights, and how they are not up to interpretation. She started talking about the 1st Amendment and the freedoms it gaurantees. Then as soon as she got to the second amendment she started talking about how this just gives us the right to form militias, not to own guns. I thought it was kind of ironic how she stated that the bill of rights isn't up for interpretation but then she put her liberal interpretative spin on the second amendment.

Yay for intellectual dishonesty. The framers would have laughed here out of her classroom if they could have been present.
 

Turin39789

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Nov 21, 2000
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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: spidey07
Report him to the dean and call the news. Expose him for what he is.

A professor with tenure that has the ability to speak his mind freely without fear of termination for his comments?

But protesting his comments everyday and rallying for him to leave CAN work.

Just call up a few talk shows, get it recorded, and railroad him out of town.

OP could even use PC in his favor this time. Say how hurt he was by the comments and how his entire belief in the educational system is broken by the words of this professor. OP may even have to seek counseling just to deal with the blow.

OP could just call the WAAAAHmbulance.

 

deerslayer

Lifer
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Originally posted by: zoiks
Simple solution. Ban all guns. Illegal or otherwise. Works for some countries.

Right. :roll: That will stop the criminals from getting guns.
 
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Originally posted by: zoiks
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: zoiks
Originally posted by: txrandom
Criminals and crazies will find a way to get a hold of a gun. Might as well let citizens have guns to protect themselves.

Yeah. And what do you do when a crazy ass citizen comes up and shoots somebody for no reason. Are you going to have your gun on you at all times?

So we should ban guns so that the "crazy asses" will be guaranteed unarmed people to shoot?

You sure make a lot of sense...

Like I said, ban all guns. Illegal or otherwise.

Yes, because illegal guns are all stored at the illegal gun depot, so the cops can just head on down there and confiscate them all. Brilliant!
 

hanoverphist

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Originally posted by: Shivetya
the problem wasn't that the bad guy had a gun, the problem was that no one else did.

exactly.

Originally posted by: zoiks
Simple solution. Ban all guns. Illegal or otherwise. Works for some countries.

bzzzt. wrong answer. when you ban guns legally, the only people that comply are the regular population, not criminals. criminals dont really care about rules and laws, thats why they are criminals. they will outgun everyone if the country bans firearms.

how about some mandatory classes for crisis training? how many people would have been saved from this if there were a mandatory class on how to deal with a situation similar to this? even if it just taught kids how to keep a clear head during a situation as traumatic as this things would have went very differently. IMO of course.
 
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Originally posted by: Vic
"People who want to take this event 24 hours afterwards and make this their political hobbyhorse, I've got nothing but loathing for them."

:thumbsup:

The Brady Bunch were salivating at the chance to use this to push their agenda on the news this morning.
 

hanoverphist

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Dec 7, 2006
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Originally posted by: zoiks
Originally posted by: txrandom
Criminals and crazies will find a way to get a hold of a gun. Might as well let citizens have guns to protect themselves.

Yeah. And what do you do when a crazy ass citizen comes up and shoots somebody for no reason. Are you going to have your gun on you at all times?

yes. its in my laptop case behind me as i type this. ive had to eject a few people out of this and a couple other offices ive worked at before, im sure it will come up again when its a "notsogood" neighborhood, and mostly industrial. we find slugs in the parking lot all the time on monday mornings, i used to keep them in a jar until it filled up. apparently the bullet of choice around here is a.357 with .45 a close second.
 

homercles337

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Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: spidey07
Report him to the dean and call the news. Expose him for what he is.

A professor with tenure that has the ability to speak his mind freely without fear of termination for his comments?

I hate tenure. You shouldn't get a free pass because you've worked at a school for 3+ years.

Go learn what tenure is and why it is in place. Clearly you have no clue.
 

Mxylplyx

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Mar 21, 2007
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Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: G Wizard
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: G Wizard
this issue is not about gun control.
its really about Korean control.

BAN!

Please find another board to troll.

not trolling. ridiculous notion eh?
proves my point how ineffective gun control is.
yeh... it was trolling. it was the very essence of trolling. you should have just noted you feel stricter gun control would be ineffective instead of implying that it had to do with the guy being Korean.

Jesus, lighten up. Who appointed you PC police of OT??

 

wkabel23

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Dec 7, 2003
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Let's see...blah blah conservative viewpoints are insane blah blah you jump to conclusions blah blah learn to think for yourself blah blah.

:roll:

Anyone making this about gun control is stupid, but the amount of liberal bashing in this thread is simply amusing. Unfortunately, people will use this to voice their opinions...people are opportunists. Just like many of you wet your pants in excitement because you were able to parrot your conservative views in this thread.

and for what it's worth, I don't want to ban guns!
 

pontifex

Lifer
Dec 5, 2000
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Originally posted by: zoiks
Originally posted by: herm0016
lots of people are blaming the 9mil hand gun and the movies/video games. the thing on cbs last night was horrid. saying how the gun has been " romatisized". do they really think that criminals care if there gun is legal? its already easer to buy a gun illegally than it is to get it registered with the background check and all the rest of the crap. blame society, blame the kid, don't blame the weapon he chose.

Simple solution. Ban all guns. Illegal or otherwise. Works for some countries.
lol
ok, law abiding citizens don't have guns.
look up the definition of a criminal...these are people who don't give a sh!t about laws. it will NOT stop anything
 
Feb 10, 2000
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The idea of turning in a professor for speaking his opinion is just ridiculous. Sometimes the silliness of this board is just too much for me.
 

PimpJuice

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Feb 14, 2005
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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: zoiks
Originally posted by: txrandom
Criminals and crazies will find a way to get a hold of a gun. Might as well let citizens have guns to protect themselves.

Yeah. And what do you do when a crazy ass citizen comes up and shoots somebody for no reason. Are you going to have your gun on you at all times?

So we should ban guns so that the "crazy asses" will be guaranteed unarmed people to shoot?

You sure make a lot of sense...

either everyone should have guns, or nobody should have guns(outside of law enforcement/military). In my opinion, its just as easy for someone to get a gun nowadays because theres so many of them out there. Anyone can steal one from an unsuspecting neighbor. The way peoples tempers are nowadays and attitudes towards others, I'd feel safer if less people had guns.

My father, mother and brother (just 2 days ago) have all been held up at gunpoint and robbed. I do not feel that they would have been any safer if we owned a gun as the gun was pulled on them before they would have been able to do anything about it with their own gun and any attempt to would have ended badly.

Either way, the world is a messed up place right now with so much hatred against one another. You cant even stand up for yourself without fearing that the person might have a gun or come back with one. (ex. honking the horn at the redneck who just cut you off and almost caused a crash while you have your baby in the back seat)....you think twice about doing that when you hear the stories on the news every night.

I just dont hear about guns being used to save many lives (by citizens)....instead I hear 10x as many stories about them being used by an angry husband/wife/son/student, etc...who happened to be 'normal' at the time of purchase.

just my biased 2cents from my experiences......

 

Martin

Lifer
Jan 15, 2000
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Originally posted by: DigitalWanksta
Originally posted by: Shivetya
the problem wasn't that the bad guy had a gun, the problem was that no one else did.

AMEN!

I really wish people would try to think more than one step ahead.

Ok, so everyone is armed and psycho kid still wants to kill some people. Well, psycho kid gets an explosive and throws it in a lecture hall. A grenade has a kill radius of ~5m (78.5m^2) and lots of lectures have 120 people packed in a space of about 7*10m. What are your guns going to do then?
 

Turin39789

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Originally posted by: wkabel23
Let's see...blah blah conservative viewpoints are insane blah blah you jump to conclusions blah blah learn to think for yourself blah blah.

:roll:

Anyone making this about gun control is stupid, but the amount of liberal bashing in this thread is simply amusing. Unfortunately, people will use this to voice their opinions...people are opportunists. Just like many of you wet your pants in excitement because you were able to parrot your conservative views in this thread.

and for what it's worth, I don't want to ban guns!

I believe the pro gun crowd spoke up in the original thread at about 10:34 am. Corrected
 

pontifex

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Dec 5, 2000
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Originally posted by: 0
Gun control aside, there is no reason this guy should have been allowed to purchase a handgun if he had mental illness that WAS reported back in 2005.

I think that handguns should have more stringent regulations than long arms, as they are easy to conceal, and seem to be a favorite of the nuts out there. If he was walking around with a shotgun, it would have set off alarms vs. packing inside his coat.

when did he purchase the guns? before 2005? he was fine back then. and reported how? his teacher said he was disturbed? that doesn't go on any record.

also, handguns DO have stricter regulations than long arms.
 

wkabel23

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Dec 7, 2003
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Originally posted by: DonVito
The idea of turning in a professor for speaking his opinion is just ridiculous. Sometimes the silliness of this board is just too much for me.

Indeed. Most of my professors allowed me to voice my opinion and if they didn't they were probably an asshole/bad prof...end of story. I feel that if you disagreed strongly enough with him then you could've voiced your opinion but maybe the prof was a real dick.