My prediction of the way we'll find out that God does indeed exist.

[nerp]

Originally posted by: Arcadio
I've always thought that one day we'll discover unmistakable proof of the existence of God, or an Intelligent Designer. I think the way it will occur is very similar to the way a computer programmer inserts an "Easter Egg" into a program, in such a way that it is not supposed to be seen, but that will be found if you look carefully.

There are two kinds of Easter Eggs that might exist in our Universe. The first kind would be buried deep inside subatomic particles. Now, I cannot even imagine the structure of such an Easter Egg. But as soon as our scientists look deep enough into the structure of subatomic particles, it will become clear that there is something there that was placed on purpose, and that defies the laws of nature and/or probability. I'm not talking about an Easter Egg that could be explained by probability (such as the structure of DNA). I'm talking about an Easter Egg that would unmistakable recognized as being created by an Intelligent Designer.

Holy crap, you haven't read much on the subject of physics, have you? You need to do some serious reading before you start contemplating these absurd ideas. Even a very basic overview of string theory and black holes would show you numerous clear examples of where the laws of physics do not apply in nature. There are also places where time does not exist. Try picturing a baby universe. If you don't know what that means, you should start with Hawking's lectures as a primer.

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: grohl
Are there any advantages to a gigabit switch vs standard 10/100? Or is it just theoretical?

depends on your service, the quality/ type of cabling and your end-user cards installed. there is great benefits if all pieces work together.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by: Crono

The question is what would constitute God's signature. There are plenty of atheists on these forums and in "real" life. Ask any of them what it would take to prove God's existence. Some would give some arbitrary sign, or something of personal significance, that would be required. Some would there is nothing that could prove God's existence to them. There is no consensus.

I know you didn't ask me, but I would accept the first 1 million digits of pi prefacing the first verse of Genesis, with a complete check-sum of those digits at the end of Revelations.

Shouldn't be that difficult for an allegedly omnipotent being.

I believe that what Jesus said is true.

You believe what anonymous people you've never met said about what Jesus said.

 

[El Guaraguao]

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Originally posted by: Arcadio

Originally posted by: Baked
You're delusional. Moms give birth and life, not some imaginary being that only exist in the the minds of the insecure and self doubters. See, right off the bat you're wrong. Bring me proof of how your so called god is the life giver, without using quotes from your fairytale bible, and maybe I'll let you heard what punishment is fitting for this mass murderer of innocent and children and protector of pedophiles and rapists.

You're making the typical atheist mistake: blaming the problems on God, and not in us. We were given the gift of free will, and we don't use it properly.

All the problems normally attributed to God should instead be attributed to our faulty use of free will.

In other words, the religion creates a logical bubble around God, exempting him from any kind of fault.
1) If it happens and it's good, it was part of its plan, and he gets the credit.
2) If it happens and it's bad, it's our fault, because of the free will he gave us.
3) If it happens and it's ambiguous, it was probably God's doing, and it will be good.


God transcends circular logic. He's working with spherical logic.

Actually:

If its bad you can probably break it up further
a) Its bad and its our fault because of our free will
b) Its a test by God to put us through trials throughout life
c) It is simply the way this world works, and we view it as bad

I would actually question how God can only be "good" in the way we see it...if it is a truly supreme, omnipotent force, then "God" must be the source of everything in this world. How there can be a force or another existance that can rebel without God's permission to rebel (or what we see as 'the devil'?

4) If it happens and It's bad, Its not our fault, the devil did it

 

[Modelworks]

In 2012 a large meteor like object will come hurtling through space at earth, then on 12/12/2012 it will suddenly stop. A large door will open on its side. Out will come a being made of blinding light. Everyone on earth will hear the message " What have you done ! I leave you this planet and look what you have done with it ! Look at you , you got pollution in the water, you have to drink that stuff you know ! Whales ? your killing the whales ? I should have listened and killed all of you , but no, I had to listen to my son and let you all live. That is that last time I let that happen. Time for you all to go the way of the dinosaurs. "

Paraphrasing but I wouldn't be surprised if I were right

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by: Crono
If God is God, then He alone has the right to take away life, since He gave it in the first place.

This may be your moral postulate, but the rest of us sentient beings are under no obligation to accept it.

Taking away life is wrong for human beings because we have no ownership over the lives of others. Murder is essentially the greatest and most heinous form of theft: the theft of life.

Then naturally, it should follow that nobody, not even God, should have unfettered freedom to end life.

If there's a God, He can do whatever He wants and wills, and right/wrong is dependent on what He says, not you, not I, nor your next door neighbor.

Says who? You? This is yet another moral postulate of yours that I do not accept.

Trying to hold God accountable is like a flea trying to hold a human accountable; it's laughable at best, sheer lunacy and futility at worst.

Might is right, to you, eh? Do you realize the logical end of such a position?

If you think there is no God, then say that. If you think you can judge God (and therefore are greater than God, or in fact God yourself) then say that.

I don't need to be "greater" than God to judge him.

 

[Blackjack200]

If God really existed, why won't he just talk to us? I mean, that to me seems like the most basic proof that any God that might exist (and I don't think there is one) is certainly not omnipotent.

Why would God create us, require us to believe in him, and then give us no tools to learn about him or even discover that he exists? Why would he make himself unobservable? I have five senses: sight, hearing, smell, touch, taste. Yet God has never made himself tangible to any of those senses.

Question for the religious: do you believe in anything else that you can't observe, and has no scienfic basis to exist? Or is God a special exception?

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: Blackjack200

Question for the religious: do you believe in anything else that you can't observe, and has no scienfic basis to exist? Or is God a special exception?

Other exceptions for me are Love, Music , Art. And how twins can grow up in the same family, having identical genetics but become two totally different people.
There are some things science just doesn't and may never know.

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: mofoe2001

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Originally posted by: Arcadio

Originally posted by: Baked
You're delusional. Moms give birth and life, not some imaginary being that only exist in the the minds of the insecure and self doubters. See, right off the bat you're wrong. Bring me proof of how your so called god is the life giver, without using quotes from your fairytale bible, and maybe I'll let you heard what punishment is fitting for this mass murderer of innocent and children and protector of pedophiles and rapists.

You're making the typical atheist mistake: blaming the problems on God, and not in us. We were given the gift of free will, and we don't use it properly.

All the problems normally attributed to God should instead be attributed to our faulty use of free will.

In other words, the religion creates a logical bubble around God, exempting him from any kind of fault.
1) If it happens and it's good, it was part of its plan, and he gets the credit.
2) If it happens and it's bad, it's our fault, because of the free will he gave us.
3) If it happens and it's ambiguous, it was probably God's doing, and it will be good.


God transcends circular logic. He's working with spherical logic.

Actually:

If its bad you can probably break it up further
a) Its bad and its our fault because of our free will
b) Its a test by God to put us through trials throughout life
c) It is simply the way this world works, and we view it as bad

I would actually question how God can only be "good" in the way we see it...if it is a truly supreme, omnipotent force, then "God" must be the source of everything in this world. How there can be a force or another existance that can rebel without God's permission to rebel (or what we see as 'the devil'?

4) If it happens and It's bad, Its not our fault, the devil did it

nope, the term is "the devil made me do it"

 

[Blackjack200]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: Blackjack200

Question for the religious: do you believe in anything else that you can't observe, and has no scienfic basis to exist? Or is God a special exception?

Other exceptions for me are Love, Music , Art. And how twins can grow up in the same family, having identical genetics but become two totally different people.
There are some things science just doesn't and may never know.

Love is observable. I can see my mate, there is a scientific basis for the chemicals in my brain that are making me behave a certain way, and these behaviors are rooted in evolution as they enable our species to reproduce and form a familial social structure.

I don't know how enjoying art or music is analogous to belief in God. I observe music with my ears and art with my eyes. If you are asking why we enjoy these things, I'm pretty certain there's an evolutionary basis, but I'm not too familiar with the question.

I'm not sure about the twin example either. I can observe twins growing up and make testable educated guesses about why they had similar or dissimilar life experiences.

 

[a123456]

Just saying, if you saw some guy on the street with a giant beard and lots of facial hair with little to no clothing yelling that he was Jesus back from the dead, would anyone believe him? Even if he performed some giant miracle, some people would believe and some people would discount it as sleight of hand or an advanced alien civ.

On the other question, a gigabit switch is definitely useful if your hard drives are fast enough for the extra speed and all the clients have gigabit NICs. Pretty much transfer rates will go from ~7-8MB/s to ~70-80MB/s. The gigabit switches are pretty much the same price as the 10/100 ones so it shouldn't be that big a deal. Trendnet has the 5 port version for 15$ after MIR sometimes.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: Blackjack200

Question for the religious: do you believe in anything else that you can't observe, and has no scienfic basis to exist? Or is God a special exception?

Other exceptions for me are Love, Music , Art. And how twins can grow up in the same family, having identical genetics but become two totally different people.
There are some things science just doesn't and may never know.

Twins? How is that something "science may never know?" We know that genetics are only part of the equation for how people develop, the other piece are their experiences. No two people have identical experiences, even if they are raised in the same family. Hence twins don't turn out the same.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
and stfu with that whiny "if you don't like a thread then why bother reading and posting in it."
because i felt like it. there.

Oh, oh, OH, the ironing!

You started the whine, and then when confronted whine some more about "whiners."

There's not enough cheese in the universe to go with your triple-threat whine.

This thread is now about wine.

Yellow Tail is good enough for me.

 

[Blackjack200]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: moshquerade
and stfu with that whiny "if you don't like a thread then why bother reading and posting in it."
because i felt like it. there.

Oh, oh, OH, the ironing!

You started the whine, and then when confronted whine some more about "whiners."

There's not enough cheese in the universe to go with your triple-threat whine.

This thread is now about wine.

Yellow Tail is good enough for me.

Professional wine tasters are unable to tell the difference between red wine and white wine with red food coloring. Anyone that spends more than $10 a bottle is just owning themselves.

 

[Perknose]

Topic Summary: [...] This is an especially serious thread.

Phew! And here I thought it was another masturbatory psuedo-intellectual interlude from ArcadioGameSimulator.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Blackjack200

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: moshquerade
and stfu with that whiny "if you don't like a thread then why bother reading and posting in it."
because i felt like it. there.

Oh, oh, OH, the ironing!

You started the whine, and then when confronted whine some more about "whiners."

There's not enough cheese in the universe to go with your triple-threat whine.

This thread is now about wine.

Yellow Tail is good enough for me.

Professional wine tasters are unable to tell the difference between red wine and white wine with red food coloring. Anyone that spends more than $10 a bottle is just owning themselves.

Don't know if it's that bad. Got a link? But I have read more than one tale of highly regarded professional wine-tasters being badly, badly fooled in blind taste tests.

Personally, I think this is evidence enough that our universe was not "intelligently designed."

 

[El Guaraguao]

Wheres serious cat when you need him?

 

[Blackjack200]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Blackjack200

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: moshquerade
and stfu with that whiny "if you don't like a thread then why bother reading and posting in it."
because i felt like it. there.

Oh, oh, OH, the ironing!

You started the whine, and then when confronted whine some more about "whiners."

There's not enough cheese in the universe to go with your triple-threat whine.

This thread is now about wine.

Yellow Tail is good enough for me.

Professional wine tasters are unable to tell the difference between red wine and white wine with red food coloring. Anyone that spends more than $10 a bottle is just owning themselves.

Don't know if it's that bad. Got a link? But I have read more than one tale of highly regarded professional wine-tasters being badly, badly fooled in blind taste tests.

Personally, I think this is evidence enough that our universe was not "intelligently designed."

lol, I don't remember where I heard it, but it always stuck with me because it's such a funny image. I don't know if I believe it either.

In any case, I'm not much of whine drinker. MaCallan 12 please.

 

[SunnyD]

Originally posted by: Blackjack200

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: moshquerade
and stfu with that whiny "if you don't like a thread then why bother reading and posting in it."
because i felt like it. there.

Oh, oh, OH, the ironing!

You started the whine, and then when confronted whine some more about "whiners."

There's not enough cheese in the universe to go with your triple-threat whine.

This thread is now about wine.

Yellow Tail is good enough for me.

Professional wine tasters are unable to tell the difference between red wine and white wine with red food coloring. Anyone that spends more than $10 a bottle is just owning themselves.

That's why I buy the shit in the box. Goes great for threads like this.

 

[BurnItDwn]

this is fail

Number 1: Zombies would not prove the existence of any god(s). So, naturally, I would not instantly believe in any sort of supernatural beings if the dead came back to life. Also, the dead have never come back from life in any sort of mysterious or unexplained way. If you think giving somebody CPR and reviving them counts (which, technically, is true), well, that can all be explained by rational science.
If Jesus said that zombies will not make people believe, then he was right in that instance.

Number 2: People see these "easter eggs" all the time, they are usually hoaxes, coincidences, or just cool science ... Take the northern lights for instance, people might think they were some sort of magical flying lights if they didn't understand how magnetic fields and solar winds interact. None have ever provided any evidense to support the belief in god(s).

Number 3: 2012 is the END OF THE WORLD! .... BULLSHIAT. Look, the Mayan Calander ended there because they couldn't fathom that far into the future. Shit, in the 60s and 70s we didn't even code our computers to handle y2K ... and that's only 30 years ahead of time ....


look, I understand that people believe in some sort of one or more beings that posess incredible knowledge and power or even going as far as considering them all powerful, all knowing. In my mind, I can concieve people believing this, and I can kinda understand it to some extent. I do not share those beliefs.

The ideas of literal story of creation as told in King James Bible/2012 apocalypse/future "prophecies", however, are just too incomprehensible for me to consider valid beliefs, in fact, the mere thought of them seems offensively stupid to me. Like, they are so completely unbelieveable, how could anybody believe them? I know there are many smart people with these beliefs who are educated, and not ignorant people. but I just can't fathom how they can still believe it. I must be missing some chunk of my brain or something. I rely on reason alone, and these seem to go against reason.

 

[Number1]

Originally posted by: Arcadio

Originally posted by: moshquerade
and stfu with that whiny "if you don't like a thread then why bother reading and posting in it."
because i felt like it. there.

Ok, I felt like making this freaking repost thread. There.

MAJOR reps.


:laugh:

Arcadio for elite.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: hanoverphist

Originally posted by: mofoe2001

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Originally posted by: Arcadio

Originally posted by: Baked
You're delusional. Moms give birth and life, not some imaginary being that only exist in the the minds of the insecure and self doubters. See, right off the bat you're wrong. Bring me proof of how your so called god is the life giver, without using quotes from your fairytale bible, and maybe I'll let you heard what punishment is fitting for this mass murderer of innocent and children and protector of pedophiles and rapists.

You're making the typical atheist mistake: blaming the problems on God, and not in us. We were given the gift of free will, and we don't use it properly.

All the problems normally attributed to God should instead be attributed to our faulty use of free will.

In other words, the religion creates a logical bubble around God, exempting him from any kind of fault.
1) If it happens and it's good, it was part of its plan, and he gets the credit.
2) If it happens and it's bad, it's our fault, because of the free will he gave us.
3) If it happens and it's ambiguous, it was probably God's doing, and it will be good.


God transcends circular logic. He's working with spherical logic.

Actually:

If its bad you can probably break it up further
a) Its bad and its our fault because of our free will
b) Its a test by God to put us through trials throughout life
c) It is simply the way this world works, and we view it as bad

I would actually question how God can only be "good" in the way we see it...if it is a truly supreme, omnipotent force, then "God" must be the source of everything in this world. How there can be a force or another existance that can rebel without God's permission to rebel (or what we see as 'the devil'?

4) If it happens and It's bad, Its not our fault, the devil did it

nope, the term is "the devil made me do it"

Lol.

Well to be slightly serious...from the Muslim perspective that isn't a valid answer. The devil can't make you do anything as he has no actual power over us. It is our own actions and decisions that made us do something The devil can only say "come on bitch, do it do it, you know you want to!" The Quran goes through this over and over again. Everyone knows this (zomg does that count as a callout?)

 

[sandorski]

I was eating Alphabet Soup one day when I saw "GOD". I freaked out, but then saw "NO" exactly one noodle to the left. All was well with the world.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: Blackjack200

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Blackjack200

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: moshquerade
and stfu with that whiny "if you don't like a thread then why bother reading and posting in it."
because i felt like it. there.

Oh, oh, OH, the ironing!

You started the whine, and then when confronted whine some more about "whiners."

There's not enough cheese in the universe to go with your triple-threat whine.

This thread is now about wine.

Yellow Tail is good enough for me.

Professional wine tasters are unable to tell the difference between red wine and white wine with red food coloring. Anyone that spends more than $10 a bottle is just owning themselves.

Don't know if it's that bad. Got a link? But I have read more than one tale of highly regarded professional wine-tasters being badly, badly fooled in blind taste tests.

Personally, I think this is evidence enough that our universe was not "intelligently designed."

lol, I don't remember where I heard it, but it always stuck with me because it's such a funny image. I don't know if I believe it either.

In any case, I'm not much of whine drinker. MaCallan 12 please.

I want a link for this...would be interesting to send to others if its real and verifiable.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: sandorski
I was eating Alphabet Soup one day when I saw "GOD". I freaked out, but then saw "NO" exactly one noodle to the left. All was well with the world.

Guffa Guffa. Well played Sir.