My dad - an example of christian conservative hypocrisy

[Dissipate]

Now to begin with, this thread is not to degrade my father who had provided me with many things, but I would like to use him as an example to bring up something I find quite ridiculous.

Here in this land called the U.S.A. there is a well known demographic known as the christian conservative. This demographic is known to be quite outspoken against pornography, and often calls for censorship of pornographic material. However, we must ask ourselves, how many of these men (and possibly women) within this demographic look at porn themselves?

My father along with my mother have both given me quite a few lectures about the "evils" of the porn industry. They talk about how it degrades women, spreads diseases such as AIDS etc. However, late at night I have caught my father (the porn critic) on the computer looking at porn!

Not only that but one time I was over at one of my uncle's houses, an even more hard core christian conservative. I went on to his computer and decided to do a little searchy search while no one was looking. His IE history folder was loaded with porn pages. Now I don't know for certain if it was his kids (he has two sons) or him, but some time later my brother and I confronted our little cousins about the porn in the history folder. My uncle overheard and seemed quite agitated, he asked briskly: "What are you doing searching around on our computer anyways?" I decided not to answer the question and left it at that.

If anyone could shed some light on this subject, please do because I really cannot believe the extreme hypocrisy taking place here. My theory is that these christian conservative men will publicly denounce pornography in order to appease their wives, but then secretly relish themselves in it while no one is watching.

 

[Zephyr106]

my brother and I confronted our little cousins about the porn in the history folder

:roll:

Hmmm corrupting your little cousins and creating conflict within their family?

I'm surprised your surprised with what you have found. It is S.O.P. for many who lambast porn to view it. Its also S.O.P. for many who are silent on the subject to view porn as well.

Zephyr

 

[alchemize]

Being a christian doesn't mean being free from sin.

But instead of asking us, why don't you ask your DAD?

 

[joelnaten]

Not all are like that, but you can be sure the hypocrisy is there. But then again it's in everything, and not just religion. People want to be viewed in a certain light, even if they aren't that way. I've known people who pretended to do drugs, just so they'd be liked by the people who did. Sounds odd, but it's human nature. Human nature of men is to admire the female form. Now, you can tell yourself that you when you see a hot chick you don't get turned on, but who are you kidding? Why do you think so many preists are pedophiles? They're told to stay away from women, but they still have basic human sexual desires that can't just be turned off. So, their behavior becomes deviant.

 

[Zephyr106]

Originally posted by: joelnaten
Not all are like that, but you can be sure the hypocrisy is there. But then again it's in everything, and not just religion. People want to be viewed in a certain light, even if they aren't that way. I've known people who pretended to do drugs, just so they'd be liked by the people who did. Sounds odd, but it's human nature. Human nature of men is to admire the female form. Now, you can tell yourself that you when you see a hot chick you don't get turned on, but who are you kidding? Why do you think so many preists are pedophiles? They're told to stay away from women, but they still have basic human sexual desires that can't just be turned off. So, their behavior becomes deviant.

You have opened a chicken and egg argument with your priest example. I would submit that a disproportionate number of homosexuals from socially conservative backgrounds enter the priesthood to remove themselves from the commonplace heterosexual lifestyle of marriage.

Zephyr

 

[Yo Ma Ma]

alchemize is correct, being a Christian does not mean being free from sin. Further, your father being a hypocrite and a Christian doesn't mean that all Christians are hypocrites.

I am not a big fan of judging a person from any links you might find in a history folder. I've seen some pretty vile things just from clicking the links off anandtech, and as you know they are pretty careful on what they let go through. Same goes for spam, google searches, etc.

You should talk to your dad and let him know that what you see doesn't fit with the message he carries, perhaps something positive will come of it for one or both of you.

 

[Kipper]

People make a big deal over porn, sex, and the human body. A few jugs and sausage never killed anybody. Will we please remove our collective heads out of each other's business and let each other get on with our lives?

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: alchemize
Being a christian doesn't mean being free from sin.

But instead of asking us, why don't you ask your DAD?

Truthfully I think it would embarrass him greatly if I confronted him about it and I don't really care. As far as I"m concerned we all have our bone closets, but just looking at my family + extended it appears to be an epidemic of duality.

 

[T2T III]

Religion = Hypocrisy. And, lot's of it. In my life, I've found the biggest source of hypocrites are religious folks. They love to live life ... on their terms.

?Are you any less of a thief if you steal $10 or $1,000?? asks Dobbins, adding that when Christians cheat or steal, even in instances when everyone else seems to be doing it, they erase the line of demarcation that separates how Christians and non-Christians live. ?The unbeliever feels that the Christian is no different than they are, so why should they become a Christian??

Taken from: http://www.ag.org/pentecostal-evangel/News2004/4688_cybertheft.cfm

One guy that I used to know would parade around as being a christian. At lunch, we would pause from eating when he would sit down to say thanks to God for his food. But, within his life, he thrived on getting and using lots of free/illegal software. He often then bragged about installing site blocks so that his home computer would not go to porn sites. Again, he seemed to love being a christian, but only by his rules.

Sadly, the Republican party tends to collect lots of followers just because the people are against abortion. They don't really care what else the party stands for - as long as abortions are considered a "no-no."

 

[zephyrprime]

Why do you think so many preists are pedophiles? They're told to stay away from women, but they still have basic human sexual desires that can't just be turned off. So, their behavior becomes deviant.

But why do they become homosexual paedophiles instead of straight fornicaters?

 

[Yo Ma Ma]

Originally posted by: zephyrprime

Why do you think so many preists are pedophiles? They're told to stay away from women, but they still have basic human sexual desires that can't just be turned off. So, their behavior becomes deviant.

But why do they become homosexual paedophiles instead of straight fornicaters?

I would tend to agree with Zephyr106's observation.

You have opened a chicken and egg argument with your priest example. I would submit that a disproportionate number of homosexuals from socially conservative backgrounds enter the priesthood to remove themselves from the commonplace heterosexual lifestyle of marriage.

 

[Todd33]

All Christians are hypocrits, religious babble will never overcome human nature.

 

[XMan]

So the argument is that since some religious people are hypocrites, then religion itself is hypocrisy?

Thanks for the clarification.

Last time I checked the failures of those who believe doesn't invalidate the system of beliefs.

 

[T2T III]

Originally posted by: zephyrprime

Why do you think so many preists are pedophiles? They're told to stay away from women, but they still have basic human sexual desires that can't just be turned off. So, their behavior becomes deviant.

But why do they become homosexual paedophiles instead of straight fornicaters?

Good point. I guess I'd like to find out this answer, too. There must be plenty of hottie wives in the congregation. I just guess that since the Catholic church used alter boys, it led to trouble for the priests because of their accesibility.

 

[Perknose]

The bigger the front, the bigger the back.

John Asscough put that ridiculous bedsheet over Lady Justice, but I wonder, just wonder, what's in Big John's IE history folder.

 

[judasmachine]

Having been forced into church a few times myself, and the Fellowship of Christian Atheletes, I soon realized that no one even really listens to the preacher. No one really cares, all they do is sit in the pews and talk about how so and so is a slut, or an arsehole. The whole thing is a farse. I remember my old boss (staunch republican & methodist) telling me he believes that we evolved from apes, and that he and others in the local Rotary Club really go because it's good for business to be seen there. He quickly then told me that it's a widespread untalked about secret. He is a profit hound pure and simple, but hides behind what he thinks to be sound moral ground. And yes, there is porn in his IE history too. I found it when I was showing him how to erase his cookies and spyware, etc. And keep in mind this is the rural texas panhandle, we have the strictest of dogmatic, conservative bastards. Fallwell, is looked upon as a saint here. hypocrisy, tx. God I love it.................

 

[Phokus]

It's not surprising, trying to suppress your natural feelings just makes you that much more sex crazed.

Bill Hicks had a funny bit about fundy christians and porn:

"The supreme court defines pornography as something that has 'no artist value' and 'creates sexual though'. Yet, fundamentalist christians want everyone to procreate. Gee, i wonder how that works. You would think christians would be FOR pornography. Maybe a centerfold in the Bible. Here's Miss Deutoronomy. Her turnoffs includes floods, locusts..."

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: Phokus
It's not surprising, trying to suppress your natural feelings just makes you that much more sex crazed.

Bill Hicks had a funny bit about fundy christians and porn:

"The supreme court defines pornography as something that has 'no artist value' and 'creates sexual though'. Yet, fundamentalist christians want everyone to procreate. Gee, i wonder how that works. You would think christians would be FOR pornography. Maybe a centerfold in the Bible. Here's Miss Deutoronomy. Her turnoffs includes floods, locusts..."

Brillant!!

:thumbsup:

 

[DubyaDisciple]

Originally posted by: Dissipate
Now to begin with, this thread is not to degrade my father who had provided me with many things, but I would like to use him as an example to bring up something I find quite ridiculous.

Here in this land called the U.S.A. there is a well known demographic known as the christian conservative. This demographic is known to be quite outspoken against pornography, and often calls for censorship of pornographic material. However, we must ask ourselves, how many of these men (and possibly women) within this demographic look at porn themselves?

My father along with my mother have both given me quite a few lectures about the "evils" of the porn industry. They talk about how it degrades women, spreads diseases such as AIDS etc. However, late at night I have caught my father (the porn critic) on the computer looking at porn!

Not only that but one time I was over at one of my uncle's houses, an even more hard core christian conservative. I went on to his computer and decided to do a little searchy search while no one was looking. His IE history folder was loaded with porn pages. Now I don't know for certain if it was his kids (he has two sons) or him, but some time later my brother and I confronted our little cousins about the porn in the history folder. My uncle overheard and seemed quite agitated, he asked briskly: "What are you doing searching around on our computer anyways?" I decided not to answer the question and left it at that.

If anyone could shed some light on this subject, please do because I really cannot believe the extreme hypocrisy taking place here. My theory is that these christian conservative men will publicly denounce pornography in order to appease their wives, but then secretly relish themselves in it while no one is watching.

Grow up and maybe you will be half the man your father is.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: DubyaDisciple

Originally posted by: Dissipate


Grow up and maybe you will be half the man your father is.

You mean he should be a hypocrite who preaches against the evils of porn yet secretly looks at porn anyway?

 

[DubyaDisciple]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: DubyaDisciple

Originally posted by: Dissipate


Grow up and maybe you will be half the man your father is.

You mean he should be a hypocrite who preaches against the evils of porn yet secretly looks at porn anyway?

I guess if you can convince him that his loving, well-meaning father is some kind of horrid "Christian hypocrite".. instead of the father who probably has endless love in his heart... who would do anything for his son.. then give it your best shot.

Everyone has flaws, and being a Christian doesnt mean you are perfect nor does it mean you have to live without sin.

Being Christian means you have the brainpower to comprehend that things are never created without purpose, or in laymans terms.. that a God is undeniable.

And that as Christians we acknowledge to God that we are imperfect, and place the sins we will commit into our faith that Jesus Christ died for us.

So hes actually not a hypocrite at all. Its what you admit being a Christian.
Hes doing exactly as he knows he will undoubtably do, and exactly as God expects of him as a mortal.
The flipside is that as a Christian he should try not to do such things in the future, but that does not make the thesis incorrect.



I find it extremely funny how if you actually try to live for something greater, and have morals...being a "hypocrite" is so horrible.
While those who live for nothing, who have no morals, are held to code... anything goes..
somehow in your sick mind those people are held in greater esteem than those who fail to live up to a code of morality.

AT LEAST THEY ARE NOT HYPOCRITES!
lol

 

[TheBDB]

Originally posted by: DubyaDisciple

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: DubyaDisciple

Originally posted by: Dissipate


Grow up and maybe you will be half the man your father is.

You mean he should be a hypocrite who preaches against the evils of porn yet secretly looks at porn anyway?

I guess if you can convince him that his loving, well-meaning father is some kind of horrid "Christian hypocrite".. instead of the father who probably has endless love in his heart... who would do anything for his son.. then give it your best shot.

Everyone has flaws, and being a Christian doesnt mean you are perfect nor does it mean you have to live without sin.

Being Christian means you have the brainpower to comprehend that things are never created without purpose, or in laymans terms.. that a God is undeniable.

And that as Christians we acknowledge to God that we are imperfect, and place the sins we will commit into our faith that Jesus Christ died for us.

So hes actually not a hypocrite at all. Its what you admit being a Christian.
Hes doing exactly as he knows he will undoubtably do, and exactly as God expects of him as a mortal.
The flipside is that as a Christian he should try not to do such things in the future, but that does not make the thesis incorrect.



I find it extremely funny how if you actually try to live for something greater, and have morals...being a "hypocrite" is so horrible.
While those who live for nothing, who have no morals, are held to code... anything goes..
somehow in your sick mind those people are held in greater esteem than those who fail to live up to a code of morality.

AT LEAST THEY ARE NOT HYPOCRITES!
lol

Bwahahaha you are teh funnay.

 

[biostud]

While many look at pr0n, it's still not socially accepted. I doubt that most users of pr0n, if asked, would like to have their own daughter participate in it. It's a question between lust and morality. I see both as basic human features, and none of them should be considered a sin. I strongly disagree with those judging other people for haveing lust for looking at naked women. Pr0n is fantasies played by real humans, and as long as the user can differ between what is just a sexual fantasy and how the real world works, I can't see no harm (for the user). But for the persons in the pr0n industry, I feel a kind sadness. I can't imagine how I would sell my body for money, I can't imagine how anyone would like to do this. But I don't think it's for me to judge what is right and what is wrong. And that's where I disagree with religious zealots passing a judgement on those who use pr0n and those who work in the industry. I think the best would be to teach our children about how sex work in the real world and how to deal with our fantasies and pr0n. For those working in the pr0n industry, I think that their perception of their own body and thereby themself is somewhat broken. I can't imagine how you can function emotionally and sell your body like they do. For that I feel sad, that they destroy themself for a living.

 

[T2T III]

Originally posted by: biostud666
While many look at pr0n, it's still not socially accepted. I doubt that most users of pr0n, if asked, would like to have their own daughter participate in it. It's a question between lust and morality. I see both as basic human features, and none of them should be considered a sin.

It's very similar to smoking and drinking. Any hardcore smoker that I know - who has been doing it for several years, isn't proud of smoking. They do it because of addiction, but they would not like for their children to smoke.

 

[Isla]

((((Dissipate!))))

No explanations, just a few hugs. My husband's family is like that... worse even. He loves them, yet is disgusted and angered by the self-righteousness and hypocrisy.

It seems that by pointing out how SINFUL everyone ELSE is, it is a lot easier to hide your OWN problems. The more critical and judgemental someone is, the more sure I am that they have some pretty ugly stuff in their psyches that they don't want anyone to notice.