My dad - an example of christian conservative hypocrisy

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Isla

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: zephyrprime

Why do you think so many preists are pedophiles? They're told to stay away from women, but they still have basic human sexual desires that can't just be turned off. So, their behavior becomes deviant.

But why do they become homosexual paedophiles instead of straight fornicaters?

Then what excuse do you have for teachers? I would think a huge amount of teachers are atheists and liberal yet pedophilia is rampant in the schools.

Rampant?



There may be a few bad apples here and there, and when they get caught, it is sensational news.

Meanwhile, the majority of us won't even risk having sex on the beach with our husbands (in celebration of our 12th anniversary) because we are afraid what would happen if we get caught.

I sincerely told him, "No sweetheart, because if we get caught, it will end up being front page news!"

Sigh.

Forget it Isla, he's a teen with a mouth bigger than what his beliefs can back up.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

My theory is that these christian conservative men will publicly denounce pornography in order to appease their wives, but then secretly relish themselves in it while no one is watching.

we are all frail humans, that you don?t want society to encourage the proliferation of something isn?t a hypocritical view, even if you yourself engage in that action.

I?m sure plenty of coke addicts don?t think it should be legalized.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

My theory is that these christian conservative men will publicly denounce pornography in order to appease their wives, but then secretly relish themselves in it while no one is watching.

we are all frail humans, that you don?t want society to encourage the proliferation of something isn?t a hypocritical view, even if you yourself engage in that action.

I?m sure plenty of coke addicts don?t think it should be legalized.

Maybe if you stopped doing it you would make sense once in a while?

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

My theory is that these christian conservative men will publicly denounce pornography in order to appease their wives, but then secretly relish themselves in it while no one is watching.

we are all frail humans, that you don?t want society to encourage the proliferation of something isn?t a hypocritical view, even if you yourself engage in that action.

This is true. Unfortunately, it is a strawman and has absolutely no connection with the subject at hand.

I?m sure plenty of coke addicts don?t think it should be legalized.

But if they said that you shouldn't do Coke because it's bad for you?

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Good points guys. I think as humans we were giving the ability to control our urges, and if we lived to fulfill our every pleasure then I believe we would be a lot worse off. It's all a give and take, you have to decide for yourself what you believe is morally good. Unfortunately many believe they have a RIGHT, whether faith-based or not, to impose their beliefs on the rest of America.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

My theory is that these christian conservative men will publicly denounce pornography in order to appease their wives, but then secretly relish themselves in it while no one is watching.

we are all frail humans, that you don?t want society to encourage the proliferation of something isn?t a hypocritical view, even if you yourself engage in that action.

I?m sure plenty of coke addicts don?t think it should be legalized.

Maybe if you stopped doing it you would make sense once in a while?

People who see first hand how something can hurt your life in no way means that their view on that thing is without merit, or hypocritical.

It'd only be hypocritical if that addict was holding himself up as an example of perfection in that case.

I?ll grant you that a new perspective would probably exist if he hadn?t seen the dark underbelly of that particular vice, but that doesn?t make his perspective invalid or hypocritical, though he should understand that it won?t be everyone?s exprence.

I?m sure plenty of coke addicts don?t think it should be legalized.

But if they said that you shouldn't do Coke because it's bad for you?

then they would know better than anyone else what kind of life-destructive effects it has, wouldn't they?

Now if they said "you shouldn't do it because I don't and I?m well off" that would be a problem.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

My theory is that these christian conservative men will publicly denounce pornography in order to appease their wives, but then secretly relish themselves in it while no one is watching.

we are all frail humans, that you don?t want society to encourage the proliferation of something isn?t a hypocritical view, even if you yourself engage in that action.

I?m sure plenty of coke addicts don?t think it should be legalized.

Maybe if you stopped doing it you would make sense once in a while?

People who see first hand how something can hurt your life in no way means that their view on that thing is without merit, or hypocritical.

It'd only be hypocritical if that addict was holding himself up as an example of perfection in that case.

I?ll grant you that a new perspective would probably exist if he hadn?t seen the dark underbelly of that particular vice, but that doesn?t make his perspective invalid or hypocritical, though he should understand that it won?t be everyone?s exprence.

I?m sure plenty of coke addicts don?t think it should be legalized.

But if they said that you shouldn't do Coke because it's bad for you?

then they would know better than anyone else what kind of life-destructive effects it has, wouldn't they?

Yes. He'd also be a hypocrite. Agree?

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: Excelsior
All of you that bash christianity are just as close-minded as the conservative-christians themselves.

I don't think you're bashing Christianity when you comment on those who practice it. It's like calling Islam an evil religion based on the actions of those who claim they practice it. The critisism is of the inherent hypocracy of those who claim to be doing something in the name of faith when their actions clearly suggest otherwise.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

My theory is that these christian conservative men will publicly denounce pornography in order to appease their wives, but then secretly relish themselves in it while no one is watching.

we are all frail humans, that you don?t want society to encourage the proliferation of something isn?t a hypocritical view, even if you yourself engage in that action.

I?m sure plenty of coke addicts don?t think it should be legalized.

Maybe if you stopped doing it you would make sense once in a while?

People who see first hand how something can hurt your life in no way means that their view on that thing is without merit, or hypocritical.

It'd only be hypocritical if that addict was holding himself up as an example of perfection in that case.

I?ll grant you that a new perspective would probably exist if he hadn?t seen the dark underbelly of that particular vice, but that doesn?t make his perspective invalid or hypocritical, though he should understand that it won?t be everyone?s exprence.

I?m sure plenty of coke addicts don?t think it should be legalized.

But if they said that you shouldn't do Coke because it's bad for you?

then they would know better than anyone else what kind of life-destructive effects it has, wouldn't they?

Yes. He'd also be a hypocrite. Agree?

Should i bow at this point or should i wait until he finishes the argument and agrees that he is indeed a hypocrite? Nicelly done Gaard.

VERY nicely done.

 

[jackschmittusa]

nutxo

Take the numbers as you will, but please leave your bigotry at the door.

I fail to se how you interpret that as bigotry. The vast majority of cases I seem to read about involve priests. I read that various elements of the Catholic Church are being sued into bankrupsy because of the large number of suits filed. You were the one to imply that atheists and liberals must form a large part of the problem.

Would you have liked it better if I asked if you had any figures for "atheist and liberal pedophile teachers"?

 

[nutxo]

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
nutxo

Take the numbers as you will, but please leave your bigotry at the door.

I fail to se how you interpret that as bigotry. The vast majority of cases I seem to read about involve priests. I read that various elements of the Catholic Church are being sued into bankrupsy because of the large number of suits filed. You were the one to imply that atheists and liberals must form a large part of the problem.

Would you have liked it better if I asked if you had any figures for "atheist and liberal pedophile teachers"?

Your right. A teacher is a teacher, and when you bring religion (or lack thereof) into it you are a bigot. Sorry. I can say that if I had heard about 4.5 million cases involving priest had been reported I would have remembered it though.

NEA is one of the largest PACs in the coutry. It must be a government coverup. If you put the blame on Bush I'm sure you'll take the news a little more gracefully.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Excelsior
All of you that bash christianity are just as close-minded as the conservative-christians themselves.

I don't think you're bashing Christianity when you comment on those who practice it. It's like calling Islam an evil religion based on the actions of those who claim they practice it. The critisism is of the inherent hypocracy of those who claim to be doing something in the name of faith when their actions clearly suggest otherwise.

Sorry, I guess I misread some things. I thought someone did infact bash christianity. I agree though, about the hypocrisy. However, for every "bad" christian, I bet there are a few or more "good" ones.

Anyway..why start a thread about this anyway? Many people, in every religion, do the same thing the OPs dad does. Christians aren't the only ones guilty.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Excelsior
All of you that bash christianity are just as close-minded as the conservative-christians themselves.

I don't think you're bashing Christianity when you comment on those who practice it. It's like calling Islam an evil religion based on the actions of those who claim they practice it. The critisism is of the inherent hypocracy of those who claim to be doing something in the name of faith when their actions clearly suggest otherwise.

Sorry, I guess I misread some things. I thought someone did infact bash christianity. I agree though, about the hypocrisy. However, for every "bad" christian, I bet there are a few or more "good" ones.

Anyway..why start a thread about this anyway? Many people, in every religion, do the same thing the OPs dad does. Christians aren't the only ones guilty.

So you are saying not ALL chrisians are holier than thou bible thumpers who hate moe than they could EVER love, well, prove it. From what i have seen so far, religion is just used ot further you OWN agena no matter how silly it is.

That goes for Islam and chrisianity an religion as a whole.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Excelsior
All of you that bash christianity are just as close-minded as the conservative-christians themselves.

I don't think you're bashing Christianity when you comment on those who practice it. It's like calling Islam an evil religion based on the actions of those who claim they practice it. The critisism is of the inherent hypocracy of those who claim to be doing something in the name of faith when their actions clearly suggest otherwise.

Sorry, I guess I misread some things. I thought someone did infact bash christianity. I agree though, about the hypocrisy. However, for every "bad" christian, I bet there are a few or more "good" ones.

Anyway..why start a thread about this anyway? Many people, in every religion, do the same thing the OPs dad does. Christians aren't the only ones guilty.

So you are saying not ALL chrisians are holier than thou bible thumpers who hate moe than they could EVER love, well, prove it. From what i have seen so far, religion is just used ot further you OWN agena no matter how silly it is.

That goes for Islam and chrisianity an religion as a whole.

Yes. How would I go about proving something like that over the net? I am sorry you have such a skewed view of christianity. Yes, many Churches are simply businesses, but there is a lot of good in others and still in some people.

Religion is sometimes actually about faith, believe it or not.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Excelsior
All of you that bash christianity are just as close-minded as the conservative-christians themselves.

I don't think you're bashing Christianity when you comment on those who practice it. It's like calling Islam an evil religion based on the actions of those who claim they practice it. The critisism is of the inherent hypocracy of those who claim to be doing something in the name of faith when their actions clearly suggest otherwise.

Sorry, I guess I misread some things. I thought someone did infact bash christianity. I agree though, about the hypocrisy. However, for every "bad" christian, I bet there are a few or more "good" ones.

Anyway..why start a thread about this anyway? Many people, in every religion, do the same thing the OPs dad does. Christians aren't the only ones guilty.

So you are saying not ALL chrisians are holier than thou bible thumpers who hate moe than they could EVER love, well, prove it. From what i have seen so far, religion is just used ot further you OWN agena no matter how silly it is.

That goes for Islam and chrisianity an religion as a whole.

Yes. How would I go about proving something like that over the net? I am sorry you have such a skewed view of christianity. Yes, many Churches are simply businesses, but there is a lot of good in others and still in some people.

Religion is sometimes actually about faith, believe it or not.

My post was somewhat sarcastic, that is why i said "So you are saying not ALL chrisians are holier than thou bible thumpers".

I am not really arguing against you at all.

What i meant by "prove it" is to live without condemnation of others, not that you should prove anything to me, i don't think you HAVE anything to prove to me. but to live such a life would certainly be in the spirit of christ, don't you agree?

I am no choir boy myself, far from it, so no, there is no way to prove whatever it is you think i wanted you to prove, and there is no reason to even try either.

Finally, to quote Scooter. "respect the man in the ice cream van"

 

[bjc112]

Originally posted by: alchemize
Being a christian doesn't mean being free from sin.

Exactly.

 

[Todd33]

I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.

Religions are crutches and the people who follow them blindly are sheep. Of course God made me, so he said that through me.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Excelsior
All of you that bash christianity are just as close-minded as the conservative-christians themselves.

I don't think you're bashing Christianity when you comment on those who practice it. It's like calling Islam an evil religion based on the actions of those who claim they practice it. The critisism is of the inherent hypocracy of those who claim to be doing something in the name of faith when their actions clearly suggest otherwise.

Sorry, I guess I misread some things. I thought someone did infact bash christianity. I agree though, about the hypocrisy. However, for every "bad" christian, I bet there are a few or more "good" ones.

Anyway..why start a thread about this anyway? Many people, in every religion, do the same thing the OPs dad does. Christians aren't the only ones guilty.

So you are saying not ALL chrisians are holier than thou bible thumpers who hate moe than they could EVER love, well, prove it. From what i have seen so far, religion is just used ot further you OWN agena no matter how silly it is.

That goes for Islam and chrisianity an religion as a whole.

Yes. How would I go about proving something like that over the net? I am sorry you have such a skewed view of christianity. Yes, many Churches are simply businesses, but there is a lot of good in others and still in some people.

Religion is sometimes actually about faith, believe it or not.

My post was somewhat sarcastic, that is why i said "So you are saying not ALL chrisians are holier than thou bible thumpers".

I am not really arguing against you at all.

What i meant by "prove it" is to live without condemnation of others, not that you should prove anything to me, i don't think you HAVE anything to prove to me. but to live such a life would certainly be in the spirit of christ, don't you agree?

I am no choir boy myself, far from it, so no, there is no way to prove whatever it is you think i wanted you to prove, and there is no reason to even try either.

Finally, to quote Scooter. "respect the man in the ice cream van"

Oohhh ok. :beer:

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

My theory is that these christian conservative men will publicly denounce pornography in order to appease their wives, but then secretly relish themselves in it while no one is watching.

we are all frail humans, that you don?t want society to encourage the proliferation of something isn?t a hypocritical view, even if you yourself engage in that action.

I?m sure plenty of coke addicts don?t think it should be legalized.

Maybe if you stopped doing it you would make sense once in a while?

People who see first hand how something can hurt your life in no way means that their view on that thing is without merit, or hypocritical.

It'd only be hypocritical if that addict was holding himself up as an example of perfection in that case.

I?ll grant you that a new perspective would probably exist if he hadn?t seen the dark underbelly of that particular vice, but that doesn?t make his perspective invalid or hypocritical, though he should understand that it won?t be everyone?s exprence.

I?m sure plenty of coke addicts don?t think it should be legalized.

But if they said that you shouldn't do Coke because it's bad for you?

then they would know better than anyone else what kind of life-destructive effects it has, wouldn't they?

Yes. He'd also be a hypocrite. Agree?

LMK - "Crap! I got my ass handed to me again. I'd better just hightail it out of here."
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