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Andyb23

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Originally posted by: tweakmm
Originally posted by: Andyb23
Originally posted by: tweakmm
Originally posted by: Andyb23
It seems as if this is carrying on and Nintendo is not interested in keeping up. I mean the WII doesn't even have a DVD player and the new formats succeeding the DVD are coming out very quickly.
The Wii is defining a new market place. It's actually quite a brilliant strategy on Nintendo's part.

Nobody says "What of the 3 consoles do I want to get" it's "In addition to the Wii, do I want an Xbox or PS3"
Comparing the three systems as equals is not fair.

Thats an interesting way to put it, but I mean the core 360 is 299.99, only 50 bucks more than the Wii....
The core comes with what again? :laugh:

LOL, point taken
 

KarmaPolice

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Originally posted by: Andyb23
Originally posted by: tweakmm
Originally posted by: Andyb23
Originally posted by: tweakmm
Originally posted by: Andyb23
It seems as if this is carrying on and Nintendo is not interested in keeping up. I mean the WII doesn't even have a DVD player and the new formats succeeding the DVD are coming out very quickly.
The Wii is defining a new market place. It's actually quite a brilliant strategy on Nintendo's part.

Nobody says "What of the 3 consoles do I want to get" it's "In addition to the Wii, do I want an Xbox or PS3"
Comparing the three systems as equals is not fair.

Thats an interesting way to put it, but I mean the core 360 is 299.99, only 50 bucks more than the Wii....
The core comes with what again? :laugh:

LOL, point taken

doesnt matter you still get a lot more with the system power wise..if you look at it from a hardware basis you get the better deal

the full xbox is not that expensive anymore either...

buy whatever you want but i think the xbox is the best right now.
 

thescreensavers

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Originally posted by: tweakmm
Good graphics do not a good game make.

Exactly what I have been trying to tell every one at school there like the wiis gay Sh!ty graphics and sh!ty games I am like I like the games for Nintendo ever since I got a N64.
The Wii Graphics are plenty good. Really If you want blazing graphics I suggest you get a computer. Most of us here probably like the Wii better then the xbox or the ps3. We got the Good graphics on or desktops and we paid alot fro our Cards so Why not we get a Wii which is half as much as the 360.
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: KarmaPolice
Originally posted by: Andyb23
Originally posted by: tweakmm
Originally posted by: Andyb23
Originally posted by: tweakmm
Originally posted by: Andyb23
It seems as if this is carrying on and Nintendo is not interested in keeping up. I mean the WII doesn't even have a DVD player and the new formats succeeding the DVD are coming out very quickly.
The Wii is defining a new market place. It's actually quite a brilliant strategy on Nintendo's part.

Nobody says "What of the 3 consoles do I want to get" it's "In addition to the Wii, do I want an Xbox or PS3"
Comparing the three systems as equals is not fair.

Thats an interesting way to put it, but I mean the core 360 is 299.99, only 50 bucks more than the Wii....
The core comes with what again? :laugh:

LOL, point taken

doesnt matter you still get a lot more with the system power wise..if you look at it from a hardware basis you get the better deal

the full xbox is not that expensive anymore either...

buy whatever you want but i think the xbox is the best right now.

360 is a great system and a good value... I'll get one as soon as they fix the heat issues and I can get the premium for $300 (which I could now, but they haven't fixed the heat issues). Microsoft is right, the 360 and Wii complement each other well. Historically there has only been room for two major players in the console system game. Hopefully this time around it's Microsoft and Nintendo. :)
 

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Originally posted by: Andyb23 I mean the WII doesn't even have a DVD player and the new formats succeeding the DVD are coming out very quickly.


Which is why it doesnt have a DVD player.
 

GundamSonicZeroX

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I realised something, the notorious games that had graphics problems such as low FPS and artifacts are amde for consoles that were meant to take gaming to the bleeding edge (ie. PS2). Even though the Wii doesn't have that image, I'm afraid some devs will push it a little too far.
I guess basically, I'm kinda concerned that the console will have too much on its plate later this generation. Oh well I guess.
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: GundamSonicZeroX
I realised something, the notorious games that had graphics problems such as low FPS and artifacts are amde for consoles that were meant to take gaming to the bleeding edge (ie. PS2). Even though the Wii doesn't have that image, I'm afraid some devs will push it a little too far.
I guess basically, I'm kinda concerned that the console will have too much on its plate later this generation. Oh well I guess.

Of the three consoles last generation, the PS2 was the least powerful I believe (which makes all of the Playstation fanboys' complaints about the underpowered Wii kind of ironic)
 
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Originally posted by: GundamSonicZeroX
I realised something, the notorious games that had graphics problems such as low FPS and artifacts are amde for consoles that were meant to take gaming to the bleeding edge (ie. PS2). Even though the Wii doesn't have that image, I'm afraid some devs will push it a little too far.
I guess basically, I'm kinda concerned that the console will have too much on its plate later this generation. Oh well I guess.

I wouldn't worry. Look at Resident Evil 4 for the GC - that looked pretty damned sweet (apart from the inability to do 480p and 16:9 at the same time ... come on now!).

Take into account that the Wii has the same processor (CPU/GPU) types as the Gamecube, just with more oomph. They don't need to relearn coding tricks - just the new limits of "how much eyecandy can we cram in there before the FPS/fun suffers?" And again, I'll take lousy graphics with great gameplay over the reverse any day.

- M4H
 
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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: GundamSonicZeroX
I realised something, the notorious games that had graphics problems such as low FPS and artifacts are amde for consoles that were meant to take gaming to the bleeding edge (ie. PS2). Even though the Wii doesn't have that image, I'm afraid some devs will push it a little too far.
I guess basically, I'm kinda concerned that the console will have too much on its plate later this generation. Oh well I guess.

Of the three consoles last generation, the PS2 was the least powerful I believe (which makes all of the Playstation fanboys' complaints about the underpowered Wii kind of ironic)

While making generalisations like that is inviting fanboy frothing, I'd have to agree. The PS2 was technically impressive, but putting all that hardware to good use was difficult compared to the GameCube and Xbox. Even the Dreamcast had a leg up on it in a few areas.

- M4H
 

BD2003

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Originally posted by: KarmaPolice
Originally posted by: Andyb23
Originally posted by: tweakmm
Originally posted by: Andyb23
Originally posted by: tweakmm
Originally posted by: Andyb23
It seems as if this is carrying on and Nintendo is not interested in keeping up. I mean the WII doesn't even have a DVD player and the new formats succeeding the DVD are coming out very quickly.
The Wii is defining a new market place. It's actually quite a brilliant strategy on Nintendo's part.

Nobody says "What of the 3 consoles do I want to get" it's "In addition to the Wii, do I want an Xbox or PS3"
Comparing the three systems as equals is not fair.

Thats an interesting way to put it, but I mean the core 360 is 299.99, only 50 bucks more than the Wii....
The core comes with what again? :laugh:

LOL, point taken

doesnt matter you still get a lot more with the system power wise..if you look at it from a hardware basis you get the better deal

the full xbox is not that expensive anymore either...

buy whatever you want but i think the xbox is the best right now.

Comparing the amount of power in a console vs. how much it costs is silly. All that matters is how much enjoyment you get back from you money. 360 still needs a better library of games. It was winning by default up until now - it's not really competing with the Wii, but in a year or so, the PS3 will probably be giving it some problems, if they can follow through and pull together their big franchises like FF, GT and MGS.

If they dropped the premium to $300, I'd prob pick one up though. If they ported XBMC over to it, not this hack media extender crap, that could natively play HD files, I'd buy one in a hot second. If there was ever a time MS should just suck it up and let the open source kids have at it, this is it. XBMC would be such a massive system seller.

Of the three consoles last generation, the PS2 was the least powerful I believe (which makes all of the Playstation fanboys' complaints about the underpowered Wii kind of ironic)

The PS2 was underpowered by a small margin, although AFAIK it had the highest floating point performance. Compared to the 360 and PS3, the Wii is underpowered by a mile.

But it's just so damn fun to play, I couldnt care less about the hardware inside.

I realised something, the notorious games that had graphics problems such as low FPS and artifacts are amde for consoles that were meant to take gaming to the bleeding edge (ie. PS2). Even though the Wii doesn't have that image, I'm afraid some devs will push it a little too far.
I guess basically, I'm kinda concerned that the console will have too much on its plate later this generation. Oh well I guess.

I doubt that will happen, because they won't try to compete on graphics in the first place. But a few years from now, once they really start to push the limits of the Wiimote, I'm sure we'll see some incredible stuff that the other systems just don't have the hardware to even try in the first place. It's already like that to a degree, but I'm sure itll be even more apparent in a year or two. I'd expect new Wii Sports editions to come out regularly. Wii hockey would be interesting. :p
 

bleeb

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Your logic is seriously flawed. Nintendo produces the BEST games (arguably)... Xcrap 360 and PS3 (Piece of Sh*t 3) all have to have fancy graphics to compensate. Plus they are charging an arm and a leg... seems like everyone is trying to sell PS3 rather than actually play and enjoy them.
 

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Wii is the future with the new controller.

My son will not become a phat veggie sitting on the couch....

he will be hacking and fighting
building hand and eye cordination for the real world

I think it will be a great success.

I was number 16 on the line to get them and they only had 16 :(
 

EKKC

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Originally posted by: BD2003
If they dropped the premium to $300, I'd prob pick one up though. If they ported XBMC over to it, not this hack media extender crap, that could natively play HD files, I'd buy one in a hot second. If there was ever a time MS should just suck it up and let the open source kids have at it, this is it. XBMC would be such a massive system seller.

QFT
i just bought 2 xbox1's for friends to help them setup XBMC. it's the best
too bad for lack of HD. the xbox intel processor simply cannot handle any HD movies (720, 1080). i wish there's an upgrade for the little processor in there ;)
 

Thraxen

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Hasn't seemed to hurt the DS vs the PSP. Although it's a different (but related) market, the situation is similar. The PSP is capable of much flashier 3D graphics, higher resolution screen, and it plays movies/music... but the DS has a unique control scheme with the touch screen and dual screen set-up. Sounds a lot like the PS3/Xbox vs Wii. Yet the DS continues to easily outsell the PSP.

No, I don't really expect the same outcome with the home consoles, but I also don't think consumers are going to ditch the system simply because the graphics aren't as flashy. As long as Nintendo can get good games out that play to the strengths of the Wii (i.e. Wiimote) it will do fine.
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: bleeb
Your logic is seriously flawed. Nintendo produces the BEST games (arguably)...

You're going to get a lot of disagreement from people who can't see past cartoonish graphics and enjoy a good game. ;)

Xcrap 360 and PS3 (Piece of Sh*t 3) all have to have fancy graphics to compensate. Plus they are charging an arm and a leg... seems like everyone is trying to sell PS3 rather than actually play and enjoy them.

There were a lot of great gameso n the Xbox and PS2 (GTA series is the first that comes to mind), and I don't doubt the same will be true again. Only question is whether some of those popular franchises will be available on the Wii this time around.
 

dxkj

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Originally posted by: RichUK
A console is always only as good as its games.

The game is the majority of the time, only as good as its game play.

Therefore the high graphical content of a game, is not what satisfies the end user.


This is the ideology which the Wii had already been created around. The target audience differs in this respect when put up against the PS3 and 360.

I sold my 360 after 10 months of ownership, solely because every single game I bought, I was bored of in less than 30 minutes.

The high user interaction is the Wii?s main selling point, not its graphical processing power.


I agree, Imagine how many stupid games we have played and still play because they are fun even though their graphics suck
 
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Originally posted by: EKKC
Originally posted by: BD2003
If they dropped the premium to $300, I'd prob pick one up though. If they ported XBMC over to it, not this hack media extender crap, that could natively play HD files, I'd buy one in a hot second. If there was ever a time MS should just suck it up and let the open source kids have at it, this is it. XBMC would be such a massive system seller.

QFT
i just bought 2 xbox1's for friends to help them setup XBMC. it's the best
too bad for lack of HD. the xbox intel processor simply cannot handle any HD movies (720, 1080). i wish there's an upgrade for the little processor in there ;)

There is an upgrade, but it involves desoldering the old one and soldering the new one in. :p

- M4H
 

InlineFive

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What are you talking about? I am playing Twilight Princess on an old, beater Gamecube and I still think it looks great (although no comparison to GoW). But what really puts the icing on the cake and makes it worth it? The gameplay!
 

SirChadwick

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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: bleeb
Your logic is seriously flawed. Nintendo produces the BEST games (arguably)...

You're going to get a lot of disagreement from people who can't see past cartoonish graphics and enjoy a good game. ;)

Xcrap 360 and PS3 (Piece of Sh*t 3) all have to have fancy graphics to compensate. Plus they are charging an arm and a leg... seems like everyone is trying to sell PS3 rather than actually play and enjoy them.

There were a lot of great gameso n the Xbox and PS2 (GTA series is the first that comes to mind), and I don't doubt the same will be true again. Only question is whether some of those popular franchises will be available on the Wii this time around.


Mario, Zelda, and Metroid do it for me.
 

spikespiegal

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Xcrap 360 and PS3 (Piece of Sh*t 3) all have to have fancy graphics to compensate

Have by chance heard of Gears of War? The train sequence at the end may be the single best sequence in terms of game graphics and interplay I've ever seen. This would not work reduced to the hardware levels of the Wii. I'm guessing you prefer to play Mario Kart with 7yr olds instead.

Then again the Wii doesn't want to comepte with games like this, and Nintendo has done a marvelous job with the market they are selling software and hardware to. I've always felt Nintendo games are perfect for their medium while I've seen many Xbox and PS2/3 titles look like utter garbage.

The problem though, and the one issue I don't think that has been addressed is the lack of Hi-Def support with the Wii. Maybe you like playing VHS resolution games on your $2,000 LCD - I don't, and it's the reason I won't buy a Wii.
 

dr150

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Originally posted by: Banzai042
Originally posted by: Andyb23
Zelda still looks bad. It looks like an upgraded Gamecube game.

Most of the people 20-40 who watch ESPN, like Mature games and have a girlfriend are going to stay away from the Wii.

I think its a great console for kids, but the fact that it does not support HD, advanced audio, or anything modern is just pathetic IMO.


Well, considering that it actually was a GC game for most of the dev cycle I'm not all that suprised that it looks like an upgraded GC game.
As for the target audience, think about this, even though guys like the offerings of the 360 and the ps3 i've pretty universally heard "well normally i don't like video games, but i love thw wii" from every girl i know of that's encountered it. Not to mention that from everything i've heard there are some pretty good games out for the wii right now.
Just because nintendo has a different idea about a game console from you doesn't make it pathetic


It's all about the girls riiiight? ;)
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: spikespiegal
I'm guessing you prefer to play Mario Kart with 7yr olds instead.

Do you have to resort to this tripe? Mario Kart is fun for all ages. There's no need to belittle people by implicitly comparing them to children.