Muslims are out of control

[Hayabusa Rider]

Rather, hate-mongering bigots say so by posting fraudulent translations of Islamic texts, much the same as the many slanderous misrepresentations of Jewish texts which one can also find around the internet.

Perhaps those who committed this attack are the ones you should address. It seems that these Muslims are all to glad to embrace the fraudulent translations, and more than that, act on them.

 

[Lemon law]

Lets look at the woolfe9999 assertion, "What is so hard to understand is how you can't condemn an act against Jews in a European country without blaming Israel for it. The people who perpetrated this violence chose to do so; they chose to translate hatred of Israel in anti-semitism; their parents chose to teach them anti-semitism. Israel did not force them to do these things."

The bottom line denial is mainly contained in, Israel did not force them to do such things.

If so, how come why fort did Israel choose to play jack booted thugs on the high seas on Turkish ships? After all, no one forced Israel to do so in its continuing efforts to practice practice religious, racial, and inhumane discrimination against the residents of Gaza. And moreover, the antisemitism in Germany did not occur until after Israel threw the first stone.

Woolfe, you are still confused, once more than one form of discrimination is systematically practiced, we get more of counter discrimination. And your delusion is that Israel gets a free pass without the consequences.

WHY NOT REDUCE ALL FORMS OF RELIGIOUS DISCRIMINATION INSTEAD?

If we want to end religious and racial discrimination?

 

[kylebisme]

Why can't we just admit that racial and religious discrimination in any form is rotten.

It seems many people here can't even admit that you acknowledge such facts, let alone acknowledge as much themselves.

 

[woolfe9999]

And moreover, the antisemitism in Germany did not occur until after Israel threw the first stone.

So, let's be clear on your position here. You do or do NOT blame Israel for the violent acts of anti-semitic Muslims in Germany against German Jews? Yes or no?

- wolf

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

It seems many people here can't even admit that you acknowledge such facts, let alone acknowledge as much themselves.

We acknowledge that. It's the rest of the crap which removes any semblance of sincerity on his point, and therefore causes the mocking it earns.

 

[kylebisme]

Perhaps those who committed this attack are the ones you should address.

I did address Zebo for his bigoted attack on Muslims here, and if you can give me the some email addresses or such of the goons who threw the rocks, I'd be happy to confront them on their bigotry too. However, you'd rather I only criticize the bigotry of people who aren't even named, let alone here, and simply ignore Zebo's bigotry, eh?

 

[Freshgeardude]

Lets look at the woolfe9999 assertion, "What is so hard to understand is how you can't condemn an act against Jews in a European country without blaming Israel for it. The people who perpetrated this violence chose to do so; they chose to translate hatred of Israel in anti-semitism; their parents chose to teach them anti-semitism. Israel did not force them to do these things."

The bottom line denial is mainly contained in, Israel did not force them to do such things.

If so, how come why fort did Israel choose to play jack booted thugs on the high seas on Turkish ships? After all, no one forced Israel to do so in its continuing efforts to practice practice religious, racial, and inhumane discrimination against the residents of Gaza. And moreover, the antisemitism in Germany did not occur until after Israel threw the first stone.

Woolfe, you are still confused, once more than one form of discrimination is systematically practiced, we get more of counter discrimination. And your delusion is that Israel gets a free pass without the consequences.

WHY NOT REDUCE ALL FORMS OF RELIGIOUS DISCRIMINATION INSTEAD?

If we want to end religious and racial discrimination?

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now your a holocaust denier?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I did address Zebo for his bigoted attack on Muslims here, and if you can give me the some email addresses or such of the goons who threw the rocks, I'd be happy to confront them on their bigotry too. However, you'd rather I only criticize the bigotry of people who aren't even named, let alone here, and simply ignore Zebo's bigotry, eh?

I would disagree that Muslims are inherently violent, however Lemon Laws diversion strikes a familiar cord. That every issue has the same immediacy or illicit the same actual harm isn't something I see. If that were the case then most of the world would immediately die, because someone somewhere certainly hates whatever group you represent in their minds.

BTW I've called people including Zebo on their ideas of people automatically being evil because of the religion they choose. If that's not what's meant it oft times seems that way.


Nevertheless the topic at hand isn't just ignorance, but ignorance associated with immediate harm. If Zebo or another member were to gather stones and hurl them at Muslims because they are hated I'd find that as intolerable.

The point of it is that while there is much ignorance in the world, these people who say they are Muslims do not seem to have more knowledge than any poster here. They use their understanding if Islam to harm others.

If Muslims are to gain respect then they as a community need to come down hard on people like these, and frankly I'm not inclined to give sympathy to the animals who did this because the Palestinians and Israeli's don't get along.

 

[Lemon law]

So, let's be clear on your position here. You do or do NOT blame Israel for the violent acts of anti-semitic Muslims in Germany against German Jews? Yes or no?

- wolf

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No, woolfe9999, I accept neither of your choices, discrimination is any form is wrong, and I am simply saying if you accept one form of discrimination be prepared, as a human nature an emotion is as valid as a fact, that an opposite and equal reaction discrimination events will occur elsewhere. I never said its right to have the religious discrimination occur, I am simply saying one kind of religious discrimination will cause another. The fact that I understand human nature and you don't is what separates the men from the the pro Israeli fan clubber boys on this forum.

In the USA we have this saying, what goes around comes around.

And in closing, I just wish to say, I don't want to sound anti Israeli, all sides in this mid-east cluster fuck have been wrong wrong and wrong, now what are we going to do now now and now to fix it?

But in my understanding of human nature is no implicit endorsement that I endorse crass human nature.

 

[kylebisme]

...Lemon Laws diversion strikes a familiar cord. That every issue has the same immediacy or illicit the same actual harm isn't something I see.

Neither LL nor anyone else here suggested anything of the sort.

If Muslims are to gain respect then they as a community need to come down hard on people like these...

Do you suggest that Christians and Jews also are undeserving of respect until they come down hard on people like these and these? After all, they kill far more of people who they hold religious hatred towards than the other way around. I contend all such people deserve no respect, nor the many who cheer them on, but that shouldn't be stereotyped onto their coreligionists to disrespect them as a whole.

Also, I'm curious, if instead of Zebo posting a link to misrepresentations of Qur'an to slander Muslims, someone had posted some misrepresentations of Talmud to slander Jews (like the example debunked in this book) as can be found on other hate-sites around the internet; surely you wouldn't have taken issue with me for calling out such bigotry, eh?

 

[Babbles]

When shit like this happens - and it's happening all over Europe and elsewhere - you really can't be shocked that Jewish people may be somewhat paranoid and/or sensitive to potentially anti-semitic activities.

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

Do you also suggest that Christians and Jews also are undeserving of respect until they come down hard on people like these and these? After all, they kill far more of people they hold religious hatred towards than the other way around. I contend all such people deserve no respect, but that shouldn't be stereotyped onto their coreligionists to disrespect them as a whole.

Yes. Well, they deserve respect for other aspects of their lives, if they deserve such. Just not for their religion.

 

[kylebisme]

If they could come to respect the tenets of their religions, they'd stop causing such problems, so you can't rightly blame the religions.

 

[bfdd]

I see people saying Israel threw the first stone, but I don't remember reading anything about Israel having any part of this incident in Germany. The Jews that were attacked were German NOT Israeli, the attack happened IN Germany NOT Israel or any of the Palestinian areas, the attack was NOT instigated by Israel well because they had NOTHING TO DO WITH IT, so what does Israel have to do with this situation again? Why would you throw stones at Catholics in the USA for something Catholics did in the Vatican? Why would you throw stones at Muslims in the USA for something Muslims did in Saudi Arabia? You wouldn't. The only reason you would is because you hate what they are, not who they are and that is bigotry. Looks like a case of Anti-Semitism from a group of German Muslim(immigrants?).

 

[kylebisme]

It could have been that the dance group was attempting to promote cultural appeal to whitewash the injustices Israel perpetuates on Palestinians which enraged the rock throwers, as that is a popular method of propaganda amongst Zionists. Granted, that doesn't excuse the violent reaction by any stretch, and rather such propaganda efforts are rightly protested like this.

 

[bfdd]

It could have been that the dance group was attempting to promote cultural appeal to whitewash the injustices Israel perpetuates on Palestinians which enraged the rock throwers, as that is a popular method of propaganda amongst Zionists. Granted, that doesn't excuse the violent reaction by any stretch, and rather such propaganda efforts are rightly protested like this.

So fuck it don't even give them a chance. Just throw rocks at them because they MIGHT attempt to promote a "cultural appeal to whitewash the injustices Israel perpetuates." That's good enough right? I should start throwing rocks at everyone I think might do something I disagree with, instead of you know letting them actually do the thing I disagree with first. Thought crimes are awesome.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Neither LL nor anyone else here suggested anything of the sort

Well yeah he did by bringing something which those attacked had no part, and it's pretty clear that you do too.

Fortunately we can read.

As far as any US soldier who kills someone because he has a different religion he doesn't deserve scorn, he deserves punishment. Same for the Israelis.

Now considering that whole armies and nations are officially Islamic, when they kill because of their religion, what should be done with them?

 

[kylebisme]

Just throw rocks at them because they MIGHT attempt to promote a "cultural appeal to whitewash the injustices Israel perpetuates."

Again:

...that doesn't excuse the violent reaction by any stretch, and rather such propaganda efforts are rightly protested like this.

Understood?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

It could have been that the dance group was attempting to promote cultural appeal to whitewash the injustices Israel perpetuates on Palestinians which enraged the rock throwers, as that is a popular method of propaganda amongst Zionists. Granted, that doesn't excuse the violent reaction by any stretch, and rather such propaganda efforts are rightly protested like this.

Yes, the attacks on the people seems more understandable. We should not judge them too harshly. After all we in America enraged too and it's completely understandable if we hang some gays which might have been molesting children. They should be more understanding.

I could run with that absurd comment just like you do with "promoting cultural appeal" and I'd be called on it in a minute, and should be.

I'm done with you because I forgot who you were for a bit and hadn't realized what you were.

Adios.

 

[CanOWorms]

They're integrating into German society.

 

[kylebisme]

Well yeah he did by bringing something which those attacked had no part, and it's pretty clear that you do too.

No, you are lost in your own fog there, and not comprehneding what either LL or I have said here at all.

As far as any US soldier who kills someone because he has a different religion he doesn't deserve scorn, he deserves punishment. Same for the Israelis.

Yet there is rarely much of either, and rather some get rich of off it.

Now considering that whole armies and nations are officially Islamic, when they kill because of their religion, what should be done with them?

I say it should be the same regardless of if attacks are motivated by religious or secular reasons. What did you have in mind?

And I'm still curious, if instead of Zebo posting a link to misrepresentations of Qur'an to slander Muslims, someone had posted some misrepresentations of Talmud to slander Jews (like the example debunked in this book) as can be found on other hate-sites around the internet; surely you wouldn't have taken issue with me for calling out such bigotry, eh?

 

[bfdd]

Again:

Understood?

That's not what I mean kyle. I'm saying what the fuck does Israel have to do with any of this? The answer is nothing. Anyone who even brings Israel up in this context is only doing so to justify their anti-Semitism. This is coming from someone who doesn't equate anti-Israel with anti-Semitism.

 

[kylebisme]

Tell me, do you understand what Israel has to do with this?

 

[bfdd]

Tell me, do you understand what Israel has to do with this?

What does that have to do with the op? I'm not talking about that nor do I care about that, that is a topic for another thread. I'm talking SPECIFICALLY about the article and topic the OP brought up. What does it have to do with Israel. If it has nothing to do with Israel stop fucking talking about Israel. I don't talk about the goddamn Bengals when in a conversation about Yankees vs Red Sox.

 

[OCGuy]

Yes, yes they are.