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woolfe9999

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No, woolfe9999, I accept neither of your choices, discrimination is any form is wrong, and I am simply saying if you accept one form of discrimination be prepared, as a human nature an emotion is as valid as a fact, that an opposite and equal reaction discrimination events will occur elsewhere. I never said its right to have the religious discrimination occur, I am simply saying one kind of religious discrimination will cause another. The fact that I understand human nature and you don't is what separates the men from the the pro Israeli fan clubber boys on this forum.

In the USA we have this saying, what goes around comes around.

And in closing, I just wish to say, I don't want to sound anti Israeli, all sides in this mid-east cluster fuck have been wrong wrong and wrong, now what are we going to do now now and now to fix it?

But in my understanding of human nature is no implicit endorsement that I endorse crass human nature.

You don't want to "sound anti-Israel?" That has to be one of the most hilarious comments I've read on this forum in ages. You're like the guy with white powder on his moustache and a perpetual nosebleed who walks around saying, "you know, I don't want to come across as some sort of cokehead." Here's a little clue for you: your bias is quite embarrassingly obvious, and your rather threadbare attempts to conceal it are more pitiable than anything else.

Oh, you had a point. Yes, everything is "connected." I get that. They call it "causation." When a butterfly flaps its wings in Central Park, there will be torrential rains in Peru. Or hows about this one? Say a group of Muslims does something like, oh, blowing up a building and killing lots of people. Then unrelated Muslims thousands of miles away have the windows of their shops broken by bricks. Would the proper reaction then be NOT to forthrightly condemn the window breaking, but instead, to say, "you know, those Muslims who blew up that building thousands of miles away should have known how much shit they were bringing down on their co-religionists. What comes around goes around! Oh, and by the way, for good measure: all racism is bad."

Anyway, yes there is cause and effect. But that never excuses personal responsibility, which is exactly what you have done here. You approach a blatant, totally unjustfiied act of violent bigotry by INSTEAD talking about what you claim are bad acts of the co-religionists of the victims, and your sole condemnation of the actual act is weasel words: the vague, general "yeah all racism is bad." Nobody buys into insincere crap like that. When you can't condemn an anti-semitic act without finding an excuse to bash Israel, it's quite clear what you are about and what your agenda is.

- wolf
 

JS80

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Wait so they say Israel doesn't have a right to exist, and people like Helen Thomas say Jews should go back to Germany and Poland, yet in Europe they get stoned. So what they are really saying is Jews shouldn't exist?
 

mrjminer

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you don't want to "sound anti-israel?" that has to be one of the most hilarious comments i've read on this forum in ages. You're like the guy with white powder on his moustache and a perpetual nosebleed who walks around saying, "you know, i don't want to come across as some sort of cokehead." here's a little clue for you: Your bias is quite embarrassingly obvious, and your rather threadbare attempts to conceal it are more pitiable than anything else.

Oh, you had a point. Yes, everything is "connected." i get that. They call it "causation." when a butterfly flaps its wings in central park, there will be torrential rains in peru. Or hows about this one? Say a group of muslims does something like, oh, blowing up a building and killing lots of people. Then unrelated muslims thousands of miles away have the windows of their shops broken by bricks. Would the proper reaction then be not to forthrightly condemn the window breaking, but instead, to say, "you know, those muslims who blew up that building thousands of miles away should have known how much shit they were bringing down on their co-religionists. What comes around goes around! Oh, and by the way, for good measure: All racism is bad."

anyway, yes there is cause and effect. But that never excuses personal responsibility, which is exactly what you have done here. You approach a blatant, totally unjustfiied act of violent bigotry by instead talking about what you claim are bad acts of the co-religionists of the victims, and your sole condemnation of the actual act is weasel words: The vague, general "yeah all racism is bad." nobody buys into insincere crap like that. When you can't condemn an anti-semitic act without finding an excuse to bash israel, it's quite clear what you are about and what your agenda is.

- wolf

victor!
 

bfdd

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If you'd first be so kind as to answer my question, I'd be happily reciprocate by answering yours.

I'm not answering your question because it doesn't pertain to ANYTHING I've talked about. I never talked about THAT situation, I'm talking about THIS situation. There's a big fucking difference and the fact you are avoiding tells me you aren't up for any sort of real debate. I do not give a flying fuck about the link you posted because it is off topic.
 

kylebisme

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You aren't answering the question because you are too intellectually dishonest to engage in rational discourse.
 

Craig234

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I'm not sure what throwing rocks at a bunch of dancers will do but this is crazy and sad.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/europe/10406344.stm

Thanks for educating us what a billion Muslims are like with this story about a few.

Thousands of such stories over years always looking to fit a stereotype should help people dehumanize and hate them as a group nicely, making war at least easy, if not inevitable.

That's how propaganda and stereotyping works.

Hey, did the millions of Muslims in the US - or other countries - generally do this too? You will report on their behavior too, right? This isn't news, it's hate speech to selectively report.
 

Zebo

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I never thought Lemon law would dive into this thread and apologize for the offenders.

Never

He probably rather be slapping women around and hanging gays from cranes but posting on AT will have to do for now.
 

bfdd

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You aren't answering the question because you are too intellectually dishonest to engage in rational discourse.

Because this thread has a topic which the OP presented. It was about some Jewish dance group in Germany being stoned by Muslims in Germany. What does that have ANYTHING to do with the link you're posting? Where have I even commented on the link you're posting besides when you asked me to answer your question. Also, what the fuck is this "intellectually dishonest" bull shit? I'm wondering why you guys are bringing up Israel when it has NOTHING to do with this. You guys are using Israel to justify hateful actions against Jews, you are the ones being intellectually dishonest with your chosen ignorance of goddamn near everything.

Why am I even arguing with you? You believe 9/11 was a gubment conspiracy.
 

dahunan

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Wait so they say Israel doesn't have a right to exist, and people like Helen Thomas say Jews should go back to Germany and Poland, yet in Europe they get stoned. So what they are really saying is Jews shouldn't exist?

please don't be whining..

No, Israel should not exist.

Jewish people just like us poor little Gentiles... need to live together with everyone else..

You did read how the first UN peacekeeper was MURDERED by Jewish Terrorists.. right? [FONT=Callisto MT,Georgia,Book Antiqua,Palatino,Times New Roman,Serif]Yitzhak Shamir = TERRORIST[/FONT]

can you deny that

Gandhi called an anti-semite by Jewish people back then and still today in this very forum

Did the stealers of Israel give a damn about murdering neighboring Palestinians and then promoting those murderers to positions of power and leadership?
Menachem Begin = Terrorist


Notable Attacks:



The Irgun, a Zionist militia, carried out these attacks while it was under Begin's command:

  • February 1944: Bombing of the immigration offices run by the British authorities. Three simultaneous attacks carried out against office branches in Jerusalem, Tel Aviv and Haifa symbolized the anger of the Irgun over the British policy of restricting Jewish immigration. There were no casualties.
  • July 1946: The King David Hotel explosion. The Jerusalem luxury hotel was serving as the home of the British military command and government administration. The strike leveled the building and killed 91 people.
surely there must be more


[FONT=Callisto MT,Georgia,Book Antiqua,Palatino,Times New Roman,Serif]Ariel Sharon initiated the Sabra-Shatila massacre = TERRORIST[/FONT]
 

Moonbeam

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Peace has never existed in the history of the planet....such is the nature of man. Put your blame where it is due.

You say it is the nature of man as if you knew something about the nature of man. People have no idea about the nature of man and the reason they don't is because they think they do. Nobody ever questions what they think they already know. And why is it the nature of man that there has never been peace? Just his nature, I guess. Amazing how what we don't know we assume to be natural. Must be, no, because if we can't explain it, then it can't be explained. No chance in hell we could actually be ignorant.

By the way, from somebody who knows nothing, I can assure you that the nature of man is quite peaceful. Violence and hate are learned by being exposed to them.
 

Moonbeam

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It's not just the nature of man. Chimpanzees, for example, wage war as well: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE65K48G20100621

"While chimpanzees are the closest living relatives of human beings, Mitani is unsure if the warlike behavior sheds light on human warfare. "Warfare in the human sense occurs for lots of different reasons," he said. "I'm just not convinced we're talking about the same thing.""

But you know better.
 

Vic

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A couple teenage hoodlums in Germany throw some rocks and a whole 1 billion people are out of control? Exactly how the fuck does anyone become stupid enough to argue that kind of logic?
 

bfdd

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"While chimpanzees are the closest living relatives of human beings, Mitani is unsure if the warlike behavior sheds light on human warfare. "Warfare in the human sense occurs for lots of different reasons," he said. "I'm just not convinced we're talking about the same thing.""

But you know better.

Chimps go to war over territory and females. Various other animals do to, hell ants war all the time for the same reasons we go to war. War isn't some human creation, we just defined it.
 

Lanyap

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Yea, those lunatics at the baptist church down the street are always out burning down buildings, murdering people around the neighborhood, and ...oh ...wait


Didn't they stone some muslim dancers last year?
 

DivideBYZero

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Just kids being pricks, it happens all over the world a million times a day. Both sides are using sterotypes to score points or wind up the other side, whether during the attack (the kids) or after the event (the dancers).

Good job blowing it all out of proportion and claiming all muslims are fucked because some punk kids threw stones and called names. You even did it yourself to the fat kids/blacks/poor kids/rich kids/band camp kids, etc when you were young.
 

Freshgeardude

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Just kids being pricks, it happens all over the world a million times a day. Both sides are using sterotypes to score points or wind up the other side, whether during the attack (the kids) or after the event (the dancers).

Good job blowing it all out of proportion and claiming all muslims are fucked because some punk kids threw stones and called names. You even did it yourself to the fat kids/blacks/poor kids/rich kids/band camp kids, etc when you were young.


except this hasnt been the first, nor the last time something with the exact scenario will happen again.


this is the reason what you may think as "going out of proportion" is correct in our minds.
 

DivideBYZero

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except this hasnt been the first, nor the last time something with the exact scenario will happen again.


this is the reason what you may think as "going out of proportion" is correct in our minds.

Grow up. This is life. People piss other people off for lulz or a thousand other reasons every day, yet the racist motherfuckers in the world or those groups with the political desire to oppress others will claim idiotic acts as some kind of evidence of a Zeitgiest within the group they hate or want to attack.

If you can't or don't want to see that, that's your problem.
 
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DucatiMonster696

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Grow up. This is life. People piss other people off for lulz or a thousand other reasons every day, yet the racist motherfuckers in the world or those groups with the political desire to oppress others will claim idiotic acts as some kind of evidence of a Zeitgiest within the group they hate or want to attack.

If you can't or don't want to see that, that's your problem.

Interesting dismissive fallacy angle you have going there to attempt to justify a hate filled act.
 

DivideBYZero

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Interesting dismissive fallacy angle you have going there to attempt to justify a hate filled act.

Interesting negative spin you're putting onto a clear and valid point I made.

My point: Poeple are douchebags, this individual event is not indicative of a large scale attack on any community, yet is being portrayed as such.

Your Point: I fear Muslims.

Hug a muslim today™.
 

Freshgeardude

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please don't be whining..

No, Israel should not exist.

So where should the jews go then? back to europe?

Jewish people just like us poor little Gentiles... need to live together with everyone else..

HAHAHA the jewish people are WAYYY more accepting then plenty of mainstream religions. When was the last time a gay parade was held in Iran, Afganistan, Iraq, or Saudi Arabia? When in the time of history of israel did women get treated like objects, capable of being sold, and even at very young ages.

When did Israel, a country of holocaust survivors, EVER want to wage war on SEVEN arab countries the DAY after its creation?


when was the last time israelis even used a DEATH PENALTY? Hell, for a lesson in history, it was only used ONCE and that was on a man responsible for the death of 6 million jews AND was responsible for causing one of the largest wars of mankind.

So tell me, how are the "gentiles" living peacefully?


You did read how the first UN peacekeeper was MURDERED by Jewish Terrorists.. right? [FONT=Callisto MT,Georgia,Book Antiqua,Palatino,Times New Roman,Serif]Yitzhak Shamir = TERRORIST[/FONT]


can you deny that

No I do not deny that Jewish Extremists killed a man they felt was too pro arab. I also condemn the actions.

Have I ever seen muslims condemn the actions of extremists? No

Gandhi called an anti-semite by Jewish people back then and still today in this very forum

lol no comment.

Did the stealers of Israel give a damn about murdering neighboring Palestinians and then promoting those murderers to positions of power and leadership?
Menachem Begin = Terrorist

Did the muslims living in the territory known as israel today openly attack LEGAL Jewish settlements and cause the jewish people to create groups such as the Irgun to protect themselves from attack, later to form the Israeli DEFENSE Forces. The same groups which saved the Jewish people from annihilation from seven arab nations attacking a newly, legally created nation, with Less land given to the jews over the arabs? Also, the attacks on jewish settlements isolated the jewish people forcing them to create their own economy, which eventually helped the jewish people from winning the war.




Notable Attacks:



The Irgun, a Zionist militia, carried out these attacks while it was under Begin's command:

  • February 1944: Bombing of the immigration offices run by the British authorities. Three simultaneous attacks carried out against office branches in Jerusalem, Tel Aviv and Haifa symbolized the anger of the Irgun over the British policy of restricting Jewish immigration. There were no casualties.
  • July 1946: The King David Hotel explosion. The Jerusalem luxury hotel was serving as the home of the British military command and government administration. The strike leveled the building and killed 91 people.
surely there must be more


and surely there are, but would you like me to LIST islamic terrorism in this thread?

[FONT=Callisto MT,Georgia,Book Antiqua,Palatino,Times New Roman,Serif]Ariel Sharon initiated the Sabra-Shatila massacre = TERRORIST[/FONT]


Sabra and Shátila massacre (Arabic: مذبحة صبرا وشاتيلا‎ Maḏbaḥat Ṣabrā wa Shātīlā) — or Sabra and Chatila massacre — was a massacre of Palestinian and Lebanese Muslim civilians carried out between 16 and 18 September 1982 by the Kataeb Party, a Christian Lebanese Forces militia group, following the assassination of Phalangist leader and president-elect Bachir Gemayel.
The israelis only came in AFTER their ally was assassinated. You want to call ariel sharon a terrorist for protecting its countries interests, but you wont call an army killing thousands of innocent people in a civil war because they having opposing ideologies terrorists.

Also, mind you the Israelis did not commit any massacre.

look below for the quote

bold are my answers.



Following the assassination of Lebanese Christian President Bashir Gemayel, tensions built as Phalangists called for revenge.
By noon of September 15, the Israeli Defence Force (IDF) had completely surrounded the Sabra-Shatila camps, and controlled all entrances and exits by the means of checkpoints. The IDF also occupied a number of multi-story buildings as observation posts. Amongst those was the seven-story Kuwaiti embassy which, according to TIME magazine, had "an unobstructed and panoramic view" of the camps. Hours later, IDF tanks began shelling the camps.[19]
Ariel Sharon and Chief of Staff Rafael Eitan[21] met with the Lebanese Phalangist militia units, inviting them to enter the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps and telling them the PLO fighters were responsible for the assassination of their leader Bashir Gemayel[22]. Under the Israeli plan, Israeli soldiers would control the perimeters of the refugee camps and provide logistical support while the Phalangists would enter the camps, find the PLO fighters and hand them over to Israeli forces.[citation needed] The meetings concluded at 3:00 p.m. September 16.[19]
An hour later, 1,500 militiamen assembled at Beirut International Airport, then occupied by Israel. Under the command of Elie Hobeika, they began moving towards the camps in IDF supplied Jeeps, following Israeli guidance on how to enter the camps. The forces were mostly Phalangist, though there were some men from Saad Haddad's "Free Lebanon forces".[19]Ariel Sharon, the Phalangists were given "harsh and clear" warnings about harming civilians. According to [20]
The first unit of 150 Phalangists entered the camps at 6:00 p.m. A battle ensued that at times Palestinians claim involved lining up Palestinians for execution.[19] During the night the Israeli forces fired illuminating flares over the camps. According to a Dutch nurse, the camp was as bright as "a sports stadium during a football game".[23]
At 11:00 p.m. a report was sent to the IDF headquarters in East Beirut, reporting the killings of 300 people, including civilians. The report was forwarded to headquarters in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, where it was seen by more than 20 senior Israeli officers.[19]
Further reports of these killings followed through the night. Some of these reports were forwarded to the Israeli government in Jerusalem and were seen by a number of Israeli senior officials.
For the next 36 to 48 hours, the Phalangists massacred the inhabitants of Sabra and Shatila, while Israeli troops guarded the exits and allegedly continued to fire flares at night.
At one point, a militiaman's radioed question to his commander Hobeika about what to do with the women and children in the refugee camp was overheard by an Israeli officer, who heard Hobeika's reply: "This is the last time you're going to ask me a question like that; you know exactly what to do." Phalangist troops could be heard laughing in the background.[20] The Israeli officer reported this to his superior, Brig. Gen. Amos Yaron, who warned Hobeika against hurting civilians but took no further action. Lt. Avi Grabowsky was cited by the Kahan Commission as having seen (on that Friday) the murder of five women and children, and gave a hearsay report of a battalion commander saying of this, "We know, it's not to our liking, and don't interfere." Israeli soldiers surrounding the camps turned back Palestinians fleeing the camps, as filmed by a Visnews cameraman.
Later in the afternoon, a meeting was held between the Israeli Chief of Staff and the Phalangist staff. On Friday morning, the Israelis surrounding the camps ordered the Phalange to halt their operation, concerned about reports of a massacre.[20] According to the Kahan Commission's report (based on a Mossad agent's report), the Chief of Staff concluded that the Phalange should "continue action, mopping up the empty camps south of Fakahani until tomorrow at 5:00 a.m., at which time they must stop their action due to American pressure." He stated that he had "no feeling that something irregular had occurred or was about to occur in the camps." At this meeting, he also agreed to provide the militia with a tractor, supposedly to demolish buildings.
On Friday, September 17, while the camps still were sealed off, a few independent observers managed to enter. Among them were a Norwegian journalist and diplomat Gunnar Flakstad, who observed Phalangists during their cleanup operations, removing dead bodies from destroyed houses in the Shatila camp.[24]
The Phalangists did not exit the camps at 5:00 a.m. on Saturday as ordered. They forced the remaining survivors to march out of the camps, to the stadium for interrogations; this went on for the entire day. The militia finally left the camps at 8:00 a.m. on September 18. The first foreign journalists allowed into the camps at 9:00 a.m. found hundreds of bodies scattered about the camp. The first official news of the massacre was broadcast around noon.
So I do not see you condemning the Phalangists, or even the PLO, but you want to call observers terrorists.

You are such an idiot
 

DivideBYZero

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bold are my answers.




So I do not see you condemning the Phalangists, or even the PLO, but you want to call observers terrorists.

You are such an idiot

What the fuck has any of that drivel got to do with these kids throwing stones at some dancers?
 

DucatiMonster696

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Interesting negative spin you're putting onto a clear and valid point I made.

My point: Poeple are douchebags, this individual event is not indicative of a large scale attack on any community, yet is being portrayed as such.


So these guys throwing stones, yell anti-semitic slurs at these jewish dancers on a megaphone are not indicative of the current climate of radical Islam in Europe and its trend toward violence?

Wow you must think we are all naive here to believe that this was or is somehow just a group of boys gone wild or that communities must wait until there are "large scale attacks" against them to react to hate mongers and their "religion of peace".
 

DivideBYZero

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So these guys throwing stones, yell anti-semitic slurs at these jewish dancers on a megaphone are not indicative of the current climate of radical Islam in Europe and its trend toward violence?

Wow you must think we are all naive here to believe that this was or is somehow just a group of boys gone wild or that communities must wait until there are "large scale attacks" against them to react to hate mongers and their "religion of peace".

*DBZ looks out of window and fails to see radical Islam*

Take a trip to Europe, or just spout uninformed rabble rousing shit. You choose.
 

piasabird

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If they want a riot, then the cops should just open fire and bring out the billie clubs. Since when do we let unruly people control social events?

This just proves that all Muslims are bad people. Is that what muslims want people to believe?