Muslim Woman Jailed For Refusing to Remove Head Scarf in Court (and then cussing at the court)

[Amused]

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
everyones forgotten that america was formed so they could practice their religion without the interferences of government.

Not if your religion violates the law or in this case, the EQUALLY APPLIED rules of the court.

Well thats why they founded this country because in england practicing their religion was against the law so I don't see what you are getting at.

What if my religion says I must kill my wife if she cheats on me?

Should I be allowed to do so because that's what my religion says to do?

Obviously not.

Your rights end where others begin.

If the court has an EQUAL rule that no headgear is allowed, than it applies to ALL not just some.

Because killing your wife violates her rights. Wearing a hat violates no ones.

Obviously the court sees it as disruptive and disprespectful and has applied a rule EQUALLY to all that bans headgear.

The court has that right.

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: Sawyer
Again the people that think this is ok, what about a hat with a big cross on it? Would that be ok, why or why not? And if this was a Christian, do you think the ACLU would be fighting against it?

Depends on the wording of the rule. Presence of cross on hat is irrelevant.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: SagaLore
Actually I think she shouldn't have been asked to remove her head scarf. That isn't some trivial thing for muslim women.

Shush you. There is no place for tolerance in our society.

This has nothing to do with tolerance.

She demanded SPECIAL treatment and the right to break a rule that is applied equally to all. Instead of equal rights, she wanted UNequal rights.

I don't see it as that cut and dry nor do I see this particular rule as worthy of making a stand on. I do not agree with the way the judge handled this at all.

It is entirely about tolerance.

 

[SAWYER]

Why does this Muslim not have tolerance in accepting rules everyone else must abide by?

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
everyones forgotten that america was formed so they could practice their religion without the interferences of government.

Not if your religion violates the law or in this case, the EQUALLY APPLIED rules of the court.

Well thats why they founded this country because in england practicing their religion was against the law so I don't see what you are getting at.

What if my religion says I must kill my wife if she cheats on me?

Should I be allowed to do so because that's what my religion says to do?

Obviously not.

Your rights end where others begin.

If the court has an EQUAL rule that no headgear is allowed, than it applies to ALL not just some.

Because killing your wife violates her rights. Wearing a hat violates no ones.

Obviously the court sees it as disruptive and disprespectful and has applied a rule EQUALLY to all that bans headgear.

The court has that right.

how can a someone in a position as judge be offended by a religious scarf. That should be grounds for dismissal clearly showing they have no judgement at all!

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: SagaLore
Actually I think she shouldn't have been asked to remove her head scarf. That isn't some trivial thing for muslim women.

Shush you. There is no place for tolerance in our society.

This has nothing to do with tolerance.

She demanded SPECIAL treatment and the right to break a rule that is applied equally to all. Instead of equal rights, she wanted UNequal rights.

I don't see it as that cut and dry nor do I see this particular rule as worthy of making a stand on. I do not agree with the way the judge handled this at all.

It is entirely about tolerance.

So the religious deserve special treatment? They get to break rules?

If no one else is allowed headgear, why should she be allowed headgear?

It has nothing to do with intolerance. Nothing at all. It has to do with EQUAL TREATMENT.

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: sdifox

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
everyones forgotten that america was formed so they could practice their religion without the interferences of government.

no one is stopping her from doing that, she is being refused entry to the courtroom and she is not plaintiff nor prosecution, meaning her presence is not required.

Actually as a public courthouse she has the same right to attend any public hearing as anyone else.

True, but your presence is dependant upon the judge's will. His courtroom, he gets to set rules.

The other instances are a lot iffier since they involve plaintiffs in hijab.

2 things happened here

Judge set rule on attending public

woman wants to get in, got refused entry and decides to cuss the court.

The latter landed her in trouble.

 

[SunnyD]

Separation of church and state. If I can't bring my religion into government, you can't bring your government into my religion.

P&N is somewhere not here.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: Sawyer
Why does this Muslim not have tolerance in accepting rules everyone else must abide by?

oh you are a good little sheeple. Just follow the rules do as we say never question.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: sdifox

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
everyones forgotten that america was formed so they could practice their religion without the interferences of government.

no one is stopping her from doing that, she is being refused entry to the courtroom and she is not plaintiff nor prosecution, meaning her presence is not required.

Actually as a public courthouse she has the same right to attend any public hearing as anyone else.

Exactly- just like anyone else. Sans headgear.

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: Amused
Obviously the court sees it as disruptive and disprespectful and has applied a rule EQUALLY to all that bans headgear.

The court has that right.

Do you think that this whole situation of jailing her, media coverage, etc is less disruptive than her wearing headgear?

Regardless of what the rule is, this has caused more problems than the initial issue.

What if the court ruled equally that no one can wear a shirt in the court room?

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: SagaLore
Actually I think she shouldn't have been asked to remove her head scarf. That isn't some trivial thing for muslim women.

Shush you. There is no place for tolerance in our society.

This has nothing to do with tolerance.

She demanded SPECIAL treatment and the right to break a rule that is applied equally to all. Instead of equal rights, she wanted UNequal rights.

I don't see it as that cut and dry nor do I see this particular rule as worthy of making a stand on. I do not agree with the way the judge handled this at all.

It is entirely about tolerance.

So the religious deserve special treatment? They get to break rules?

If no one else is allowed headgear, why should she be allowed headgear?

It has nothing to do with intolerance. Nothing at all. It has to do with EQUAL TREATMENT.

equal treatment in fashion trumps equal treatment in religion I see. ....

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: SunnyD
Separation of church and state. If I can't bring my religion into government, you can't bring your government into my religion.

P&N is somewhere not here.

The separation of church and state prohibits the governmental establishment of a religion, does it not? How is your response relevant at all?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
everyones forgotten that america was formed so they could practice their religion without the interferences of government.

Not if your religion violates the law or in this case, the EQUALLY APPLIED rules of the court.

Well thats why they founded this country because in england practicing their religion was against the law so I don't see what you are getting at.

What if my religion says I must kill my wife if she cheats on me?

Should I be allowed to do so because that's what my religion says to do?

Obviously not.

Your rights end where others begin.

If the court has an EQUAL rule that no headgear is allowed, than it applies to ALL not just some.

Because killing your wife violates her rights. Wearing a hat violates no ones.

Obviously the court sees it as disruptive and disprespectful and has applied a rule EQUALLY to all that bans headgear.

The court has that right.

how can a someone in a position as judge be offended by a religious scarf. That should be grounds for dismissal clearly showing they have no judgement at all!

The rule of no headgear was passed in many courtrooms as a sign of respect and to stop people from wearing disruptive headgear such as gang scarves. Either it applies EQUALLY to all, or it does not.

Yes, we are a country founded on freedom, but we were also founded on the equality of all men under the law.

She wants special treatment, not equal treatment.

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim


how can a someone in a position as judge be offended by a religious scarf. That should be grounds for dismissal clearly showing they have no judgement at all!

Sigh, the prohibition is on headgears. headscarf is a subset of headgears.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: SagaLore
Actually I think she shouldn't have been asked to remove her head scarf. That isn't some trivial thing for muslim women.

Shush you. There is no place for tolerance in our society.

This has nothing to do with tolerance.

She demanded SPECIAL treatment and the right to break a rule that is applied equally to all. Instead of equal rights, she wanted UNequal rights.

I don't see it as that cut and dry nor do I see this particular rule as worthy of making a stand on. I do not agree with the way the judge handled this at all.

It is entirely about tolerance.

So the religious deserve special treatment? They get to break rules?

If no one else is allowed headgear, why should she be allowed headgear?

It has nothing to do with intolerance. Nothing at all. It has to do with EQUAL TREATMENT.

Give it a rest. We don't wear headgear in this country as part of our religion. If we did we probably wouldn't have this rule. You act like letting this slide will lead to total anarchy.

Yes, in this case the religious deserve special treatment...or at the very least a little common courtesy and respect.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: Amused
Obviously the court sees it as disruptive and disprespectful and has applied a rule EQUALLY to all that bans headgear.

The court has that right.

Do you think that this whole situation of jailing her, media coverage, etc is less disruptive than her wearing headgear?

Regardless of what the rule is, this has caused more problems than the initial issue.

What if the court ruled equally that no one can wear a shirt in the court room?

She was NOT jailed for the scarf. She was jailed for cussing at a Bailiff.

But she and the media are trying to portray this as her being jailed for the scarf. Congrats on falling for it.

 

[Insomniator]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: SagaLore
Actually I think she shouldn't have been asked to remove her head scarf. That isn't some trivial thing for muslim women.

Shush you. There is no place for tolerance in our society.

This has nothing to do with tolerance.

She demanded SPECIAL treatment and the right to break a rule that is applied equally to all. Instead of equal rights, she wanted UNequal rights.

I don't see it as that cut and dry nor do I see this particular rule as worthy of making a stand on. I do not agree with the way the judge handled this at all.

It is entirely about tolerance.

So the religious deserve special treatment? They get to break rules?

If no one else is allowed headgear, why should she be allowed headgear?

It has nothing to do with intolerance. Nothing at all. It has to do with EQUAL TREATMENT.

Give it a rest. We don't wear headgear in this country as part of our religion. If we did we probably wouldn't have this rule. You act like letting this slide will lead to total anarchy.

Yes, in this case the religious deserve special treatment.

wow

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: Amused
Obviously the court sees it as disruptive and disprespectful and has applied a rule EQUALLY to all that bans headgear.

The court has that right.

Do you think that this whole situation of jailing her, media coverage, etc is less disruptive than her wearing headgear?

Regardless of what the rule is, this has caused more problems than the initial issue.

What if the court ruled equally that no one can wear a shirt in the court room?

She was NOT jailed for the scarf. She was jailed for cussing at a Bailiff.

But she and the media are trying to portray this as her being jailed for the scarf. Congrats on falling for it.

*looks at thread topic*

Then I guess there is no issue?

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: Amused
Obviously the court sees it as disruptive and disprespectful and has applied a rule EQUALLY to all that bans headgear.

The court has that right.

Do you think that this whole situation of jailing her, media coverage, etc is less disruptive than her wearing headgear?

Regardless of what the rule is, this has caused more problems than the initial issue.

What if the court ruled equally that no one can wear a shirt in the court room?

she got sent to jail not because of her headscarf but because of her cuzzing at the court.

Pretty sure if i show up to the court and insult the power that be in the courtroom I'll get my ass hauled to jail too. Might get beat up too.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: Amused
Obviously the court sees it as disruptive and disprespectful and has applied a rule EQUALLY to all that bans headgear.

The court has that right.

Do you think that this whole situation of jailing her, media coverage, etc is less disruptive than her wearing headgear?

Regardless of what the rule is, this has caused more problems than the initial issue.

What if the court ruled equally that no one can wear a shirt in the court room?

She was NOT jailed for the scarf. She was jailed for cussing at a Bailiff.

But she and the media are trying to portray this as her being jailed for the scarf. Congrats on falling for it.

*looks at thread topic*

Way to go on reading the article.

 

[SAWYER]

"We don't wear headgear in this country as part of our religion"

Who is we? We don't have a unified religion, this woman is American more than likely and she does wear headgear.

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: nkgreen

*looks at thread topic*

Way to go on reading the article.

I'm a busy man.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: SagaLore
Actually I think she shouldn't have been asked to remove her head scarf. That isn't some trivial thing for muslim women.

Shush you. There is no place for tolerance in our society.

This has nothing to do with tolerance.

She demanded SPECIAL treatment and the right to break a rule that is applied equally to all. Instead of equal rights, she wanted UNequal rights.

I don't see it as that cut and dry nor do I see this particular rule as worthy of making a stand on. I do not agree with the way the judge handled this at all.

It is entirely about tolerance.

So the religious deserve special treatment? They get to break rules?

If no one else is allowed headgear, why should she be allowed headgear?

It has nothing to do with intolerance. Nothing at all. It has to do with EQUAL TREATMENT.

Give it a rest. We don't wear headgear in this country as part of our religion. If we did we probably wouldn't have this rule. You act like letting this slide will lead to total anarchy.

Yes, in this case the religious deserve special treatment.

I believe equality of all men means more than special treatment for the religious.

This is our culture. In her culture, would many of our traditions fly in her courts? I think not.

A rule is a rule. Either apply it equally, or not at all.

You don't think religious exceptions lead to anarchy? Ask the prison system.

 

[dbk]

Yeah it sux for that woman but there are millions of muslims in this country and if they can do it, why can't she? She ain't special.