Muslim woman discriminated against on plane

[waggy]

I've gotten the whole can many times, sometimes without even asking on the less full flights. I usually ask now for the whole can and have never been refused.

odd. i have asked and never got one. shrug owhell

 

[dank69]

I can't find the polls on Christian apostasy, do you have them?
Did they poll the third world countries too?

The percentages don't even matter. He is just mad that his exact statement can be applied to Christians and Jews. That's why he is bringing up things irrelevant to my point like how many people want to kill people that leave their cult. The fact remains that there are many violent portions of the Bible, many Christians and Jews ignore those parts, and many of them view the Bible as the literal word of God.

 

[Jaskalas]

1. 911 was 19 terrorists

By that logic you'd oppose our retaliation in 2001 Afghanistan.

There's a great deal more to September 11th than the men who suicide bombed us that day. Bin Laden, his terrorist network, the Taliban who harbored them, the Pakistanis who harbored and actively cover for them. The Saudi citizens who took part. Common folks on the street who celebrate such attacks for various interests and grievances, or who simply don't know any better. The folks inside America and Europe who assisted the hijackers.

It is just as disingenuous to claim 19 men are responsible for or supportive of September 11th, as it is disingenuous to blame all Muslims.

2. Billions of Muslims are against terrorism

But we don't feel it. We aren't immersed in that knowledge or understand it to be the truth. Sure there will be posters here who vouch that it's insane to think differently, that of course your right and everyone should know it. But that passenger on that plane certainly doesn't. He isn't alone.

There are more than enough people who feel that those are hollow words, meant to lower our guard as a knife is plunged into our backs. There is no trust or proper understanding.

The factors that empower this disparity need to be addressed in powerful and meaningful ways. The simple truth that Muslims are human too, and most aren't out to get you... needs to be made stronger. It needs to be felt by more people.

We need to address the incident on that plane, but we also need to address the larger picture. I do not feel it is enough to simply react when people snap at Muslims. We need to be proactive.

 

[Subyman]

I have my issues with the article and what they claim happened.

I have flown a bunch. I have NEVER gotten a Can of anything. they open it and give me 1/3 of it. I have never got a can let alone a full one.

shrug maybe its the flights i been on. but on both short and long flights it never happens.

also the argument that it could be used as a weapon i bad. really bad.

That is my experience as well. Beer is given as a full can because the person buys the can. Everyone else gets a tiny cup of soda/water. I'm wondering if this lady wanted a full can and not just the cup. Hard to say, but the guy getting a full can of beer versus her getting a cup is not hypocrisy because the man purchased the full can of beer. :thumbsup:

The flight attendant may have messed up and not opened the can of beer, but policy is to open the cans.

 

[Orignal Earl]

By that logic you'd oppose our retaliation in 2001 Afghanistan.

I do now, I didn't at first
I had serious doubts way back when my son wanted to join his buddies there.
I learned more as more friends got killed and wounded there

 

[railer]

Every can of soda that I've ever received on any flight has been opened for me.
I assume this is airline policy.
I also assume that any person, Muslim or not, could use an unopened can of soda in a bag or sock or something, to bludgeon fellow passengers, and that is why the policy exists.
I think this lady probably took this policy a little too personally, as it likely had nothing to do with her being a Muslim at all.
That being said, the alleged guy across the aisle, if he exists, deserved an elbow or two in the jaw for running off at the mouth like he did.
Otherwise I see no problems with this at all.

Must be a slow day in Canada, as I see Earl is here trolling away like he usually does....

 

[soundforbjt]

I've gotten the whole can many times, sometimes without even asking on the less full flights. I usually ask now for the whole can and have never been refused.

Same here. I used to fly weekly and usually always got a full can.

 

[Indus]

Taking after Finglobes?

Not even close...

I'm just saying it's about perception.. and education.

 

[CZroe]

I've gotten the whole can many times, sometimes without even asking on the less full flights. I usually ask now for the whole can and have never been refused.

She asked for an unopen can. There can be a big difference between a full can and an unopened can when it comes to their point of it being able to be used as a weapon.

Again, the real issue (if true) is that the other man was given an unopen can of beer, so: unequal treatment.

 

[HTFOff]

A muslim gets denied a can of soda on a plane. What's next? Internment camps? God help us all.

 

[soundforbjt]

She asked for an unopen can. There can be a big difference between a full can and an unopened can when it comes to their point of it being able to be used as a weapon.

Again, the real issue (if true) is that the other man was given an unopen can of beer, so: unequal treatment.

I used to get unopened cans all the time.

 

[Brainonska511]

She asked for an unopen can. There can be a big difference between a full can and an unopened can when it comes to their point of it being able to be used as a weapon.

Again, the real issue (if true) is that the other man was given an unopen can of beer, so: unequal treatment.

It's pretty ridiculous to think that a can of soda is going to be used as a weapon on a flight, regardless if it was opened or unopened. Passengers can bring many things on a flight that could be more hazardous than a can of soda. After all, they could bring any number of things post-security onto the flight - bottles from duty-free shops, their personal items which would be used as clubs, etc...

I have my issues with the article and what they claim happened.

I have flown a bunch. I have NEVER gotten a Can of anything. they open it and give me 1/3 of it. I have never got a can let alone a full one.

shrug maybe its the flights i been on. but on both short and long flights it never happens.

also the argument that it could be used as a weapon i bad. really bad.

I've gotten the full can before. Not always, but I have gotten them. I've also gotten a glass bottle of beer before.

Not even close...

I'm just saying it's about perception.. and education.

Well, your perception is severely distorted. Perhaps some education would be the order for you.

 

[blastingcap]

The percentages don't even matter. He is just mad that his exact statement can be applied to Christians and Jews. That's why he is bringing up things irrelevant to my point like how many people want to kill people that leave their cult. The fact remains that there are many violent portions of the Bible, many Christians and Jews ignore those parts, and many of them view the Bible as the literal word of God.

Bullshit. I'd be the first to acknowledge the idiocy among religions in general and in particular the Abrahamic religions.

To imply that all Abrahamic religions are as bad as each other (or more accurately, that their adherents are as bad as each other) is like lumping your brand of sophism with OriginalIdiot's. They are separate and distinct piles of crap and one is known to be worse than the other.

Stop trying to deflect about how a very large number of Muslims support execution of those who leave Islam, and how you're so hard pressed to find Christians and Jews who support the same for their religions.

 

[CZroe]

It's pretty ridiculous to think that a can of soda is going to be used as a weapon on a flight, regardless if it was opened or unopened. Passengers can bring many things on a flight that could be more hazardous than a can of soda. After all, they could bring any number of things post-security onto the flight - bottles from duty-free shops, their personal items which would be used as clubs, etc...

No one is saying that it's an FAA rule. It could be the airlines' new rule after someone freaked and cracked a window or something. Maybe the person was wrong and the real reason is because some kids ruined some expensive avionics by spraying eachother with soda. Either way, if they really have that rule and if the story is true, the true problem is one of unequal enforcement of the rules.

That said, last I checked, IS FAA regulations only allowed you to bring 8oz of any liquid on a plane and they had to be in an approved container.

 

[mrjminer]

I have never gotten an unopened can on an airplane. Any time I have asked for the can, they have always opened it before giving it to me.

 

[Brainonska511]

No one is saying that it's an FAA rule. It could be the airlines' new rule after someone freaked and cracked a window or something. If they really have that rule and if the story is true, the two he problem is one of unequal enforcement of the rules.

That said, last I checked, IS FAA regulations only allowed you to bring 8oz of any liquid on a plane and they had to be in an approved container.

There is only a limit when you're going through the security checkpoint. You can purchase large amounts of bottle liquids after security to bring on board.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Bullshit. I'd be the first to acknowledge the idiocy among religions in general and in particular the Abrahamic religions.

To imply that all Abrahamic religions are as bad as each other (or more accurately, that their adherents are as bad as each other) is like lumping your brand of sophism with OriginalIdiot's. They are separate and distinct piles of crap and one is known to be worse than the other.

Stop trying to deflect about how a very large number of Muslims support execution of those who leave Islam, and how you're so hard pressed to find Christians and Jews who support the same for their religions.

Is there a pew poll in regards to Christians and Judaism.
Is there a poll among theologists who support your fact that Islam is not a religion and actually a cult
You must have something, you only present facts right

 

[Jaskalas]

Is there a pew poll in regards to Christians and Judaism.
Is there a poll among theologists who support your fact that Islam is not a religion and actually a cult
You must have something, you only present facts right

Are you defending the poll results, where 75% in S. Asia and 50% in M.East want death for leaving Islam? With this much deflection... you seem to be defending it.

It'd be nice if Muslims were _ever_ seen condemning their extremists... instead of protecting them.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Are you defending the poll results, where 75% in S. Asia and 50% in M.East want death for leaving Islam? With this much deflection... you seem to be defending it.

It'd be nice if Muslims were _ever_ seen condemning their extremists... instead of protecting them.

When I'm constantly learning things like this, I have to wonder how these polls are worded and translated

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_to_America

In most official Iranian translations, the phrase is translated into English as the less offensive "Down with America."

Death to America is often quoted here as proof Iranians want to kill all Americans


If you just use google you can find all the condemnation you need, I agree you can't rely on US news for accurate information

https://www.google.ca/?gfe_rd=cr&ei...gws_rd=ssl#q=muslim+leaders+condemn+terrorism

 

[Mai72]

The first terrosit attack on America soil was done by a white male named Timothy McVeigh.

I guess most people have forgotten this little fact.

 

[Venix]

The Facebook post that CNN paraphrases as "the pilot later apologized" actually says, "The pilot also apologized for everything that happened and said that as a white male he recognized his privilege."

I'm really skeptical that any of this actually happened.

 

[umbrella39]

Considering Muslims vote for neither Liberalism nor Conversativism but Sharia and total destruction of anything not Islam (aka ISIS), you can't avoid this subject.

What kind of bleed do you have in your brain to post something so stupid? Intracranial? Intraparenchymal?

You sound like Frank Gaffney. I suggest you educate yourself and stop being a part of the problem.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/...tives-Dearborn-isn-t-a-no-go-zone-for-anyone#

I was born and raised in Dearborn and work alongside Muslims that vote Republican and Democrat.

This week, the Hindu-turned-Catholic Bobby Jindal doubled down on his bogus "no-go zones" claim at the center of his anti-Muslim crusade for the White House. He quickly had company in the form of Iraq war cheerleader and anti-Islamic xenophobe Frank Gaffney, who declared that Dearborn, Michigan, is already one of those no-go zones in America.

Of course, these right-wing myths aren't just an insult to the Muslim residents of Dearborn. The slander is an affront to all. Just ask Pastor Dustin Weber of the Dearborn Free Methodist Church. After all, he was just one of the many Christian ministers to deliver a prayer to open a meeting of the Dearborn city council.

Following in the footsteps of disgraced Nevada Republican Senate candidate Sharron Angle, Gaffney took to the airwaves to make the charge:


Not only did anti-Muslim conspiracy theorist Frank Gaffney use his interview on "Washington Watch" last week to compare President Obama to Osama bin Laden, but he also claimed that Sharia law has popped up in the U.S.
According to Gaffney, Dearborn, Michigan -- a regular target of debunked claims about Sharia law that Gaffney calls "Dearbornistan" -- has become a "ghetto enclave in which it's Muslim-only and others, if they are not effectively proscribed or prevented from going in, know that it is too dangerous to go."

For over a hundred years, Dearborn has had a large and thriving Arab-American community. While the greater Detroit area per capita has the largest Muslim population in the nation, Dearborn is also home to Lebanese and Iraqi Christians as well. But in the wake of the September 11, 2001 attacks, the diverse city of 97,000 has become the place "where Americans come to hate Muslims." As Daniel Denvir explained in 2012, whether it is Koran-burning pastor Terry Jones, the California-based Bible Believers or RenewAmerica...

It continues on if you click the link above. Good read if you want to get your head out of the sand you have buried it in...

 

[Venix]

The first terrosit attack on America soil was done by a white male named Timothy McVeigh.

I guess most people have forgotten this little fact.

No, that's not even close to being true.

Oklahoma City wasn't even the first terrorist bombing of the decade. al-Qaeda attacked the World Trade Center two years earlier.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

The first terrosit attack on America soil was done by a white male named Timothy McVeigh.

I guess most people have forgotten this little fact.

Oops see above^^^^^^^^^

 

[Genx87]

The first terrosit attack on America soil was done by a white male named Timothy McVeigh.

I guess most people have forgotten this little fact.

Eh that depends on how you define terrorist. Im sure if we go through our history there are many more before McVeigh. For starters just a few years earlier Ted Kaczynski.