Muslim Victim Asks Texas to Stop Execution of Man Who Shot Him

[Jaskalas]

Under Islamic law, the victim has no jurisdiction over a perpetrator once the case has been raised to the court. The man should be executed not for shooting a particular person, but for shooting anyone.

I imagine our law is similar with regards to jurisdiction. Though someone with the authority to stop it may take the plea under consideration when deciding whether to intervene or not.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Or remove executions so you can't make that mistake! Not difficult thinking, but seems too hard for you. Take your internet toughguy thing elsewhere, it just makes you look like even more of an idiot.

Go fuck yourself. You wanna be an ignorant piece of shit, knock yourself out. But quit sticking your dick where it doesn't belong. Evil worthless sacks of crap like this guy DESERVE to die. I celebrate it, and have no interest in anyone who doesn't.

 

[MagickMan]

The death penalty isn't a deterrent, it's a punishment.

Actually, it isn't so much a punishment as protection for the rest of society. Remove the murderous elements to protect the rest. They should do the same to serial rapists and child molesters.

 

[werepossum]

Actually, it isn't so much a punishment as protection for the rest of society. Remove the murderous elements to protect the rest. They should do the same to serial rapists and child molesters.

I don't disagree, but there is a point to be made that rapists and child molesters would then be more likely to kill their victims, since the penalty would be the same and the chances of being convicted would presumably be decreased.

 

[xj0hnx]

Actually, it isn't so much a punishment as protection for the rest of society. Remove the murderous elements to protect the rest. They should do the same to serial rapists and child molesters.

Either way, it's not a deterrent.

 

[SandEagle]

executed
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43832208/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

It is pretty ridiculous trying to use his religion as a selling point for his compassion, as if it's rare or something.

In this case it's not the forgiveness which is the interesting part of the religion, but the fact that the victims have a say in the punishment under Islamic law. Which in some circumstances can be a good thing, although it could also be abused for example if someone hires a hitman for a family member to get the inheritance and then 'forgives' that person.

 

[RisenZealot]

It already is. Especially on these forums. Most are pretty clear, they hate Muslims. And, it based on the actions of a few.

They should be hating on Islamic extremists and fundamentalists. But, that means they have to think before they hate. And, thinking would deprive them of hating on the innocent.

Which, makes me realize, they just don't like "brown" people.

This is true. It's also the exact same thing all the athiests around here do to Christians too!

I somehow bet you won't agree with that though

 

[ichy]

Actually, it isn't so much a punishment as protection for the rest of society. Remove the murderous elements to protect the rest. They should do the same to serial rapists and child molesters.

For the vast majority of murders life in prison would work just as well for protecting the society. There are a few criminals who're still a danger in prison, but for the most part I support capital punishment because I believe that there are some people whose actions are so vile and depraved that they deserve to die, and we as a society have a moral obligation to kill them.

 

[Jaskalas]

For the vast majority of murders life in prison would work just as well for protecting the society. There are a few criminals who're still a danger in prison, but for the most part I support capital punishment because I believe that there are some people whose actions are so vile and depraved that they deserve to die, and we as a society have a moral obligation to kill them.

Life in prison should NOT be an option. 10-20 years max for a top sentence, execute everyone sentenced beyond that time frame.

This would coincide with greatly reducing all non violent sentences.

 

[xj0hnx]

Life in prison should NOT be an option. 10-20 years max for a top sentence, execute everyone sentenced beyond that time frame.

This would coincide with greatly reducing all non violent sentences.

Pretty much this. If you commit a crime so heinous, and violent that you are sentenced to never be allowed into society again, why waste the time and money on sheltering, feeding, and providing for them.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Acceptance and expectation of prison raping and physical abuse among inmates are examples of the sorry state of a prison system and the society that controls it.

How do "civilized" nations prevent rape and physical abuse in prisons? Guards cannot monitor all prisoners all the time, they cannot always get there quickly enough if someone happens to notice something on camera. It seems the only way to prevent rape and prisoners abusing each other is to make use of the prison punishment of solitary confinement. A convicted felon that has no chance of parole for +20 years is likely not going to respond well to most punishments in prisons.

Prison time is punishment. The conditions of that punishment are also a reflection of the maturity of a society.

At what point do you cease providing prisoners with luxuries and make it feel more like punishment? It seems that many feel that prison should be more like "time-out" for adults or reduced in favor of "rehabilitation" like most people that commit crimes are suffering from mental illness brought on by the ills of society.

 

[Whiskey16]

How do "civilized" nations prevent rape and physical abuse in prisons? Guards cannot monitor all prisoners all the time, they cannot always get there quickly enough if someone happens to notice something on camera.

Life is rarely all or nothing. Prison systems can diminish abuse among inmates by avoiding over-crowding, avoiding prison designs where cells are down blind corridors and fairly unmonitored, diminish corruption among correctional officers, etc.

Or are you attempting to hold up the many jails and prisons as the epitome of sensible design? No. Improvements upon designs and sentencing can and should be made.

As it stands, much of the large prisons and jails in the USA and elsewhere are forums for mind wrenching and physical punishment. This not only leads to criminal and immoral abuse within but intensifies the ills in society as most of these people will be released back into the wider society. After having often been further broken in prison they will often not adjust to behaviour of what is necessary to remain outside, but retain what they learnt upon the inside.

Relatively uncivilised societies will not only relish in the extreme abuse among inmates as a form of vengeful punishment, but are too dim to acknowledge and rectify the greater ills and costs of such immorality.

On the points of mental illness, society should begin to end use of the prison system as a warehouse for the mentally ill. Increased numbers psychiatric bed space in the medical system of communities is a necessity. A large reason why there are often more visible homelessness in city such as Vancouver and Victoria in comparison to Seattle and Portland are that much of such homelessness is due to mental illness, but many of those who are afflicted in the USA find themselves to be interned within the prison and jail systems. All around, to diagnose and treat, regions require greater attention and support for community care of mental illness.

Though certainly not all those with criminal tendencies have a diagnosable mental illness. Mentally, many such criminals are damaged and broken due to the sorry states of prisons and jails.

Short term blood lust often drives this and the lack of sense propagates the extensive costs. Grow up, and mature as a society to diminish its current ills.

 

[a777pilot]

Yup, It's OBE. He's dead. Good. He will not be missed.

 

[Wreckem]

Which are again, made up. It's red tape and bad policy which create/allow those costs as well. Change the laws, create a streamlined system of execution, and the costs will evaporate.

A stream lined system would never pass constitutional muster. More or less the appeals process is there to protect people. Stream lining hurts the chances of correcting error. Right now there are way to many fucking exonerations happening, most of the time after 10-15 years that your idea is completely stupid and like I said would never pass constitutional muster. My bet is within the next 15 years the death penalty gets done away with.

Just to illustrate my point, right now there is a 1983 claim being tried in the Northern District of Texas for more or less wrongful imprisonment. It took over 10 fucking years, many appeals, and millions of dollars to get the guys convictions reversed. They were convicted of capital murder and sentenced to life with parole(before Texas had life without parole) because the DA decided not to pursue the death penalty. The DA shouldn't have pursued them anyways. The dudes were completely railroaded, and to add insult to injury the DA knowing the Texas statue and knowing he could never get a conviction on retrial sought a new indicitment knowing it would get no billed and the two dudes names would never be legally exonerated. Although, its clear they did not do it, and apparently everyone knows who did do it and they are still living in the area undisturbed.

The appeals process is there to correct miscarriages of justice, it works, most of the time, even if it is costly.

 

[ichy]

A stream lined system would never pass constitutional muster. More or less the appeals process is there to protect people. Stream lining hurts the chances of correcting error.

Are you kidding? Have you looked at some of the ridiculous claims that get raised? How many man-hours have been wasted on idiotic litigation about the "cruelty" of lethal injection. The appeals process is utterly broken.

 

[Wreckem]

Are you kidding? Have you looked at some of the ridiculous claims that get raised? How many man-hours have been wasted on idiotic litigation about the "cruelty" of lethal injection. The appeals process is utterly broken.

All you need to look at is the exoneration rates in Texas to know it is NOT broken. The only thing broken in Texas is the criminal justice system.

Also, the argument you raised is the last ditch effort. It's not one that costs a lot. Thats the shit you hear in the media. The stuff you don't hear about is, the years of appeals on errors. Very few cases are error free. The question on appeal becomes what type of error, was it harmless, etc. You also have appeals for ineffective/incompetent counsel which rarely succeed even though the vast majority of capital defendants have public defenders for attorneys and are the most likely to be incompetent. What I am saying is, they don't make an appeal like the one you offered, for 10-15 years.

 

[Craig234]

How do "civilized" nations prevent rape and physical abuse in prisons? Guards cannot monitor all prisoners all the time, they cannot always get there quickly enough if someone happens to notice something on camera. It seems the only way to prevent rape and prisoners abusing each other is to make use of the prison punishment of solitary confinement. A convicted felon that has no chance of parole for +20 years is likely not going to respond well to most punishments in prisons.

There are all kinds of ways to prevent sexual abuse.

Here's an organization with all kinds of experts and plans how to do it:

www.justdetention.org

The question is whether the government will bother to do the right thing.

That's also a good organization to donate to, the violence is wrong.

 

[CitizenKain]

Go fuck yourself. You wanna be an ignorant piece of shit, knock yourself out. But quit sticking your dick where it doesn't belong. Evil worthless sacks of crap like this guy DESERVE to die. I celebrate it, and have no interest in anyone who doesn't.

Untreated mental problems are such a shame. At least the internet lets manchildren vent their anger and act like tough-guys.

 

[ichy]

The best way to prevent sexual abuse in prisons is to execute the most dangerous and violent inmates.

 

[Tristicus]

You might want to look up the costs related to a person sentences to death vs one sentenced to life before making those type of statements.

Bullets are cheap.

 

[zinfamous]

He is from NC. In his gut h knows killin is cheap and prison is like welfare.

hey, I'm from NC and I'm not nearly as dumb as that guy. (....mostly)

 

[PrinceofWands]

Untreated mental problems are such a shame. At least the internet lets manchildren vent their anger and act like tough-guys.

I believe experience with murderers or murder victims gives one the right to take such matters personally. If you don't like that, that's your problem. I want murderers executed, and I make no excuses for that. Moreover I will oppose anyone who tries to take that away from people. If the government won't kill the evil in our society, the people WILL. One way or another, it always happens.

 

[PrinceofWands]

A stream lined system would never pass constitutional muster. More or less the appeals process is there to protect people. Stream lining hurts the chances of correcting error. Right now there are way to many fucking exonerations happening, most of the time after 10-15 years that your idea is completely stupid and like I said would never pass constitutional muster. My bet is within the next 15 years the death penalty gets done away with.

Just to illustrate my point, right now there is a 1983 claim being tried in the Northern District of Texas for more or less wrongful imprisonment. It took over 10 fucking years, many appeals, and millions of dollars to get the guys convictions reversed. They were convicted of capital murder and sentenced to life with parole(before Texas had life without parole) because the DA decided not to pursue the death penalty. The DA shouldn't have pursued them anyways. The dudes were completely railroaded, and to add insult to injury the DA knowing the Texas statue and knowing he could never get a conviction on retrial sought a new indicitment knowing it would get no billed and the two dudes names would never be legally exonerated. Although, its clear they did not do it, and apparently everyone knows who did do it and they are still living in the area undisturbed.

The appeals process is there to correct miscarriages of justice, it works, most of the time, even if it is costly.

Meanwhile the true filth of the world abuses the system to get away with murder - literally. So not only is the system broken in that it convicts innocent people, it also lets guilty people go (or at least gives them unjustly soft sentences). If it's broke both ways why aren't people more worried about fixing the part that convicts wrongly instead of the part which sentences?

Also, I don't buy your mostly working argument AT ALL. In my experience nearly ALL appeals are by guilty persons looking to work the system, or lawyers wanting to play the system. Given the number of appeals every year, do you really expect us to believe that there are that great a number of falsely convicted persons?

 

[Whiskey16]

If the government won't kill the evil in our society, the people WILL. One way or another, it always happens.

In such simple terms, it is a fair assessment that you are evil, immoral, anti-social, and thereby a great detriment to society...

A civilisation is built upon the people within. How many more willing murderous criminals are out there similar to you? Who'll do you, and so on?

This man who was killed by the state of Texas used the justification for his violence as revenge upon Muslims for the attacks on 11 September.

By the way, with the sordid history of your country, how did lynching work out....?