Muslim Victim Asks Texas to Stop Execution of Man Who Shot Him

[CitizenKain]

But those costs aren't real. I absolutely guarantee you that I can execute someone for under $50. Box of ammo, gun rental, 1 hour of pay @ $10/hr. Done. Anything beyond that is a made up expense.

You are aware that a majority of the costs isn't the actual act of execution, but the legal proceedings around it, right? Its not a difficult concept here.

 

[Whiskey16]

State executions are ineffective as deterrents and a sign of the uncivilised nature of the state who legislate them.

Mature societies choose to move forward and advance from historical ills.

Barbaric societies may be categorised by the barbaric actions that they commit.

You are what you are. Dislike the criticisms then avoid the actions that denote them.

 

[woolfe9999]

I'm going out on a limb here, but I don't think sharia law is the controlling law in Texas.

This issue comes up quite often in jurisdictions that have the death penalty. Perhaps over simplified, the victim's desire for clemency can mean a great deal before trial and sentencing, very little thereafter.

So far as I know, the only relevance of the victim's attitude post-trial is if the governor is considering clemency, it might be taken into consideration. That or if there is a re-trial after reversal on appeal.

That said, the willingness of the victims to forgive is laudable. It will not, however, make a difference.

 

[Nintendesert]

Who gives a shit? Other than him being a standup guy for his god, and good for him, the State carries out its sentences and justice without concern for a victim's religious ability to forgive. If it did, then we'd also be subject to its religious need to punish.

I'm good not living in a theocracy or some sharia law or other religiously run country.

 

[PrinceofWands]

You are aware that a majority of the costs isn't the actual act of execution, but the legal proceedings around it, right? Its not a difficult concept here.

Which are again, made up. It's red tape and bad policy which create/allow those costs as well. Change the laws, create a streamlined system of execution, and the costs will evaporate.

 

[xj0hnx]

State executions are ineffective as deterrents and a sign of the uncivilised nature of the state who legislate them.

The death penalty isn't a deterrent, it's a punishment.

 

[spacejamz]

....they hate Muslims. And, it based on the actions of a few.

You mean like the 'few' in Europe where countries are banning burquas and minarets in their skyline because they refuse to assimilate into countries they freely chose to move to and expect these locals to honor their customs/religion/tradition???

 

[Macamus Prime]

Huh?

Ha see wut ya'll did thar!!

He-yuck!! Garsh! Ya'll soz c-mart!!!!

 

[Whiskey16]

The death penalty isn't a deterrent, it's a punishment.

Language, dude..... It was quite clear that my writing of "a sign of the uncivilised nature of the state who legislate them" rather settles a viewpoint upon the punishment side of the capital punishment argument.

Rethink your comment if you do not see that in societies there have forever been a balance judged in the deterrent of a punishment for convictions.

Societies are composed of interactions between the inhabitants. You may not fabricate a social void for the punishment as such punishments are the result of how they may affect society.

Captital punishment reflects the brutality and uncivilised nature of a society.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Captital punishment reflects the brutality and uncivilised nature of a society.

Some that back the abolishment of the death penalty here state that one inflicts greater suffering upon criminals by making them live their lives out in prison with Bubba rather than by the "the easy way out" with a quick, clean, painless death by lethal injection.

If the motive behind eliminating capital punishment is that of extending the suffering of a criminal, by not executing him, does one still hold the moral high ground?

 

[OCGuy]

Surely you don't expect him to look at context when he can just scream "racist", and "Xenophobe" to attack people he doesn't agree with?

He is the biggest troll on the forums right now. He has some chip on his shoulder against white people. He has been warned by the mods that he is on thin ice.

I am trying to think of what RBM he could possibly be...

 

[BoberFett]

Ha see wut ya'll did thar!!

He-yuck!! Garsh! Ya'll soz c-mart!!!!

You are the dumbest person we've seen around here in a long time. You're right up there with McOwen.

 

[Whiskey16]

Some that back the abolishment of the death penalty here state that one inflicts greater suffering upon criminals by making them live their lives out in prison with Bubba...

Prison time is punishment. The conditions of that punishment are also a reflection of the maturity of a society.

Acceptance and expectation of prison raping and physical abuse among inmates are examples of the sorry state of a prison system and the society that controls it.

Beyond the immorality of killing one under your control and protection, capital punishment is absolute with no avenues for appeal. Mistakes in convictions are well documented. Toleration of errors in handing out punishment is a further display of the brutality and uncivilised nature of a society.

 

[soulcougher73]

Captital punishment reflects the brutality and uncivilised nature of a society.

Civilized societies have rules and laws. You break them and some of them come with serious punishments such as death. If they cannot live in a civilized society because they are uncivilized, then to the hell with them.

 

[xj0hnx]

Language, dude..... It was quite clear that my writing of "a sign of the uncivilised nature of the state who legislate them" rather settles a viewpoint upon the punishment side of the capital punishment argument.

Language, dude? Get a handle on it first. The only thing that's quite clear is your opinion.

Rethink your comment if you do not see that in societies there have forever been a balance judged in the deterrent of a punishment for convictions.

I don't need to rethink anything, it's a fact that it's not a deterrent, it's a punishment suited to the crime one is convicted of.

Societies are composed of interactions between the inhabitants. You may not fabricate a social void for the punishment as such punishments are the result of how they may affect society.

I'm sure there's some sort of "enlightened" point in there somewhere, could you try it again, just this time make some sense?

Captital punishment reflects the brutality and uncivilised nature of a society.

Capital punishments reflects the brutality, and uncivilized nature of a crime. They don't just hand out the death sentence willy nilly.

Some that back the abolishment of the death penalty here state that one inflicts greater suffering upon criminals by making them live their lives out in prison with Bubba rather than by the "the easy way out" with a quick, clean, painless death by lethal injection.

If the motive behind eliminating capital punishment is that of extending the suffering of a criminal, by not executing him, does one still hold the moral high ground?

Interesting point.

 

[Doboji]

This a Muslim man asking for peace and issuing forgiveness. Instead, you all dismiss this very clear point and proceed with a pissing contest.

Also, a man in Texas, shooting local Muslims, for something that happened miles away, to his sister,... by people from a part of the world different from this Bangladesh man. Aaaaand, you are shitting all over the Bangladesh man.



So, the other two victim's suviving family support Bhuiyan's actions. And, still, you do not praise the main point; a Muslim seeking peace and issuing forgiveness.

Thanks, you just clarified you are xenophobic war mongering racists. You want nothing more than death. And, congrats - you are no better, in fact WORSE, than the Islamic extremists and fundamentalists. If you aren't waving a bible while cheering the death of Arabs and Muslims, you are waving a financial statement of the profit performance for various merchants of death.

/spit

You really need some therapy. The discussion seems to be about whether not a victim has the right to ask for leniency for his attacker. We have lots of conversation about how to take into consideration the people who are dead and can't speak for themselves, we have some discussion about what Muslim law says on the subject... and then we have you screaming XENOPHOBIC RACIST at the top of your lungs.

Do you have any idea how stupid you appear?

 

[CitizenKain]

Which are again, made up. It's red tape and bad policy which create/allow those costs as well. Change the laws, create a streamlined system of execution, and the costs will evaporate.

All the red tape in the world is worth it if it keeps a innocent person from being executed. Sorry this delays you getting your rocks off.

 

[nick1985]

Under Islamic law

Nobody gives a fuck

 

[gevorg]

Am I suppose to be surprised that he didn't ask for stoning to death?

 

[1prophet]

http://www.courthousenews.com/2011/07/18/38231.htm

"Bhuiyan , a U.S . citizen whose family is from Bangladesh, says he "feels this
way because his parents raised him with the religious principle that he is best who can forgive easily. He believes, as a Muslim, that human life is precious and that no one has the right to take another's life."

a grand gesture and a great mantra to live by: he is best who can forgive easily. i forgive you all.

His religion isn't relevant in his ability to forgive as opposed to Christian, Buddhist, Hindu, Agnostic, atheist, etc.

Instead it was how he was raised by his parents that is relevant.





Same religion different outcome, (Thanks being to the Saudi's who use their billions in oil dollars to put forth their version of Islam and incite hate)

 

[xj0hnx]

... and then we have you screaming XENOPHOBIC RACIST at the top of your lungs.

Do you have any idea how stupid you appear?

that's his schtick, that and the hillbilly gag.

Nobody gives a fuck

Correct.

His religion isn't relevant in his ability to forgive as opposed to Christian, Buddhist, Hindu, Agnostic, atheist, etc.

It is pretty ridiculous trying to use his religion as a selling point for his compassion, as if it's rare or something.

 

[PrinceofWands]

All the red tape in the world is worth it if it keeps a innocent person from being executed. Sorry this delays you getting your rocks off.

If an innocent person is executed, it's because an innocent person was found guilty. Therefore the failure is in the justice system itself, not the punishment specifically. You want to help innocent people, fix the system. Quit fucking up lawful and just executions just because you're a whiny little pussy who doesn't have the balls to do what needs doing.

Look, I'm all for caution where guilt isn't 100% certain, but in this case (and a LOT of others) there's NO question whatsoever. In such cases, give them 1 year to make all appeals through an expedited system, then put a bullet in their pan.

 

[werepossum]

You are the dumbest person we've seen around here in a long time. You're right up there with McOwen.

That's not a fair comparison. Dave is capable of occasionally formulating and expressing sensible opinions, at least where Republicans are not somehow involved. Granted, those situations may be few given his views on Republicans, but they are possible. Let's just say the Ignore function is your friend and will greatly increase the overall intelligence of the forums.

I can also say kudos to the Bangladeshi man and, assuming this guy is as bad as he is represented here and that the case against him is airtight, I hope the bastard fries. I harbor no particular ill will against him, I just see it as no different from putting down a rabid dog. No offense to the nice Bangladeshi man; I admire his soul. I doubt that I could forgive a man who shot me, even though I know I should.

 

[Kadarin]

If a Muslim victim forgives the attacker and wishes clemency, I have no problem with that. However, whether or not clemency is granted should (and is) dependent on the legal system, not on the victim.

 

[CitizenKain]

If an innocent person is executed, it's because an innocent person was found guilty. Therefore the failure is in the justice system itself, not the punishment specifically. You want to help innocent people, fix the system. Quit fucking up lawful and just executions just because you're a whiny little pussy who doesn't have the balls to do what needs doing.

Or remove executions so you can't make that mistake! Not difficult thinking, but seems too hard for you. Take your internet toughguy thing elsewhere, it just makes you look like even more of an idiot.