Muslim Victim Asks Texas to Stop Execution of Man Who Shot Him

[Wreckem]

Meanwhile the true filth of the world abuses the system to get away with murder - literally. So not only is the system broken in that it convicts innocent people, it also lets guilty people go (or at least gives them unjustly soft sentences). If it's broke both ways why aren't people more worried about fixing the part that convicts wrongly instead of the part which sentences?

Also, I don't buy your mostly working argument AT ALL. In my experience nearly ALL appeals are by guilty persons looking to work the system, or lawyers wanting to play the system. Given the number of appeals every year, do you really expect us to believe that there are that great a number of falsely convicted persons?

"Lets" people go. Its better to let a guilty person go than condemn an innocent one. Besides, most instances of acquittal because there is a lack of evidence. Hell most crimes are never prosecuted. Most people don't realize that.

There are to many falsely convicted people. Thats why Ill. had a moratorium on the death penalty. You've had major crimes labs get into serious trouble(Dallas and Houston have had major problems over the years,as have their police forces). One of the SBI's in the Carolina's had a history of more or less making up/doctoring forensic evidence. There are dozens of people there in jail that shouldn't be and it is going to take years for them to get released on appeal. Bottom line is people are wrongfully convicted on a regular basis. Appeals allow for those to be corrected.

Also you obviously don't understand how appeals work. Even if you are truly innocent, there has to be a serious error to "win" and most of the time that win is either remand, or vacate with a new trial. Rarely is it a complete vacating of a conviction. Also it takes an extraordinary ruling to get a conviction over turned without some sort of harmful error. If there are serious errors in a trial, even a truly guilty person should be allowed to appeal and have a new trial because the error could have affected sentencing.

 

[xj0hnx]

In such simple terms, it is a fair assessment that you are evil, immoral, anti-social, and thereby a great detriment to society...

A civilisation is built upon the people within. How many more willing murderous criminals are out there similar to you? Who'll do you, and so on?

This man who was killed by the state of Texas used the justification for his violence as revenge upon Muslims for the attacks on 11 September.

By the way, with the sordid history of your country, how did lynching work out....?

What are you talking about? So now PrinceofWands is an evil, immoral, detriment to society? You're all over the place in you rambling.

Oh, it's unciviliZed, civiliZation

 

[Whiskey16]

I was quite clear, I suggest you to familiarise yourself with English, just a little more.

What are you talking about? So now PrinceofWands is an evil, immoral, detriment to society?

Your prerogative to tolerate lynching. Tally up another for criminal intent and uncivilised.

Oh, it's unciviliZed, civiliZation

Dictionary..I recommend.

 

[xj0hnx]

I was quite clear, I suggest you to familiarise yourself with English, just a little more.

I suggest you stop babbling and make a clear point.

Dictionary..I recommend.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/civilized
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/civilized
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/civilized

 

[PrinceofWands]

In such simple terms, it is a fair assessment that you are evil, immoral, anti-social, and thereby a great detriment to society...

A civilisation is built upon the people within. How many more willing murderous criminals are out there similar to you? Who'll do you, and so on?

This man who was killed by the state of Texas used the justification for his violence as revenge upon Muslims for the attacks on 11 September.

By the way, with the sordid history of your country, how did lynching work out....?

Depends how we define those things I imagine. However, if you're entitled to do that, then so am I. Now where are we?

Here's the differences, which ignorant butt-fucks like you always conveniently overlook: 1) direct actors, and 2) initial wrong.

First, you can only take 'revenge' on the actual individual who acted wrongly previously. Therefore the ONLY people the criminal in this case could logically have acted against are those who actually took the planes. You 'might' be able to expand it to those directly responsible for training them, funding them, planning for them, etc, but even that's a serious stretch which I don't think we need to get into for this debate.

Second, a person RESPONDING to direct wrong isn't the same as one who INSTIGATES an initial wrong. This is vital, because in any other situation the state is equally wrong for punishing a criminal as the criminal for their act (even without a death penalty). This is, of course, ludicrous.

A person enters into an understood contract with those others in their society. Under this contract, if they violate the rights of another, they surrender their own right to not be violated. In other words, all criminals effectively surrender their rights to not be punished. Moreover, in cases of extreme violence, they have surrendered their right to live. Period. The ONLY question is that of proof of guilt, which in this case, is foregone.

In your worthless analogy of lynching, whites had not been wronged by anyone, never mind the specific persons they attacked. Their attacks were in fact the crime, and one that should have been punished by death.

In other words, you're both wrong, and pitiable.

 

[PrinceofWands]

"Lets" people go. Its better to let a guilty person go than condemn an innocent one. Besides, most instances of acquittal because there is a lack of evidence. Hell most crimes are never prosecuted. Most people don't realize that.

There are to many falsely convicted people. Thats why Ill. had a moratorium on the death penalty. You've had major crimes labs get into serious trouble(Dallas and Houston have had major problems over the years,as have their police forces). One of the SBI's in the Carolina's had a history of more or less making up/doctoring forensic evidence. There are dozens of people there in jail that shouldn't be and it is going to take years for them to get released on appeal. Bottom line is people are wrongfully convicted on a regular basis. Appeals allow for those to be corrected.

Also you obviously don't understand how appeals work. Even if you are truly innocent, there has to be a serious error to "win" and most of the time that win is either remand, or vacate with a new trial. Rarely is it a complete vacating of a conviction. Also it takes an extraordinary ruling to get a conviction over turned without some sort of harmful error. If there are serious errors in a trial, even a truly guilty person should be allowed to appeal and have a new trial because the error could have affected sentencing.

That's a great attitude. Go ahead and let a thousand guilty men go free so that one innocent one doesn't, rather than fix the issue of ascertaining guilt or innocent in the first place. Within a short time that should lead to, well, the utter destruction of society itself as the guilty and criminally minded run roughshod over the innocent. Gee, kind of like we see in modern societies so often.

I agree there are too many falsely convicted people. So let's fix the TRIAL process, and LAW ENFORCEMENT, and not bitch and whine about penalty harshness. Let's enforce ABSOLUTE transparency of government officials, invoke TERRIBLE and SWIFT penalties for abusing such offices, and encourage TRUTH and JUSTICE above job and law. We put men on the fucking moon, and are developing AI, I think we can solve the whole 'guilt/innocence' thing if we put our mind to it.

How does the further failure of the appeal system help your case? All you're doing is making mine for me. Errors aren't relevant, guilt or innocence is. In fact, ONLY guilt or innocence matter at all. If a person did it, they NEED to be harshly punished 100% of the time, no exceptions. If they didn't do it, they shouldn't even have to endure the witch hunt. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING matters but guilt or innocence. Nothing else even exists.

 

[Whiskey16]

In your worthless analogy of lynching, whites had not been wronged by anyone, never mind the specific persons they attacked.

You are an advocate for lynching:

I want murderers executed, and I make no excuses for that. Moreover I will oppose anyone who tries to take that away from people. If the government won't kill the evil in our society, the people WILL.

Go ahead and let a thousand guilty men go free so that one innocent one doesn't, rather than fix the issue of ascertaining guilt or innocent in the first place.

The courts and the appeals process are to do just that. A rush for a swift death of the targeted prisoner nullifies justice and morality.

We come down to your belief in the failings of court and law enforcement leave certain justice to found in the gut feelings of an angry mob to lynch the target.

It bears repeating where I made a fair assessment that as an absolutist ideologue for vengeful blood lust, you are evil, immoral, anti-social, and thereby a great detriment to society... Part of the problem rather than solutions.

 

[PrinceofWands]

You are an advocate for lynching:

The courts and the appeals process are to do just that. A rush for a swift death of the targeted prisoner nullifies justice and morality.

We come down to your belief in the failings of court and law enforcement leave certain justice to found in the gut feelings of an angry mob to lynch the target.

It bears repeating where I made a fair assessment that as an absolutist ideologue for vengeful blood lust, you are evil, immoral, anti-social, and thereby a great detriment to society... Part of the problem rather than solutions.

You strive for your society, I'll strive for mine. In the end, we'll never see eye to eye on this.

 

[Whiskey16]

In the end, we'll never see eye to eye on this.

As you'll all be blind in yours. :sneaky:

 

[Dr. Zaus]

I'm going out on a limb here, but I don't think sharia law is the controlling law in Texas.

This is why I post here; to be informed!

(and laugh)

 

[PrinceofWands]

As you'll all be blind in yours. :sneaky:

I'll settle for blind if it also brings right and safety.

 

[CitizenKain]

You strive for your society, I'll strive for mine. In the end, we'll never see eye to eye on this.

Mmmm, the sweet smell of an authoritarian. The law is always right kind of person, where the world is black and white and no such thing as grey. Also known as a complete failure of a human being.

 

[KAZANI]

I'll settle for blind if it also brings right and safety.

Quick, somebody lend PrinceofWankers his time machine for a minute so he can go to the Dark Ages where he may find his puritan nirvana there.

People make grave mistakes all the time and some acknowledge and correct them later on. It is not to the interest of society to deprive criminals of the chance to redeem themselves for horrible crimes they have commited, in order to satisfy sadistic superstitious notions of justice, that have been proven in history to be inefficient crime detterents and inducing mass hysteria which is exploited by unscrupulous men as a tool to purge political opossition in 99% of executions.

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