What about composing something other than the standard 12 bar blues? I mean the 12 bar blues has been beaten to death and beyond. They're all the same songs. The saying almost holds true...bluesmen really only know one song : )
What about composing something other than the standard 12 bar blues? I mean the 12 bar blues has been beaten to death and beyond. They're all the same songs. The saying almost holds true...bluesmen really only know one song : )
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The blues riff was just to get people going and used to the system, nothing more than that. I figured it was something everyone here could easily relate to quickly.
If you guys want to do bass before drums that's fine too, seems kinda backwards to me but my part doesn't come in till after those two anyway so it doesn't matter to me.
If you guys want to do bass before drums that's fine too, seems kinda backwards to me but my part doesn't come in till after those two anyway so it doesn't matter to me.
How about we build in this fashion?
-Cowbells (metronome)
-Bass groove
-Drum groove
-Guitar groove
-Keyboard groove
-Guitar solos
-Keyboard solos
-Bass solos
-Drum solos
-Scat solos
-More guitar solos
-Even more guitar solos
MartyMcFly3
Lifer
MartyMcFly3
Lifer
Just so you guys know if it doesn't happen today (which it might not) I have tomorrow off so I'll have the whole day to work on this if I so need to. I cant get my fingers to do what my brain is telling them to do. 
MartyMcFly3
Lifer
Originally posted by: Platypus
Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
i REALLY hate red light anxiety
don't sweat it, this is purely for fun
Oh I know that, I just don't want to give you guys recorded dookie.
Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
Originally posted by: Platypus
Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
i REALLY hate red light anxiety
don't sweat it, this is purely for fun
Oh I know that, I just don't want to give you guys recorded dookie.
LMAO! What an interesting visual.
Are we starting at bass now? I've got something in mind but I wanted to take it to my band first to jam to it to see if we could make a song out of it. I'll record it and send it to my drummer and if he doesn't dig it it'll become AT domain.
JoLLyRoGer
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Originally posted by: CraKaJaX
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Chad Smith and Flea style?
I can add something to a bass riff.
... Paging Marty. Get something funky going or something.
OK, so what's the concensus here?? Are we scrapping the drum tracks I recorded and starting back at scratch??
I don't guess I care either way; I just want to hear something cool. I suppose we could work it both ways though. If someone has a good bass or even just a regular guitar riff to start out with, we could all go off of that instead of the drums if that's easier and suppose someone else has something that goes with what I've already tracked then we can keep going with that at the same time.
Anyway, as I was saying earlier in this thread. Most new songs in my band are born on an acoustic guitar first and everything else evolves from there. I've cut a few CD's in my time and I have to be honest when I say this is the first time I've ever laid the drum track down first with no instrumentatino to feed off of.
Typically when we go into the studio, everyone records to a click-track first and then I add the drum track afterwards.
At any rate, I'll continue to leave the 2 drum tracks I recorded earlier up on my website if anyone is interested. Incase anyone is still confused about the 4/4 take. The structure breaks down like this:
It is all full 12 bar stanzas, but the first stanza is split onto a 4 bar intro + an 8 bar section to complete the riff. Everything else is straight up in the pocket. There's a better explanation up above if you still need more clarification.
Take it or leave it - this is all just for fun anyway.
JR..
CraKaJaX
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Originally posted by: JoLLyRoGer
Originally posted by: CraKaJaX
:thumbsup:
Chad Smith and Flea style?
I can add something to a bass riff.
... Paging Marty. Get something funky going or something.
OK, so what's the concensus here?? Are we scrapping the drum tracks I recorded and starting back at scratch??
I don't guess I care either way; I just want to hear something cool. I suppose we could work it both ways though. If someone has a good bass or even just a regular guitar riff to start out with, we could all go off of that instead of the drums if that's easier and suppose someone else has something that goes with what I've already tracked then we can keep going with that at the same time.
Anyway, as I was saying earlier in this thread. Most new songs in my band are born on an acoustic guitar first and everything else evolves from there. I've cut a few CD's in my time and I have to be honest when I say this is the first time I've ever laid the drum track down first with no instrumentatino to feed off of.
Typically when we go into the studio, everyone records to a click-track first and then I add the drum track afterwards.
At any rate, I'll continue to leave the 2 drum tracks I recorded earlier up on my website if anyone is interested. Incase anyone is still confused about the 4/4 take. The structure breaks down like this:
It is all full 12 bar stanzas, but the first stanza is split onto a 4 bar intro + and 8 bar section to complete the riff. Everything else is straight up in the pocket. There's a better explanation up above if you still need more clarification.
Take it or leave it - this is all just for fun anyway.
JR..
Exactly. IMO I believe it is easier to come up with something on guitar or bass and THEN add the drum track to it. The guitar usually leads, while the drums follow. Of course, there are drum solos, but aside from that -- it's usually guitar leading drums. We drummers just hold it all together
....Still paging Marty.
JoLLyRoGer
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I'd also just like to add that sometimes it's easier for the bass player if there is already a basic chord progression to follow (hint-hint guitarists! ).
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CraKaJaX
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Originally posted by: JoLLyRoGer
I'd also just like to add that sometimes it's easier for the bass player if there is already a basic chord progression to follow (hint-hint guitarists!
What throne did you end up getting JR?
Did you trust me on the Original RNS?
Um..let's make it easier....Let's build on what we already have. We have a drum track.
I posted something stupid earlier as a joke but come on, this isn't rocket science that takes days of geeking out.
I posted something stupid earlier as a joke but come on, this isn't rocket science that takes days of geeking out.
BTW, who played the 4/4 drum track and did you record it with a click track? If so, what was the exact speed?
JoLLyRoGer
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Originally posted by: CraKaJaX
Originally posted by: JoLLyRoGer
I'd also just like to add that sometimes it's easier for the bass player if there is already a basic chord progression to follow (hint-hint guitarists!
What throne did you end up getting JR?
Did you trust me on the Original RNS?
Actually I wound up with something completely different from any of the stuff I was looking at the other day. I found this small time music store in the town where I work and picked up a hydraulic throne made by PEACE.
It's got a fat padded round seat w/ velvet top and some heavy 4 way double braced legs. The thing feels damn sturdy if even a bit heavy! Ultimately, it looked fit the best of both worlds for me between my desire to try a hydraulic/nitro type throne and my affinity for a round seat. Plus it has a very decent height adjustment.
The only thing I don't really like about it is the seat is permenantly attached so packing it down can be a bit of a pain, but other than that I'm pretty happy with it so far.
CraKaJaX
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Originally posted by: JoLLyRoGer
Originally posted by: CraKaJaX
Originally posted by: JoLLyRoGer
I'd also just like to add that sometimes it's easier for the bass player if there is already a basic chord progression to follow (hint-hint guitarists!
What throne did you end up getting JR?
Did you trust me on the Original RNS?
Actually I wound up with something completely different from any of the stuff I was looking at the other day. I found this small time music store in the town where I work and picked up a hydraulic throne made by PEACE.
It's got a fat padded round seat w/ velvet top and some heavy 4 way double braced legs. The thing feels damn sturdy if even a bit heavy! Ultimately, it looked fit the best of both worlds for me between my desire to try a hydraulic/nitro type throne and my affinity for a round seat. Plus it has a very decent height adjustment.
The only thing I don't really like about it is the seat is permenantly attached so packing it down can be a bit of a pain, but other than that I'm pretty happy with it so far.
Sounds like a Pork Pie? Except with 4 legs. How much did it drain you? I've never heard of PEACE.
JoLLyRoGer
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I tracked both the 4/4 and the 6/8 tracks and no I didn't use a click track.
The problem with trying to record drums to a click track is that if you're perfect, you will never hear the click (because you're playing right on top of it). So you're inevitably doomed to get off at some point and then it becomes a distraction and everything starts sounding clunky as you try desperately to get back in time with the click.
In short, I've never been able to make it work for me.
Here is the more detailed formula we use in my band for getting around my click track hangup:
We usually start with a couple of throw-away instrument tracks recorded against a click track (such as rhythm guitar and on rare occasion a basic bass track) and then I fall in behind that and record my real track.
Next we delete the throw-away tracks and the click track and now the drum track becomes the click track that all the other "keepers" get recorded against.
The net effect is that I get to feed off the instruments and put that emotion into my playing. They ultimately then get to feed off of me (makes all the little breaks/fills/etc., come to life) similar to the way it works when we play live. Everyone gets to feed off everyone which is what you need to make a song really come to life.
Music is so much more than just playing notes ya know.
CraKaJaX
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You can hear the track if you wear headphones? I assume you do.. but hell. You can definitely hear it while playing drums. I know that when I play to them I can hear them loud and clear. What software are you running JR? How do you have your kit set up?
JoLLyRoGer
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Originally posted by: CraKaJaX
Originally posted by: JoLLyRoGer
Originally posted by: CraKaJaX
Originally posted by: JoLLyRoGer
I'd also just like to add that sometimes it's easier for the bass player if there is already a basic chord progression to follow (hint-hint guitarists!
What throne did you end up getting JR?
Did you trust me on the Original RNS?
Actually I wound up with something completely different from any of the stuff I was looking at the other day. I found this small time music store in the town where I work and picked up a hydraulic throne made by PEACE.
It's got a fat padded round seat w/ velvet top and some heavy 4 way double braced legs. The thing feels damn sturdy if even a bit heavy! Ultimately, it looked fit the best of both worlds for me between my desire to try a hydraulic/nitro type throne and my affinity for a round seat. Plus it has a very decent height adjustment.
The only thing I don't really like about it is the seat is permenantly attached so packing it down can be a bit of a pain, but other than that I'm pretty happy with it so far.
Sounds like a Pork Pie? Except with 4 legs. How much did it drain you? I've never heard of PEACE.
Cost me $119.00 out the door. Not the cheapest thing on the block, but definatly not outrageous either...
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Originally posted by: JoLLyRoGer
I'd also just like to add that sometimes it's easier for the bass player if there is already a basic chord progression to follow (hint-hint guitarists!
Exactly what I was thinking too. Unless the bass is supposed to be the driving force, which is totally cool with me.
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