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JoeKing

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Originally posted by: yoda291
Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: yoda291
JoeKing - not until you listen to sam cooke, buddy holly, and Ratty - Sunrise. Overall, I don't like smashing pumpkins or nirvana much at all...so your other choices are a little iffy.

You perfer classic rock by the sound of your picks. I'm giving you a sample of the greatest modern rock. Your ears haven't heard until you've listened through Pablo Honey and Siamese Dream.

Muse is often reffered to as a "harder" version of Radiohead. To some extent I agree. But think of their sound more a Radiohead ala Pablo Honey. They're poised to breakout in the US soon.

The Nirvana, well, it usually comes down to either you love em or hate em. But damn man you've gotta admire them. They created a new sound! And while the songs may seem simplistic the depth in the music is there.

But for peak sake man you said you want to hear good new music, at the very least listen to Pablo Honey. And please check out the Pumpkins "Cherub Rock", the first song on Siamese Dreams. The pumpkins sound was far diffrent than most of the recent stuff they released before the break up.

I think you missed my point. My point being that it seems unlikely that I'd enjoy any of those music suggestions and that you haven't provided any convincing reason that I would/should. Indeed, you expressly refused to. The reason I asked that people explain why a particular song would appeal to me and get my foot wedged into a new genre is to avoid the fanboi-ism that pervades everything. Otherwise, I'm sure some fool would come in here spouting how I should listen to eminem and all other music sucks or that 50 cent is the greatest thing since sliced bread and I must be a madman to be listening to all this old stuff. So when you post that I should listen to band A B and C because you said so...you'll have to forgive me if I don't whip out the credit card immediately and starting pulling down plastic. Essentially, you're just telling me the music YOU enjoy and assuming that because you enjoy it, I simply must. Therefore, I reciprocate. I enjoy listening to the beatles and buddy holly, therefore, you must immediately love it. What I need is more, why is so-and-so good music?

The music I like is music that stands on its own merits and I'm generally of the impression that pretty much everything put out nowadays is garbage. I used to think house music was all derivative and just the same *thump**thump**thump**thump* until someone showed me that I was wrong and it was just bad sound systems and bad song selection that caused that stereotype. For instance, once you get past the weed culture stereotype, Hendrix is an absolutely brilliant musician. Once you get past the Xtasy popping party culture, you'll find lots of people like Sandra Collins or Flip and Fill produce some really good house and trance music.

For instance, I've just spent the past hour or so listening to stone temple pilots and already I can tell there's going to be a lot of their music I will never like. But there are a few which I am enjoying. I'm well aware that I'll probably never really develop a fondness for any suggestion here over what I already enjoy, but the whole point of this exercize is to at least be able to appreciate and enjoy other things and realize that not everything put out in the past 2 decades blows. Plus, you never know...I used to hate electronic music.

PS - my personal opinion of Nirvana is that they are to rock music what britney spears is to pop music (OMGWTF Crucify him!!!). Cobain was, in my estimation, an above average musician, but he wasn't doing anything that hadn't been done before and, arguably, done better. Hell, every other non-musical word out of his mouth was some angsty protest that he had sold out his "culture" and was being unoriginal. The only difference was, he was a marketing juggernaut. Spears is the same, she hasn't done anything that hadn't been done before, if not much better, by madonna, paula abdul, mariah, so on and so forth, the only diff, she's a marketing supernova.

yeah and it's called do some of your own fvcking research! I'll point the way but fvck you if you want me to hold your hand. How long would it take for you to "aquire" a cd? I don't know about you, but it would take me less than than 5 mins if I felt so inclined. So why don't you just fire up whatever method of music acquirement you use and download some of the music? You said you're interested in Alt Rock well I gave you a list of what in MY opinion are the best of that genre.

Tip use google, use amazon.com put the names of the albums people reccomended into amazons search and read the reviews if you want proof.

And I never said there was anything wrong with the "classics" I grew up listening to that stuff. But it's old and the cds I mentioned are an evolution of that music.

But you know if you really lump Nirvana in with BS then I'm just going to give up any hope for you.

Just because I post in your thread doesn't mean I have to follow your rules.
 

dsfunk

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you can never tell

I like the same stuff though, and I want to check out new releases from...Audioslave, Weezer, and Jack Johnson

maybe you'll like it, maybe you won't
 

LtPage1

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you need the american idiot album. funny thing is, the single "american idiot" is the weakest song on the whole album. seriously, its only grown on me since i got it when it first came out. in another couple years, could be a viable contender for best album EVER.
 

dsfunk

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Originally posted by: LtPage1
you need the american idiot album. funny thing is, the single "american idiot" is the weakest song on the whole album. seriously, its only grown on me since i got it when it first came out. in another couple years, could be a viable contender for best album EVER.


not ever, but it's good

I had dookie and slappy in high school, skipped the rest, but it really is good
 

JoeKing

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Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: LtPage1
you need the american idiot album. funny thing is, the single "american idiot" is the weakest song on the whole album. seriously, its only grown on me since i got it when it first came out. in another couple years, could be a viable contender for best album EVER.

I agree. Very Tommyesq in it's scope. My personal fave on that album is the "Give Me Novacaine" ballad. I love the contrast and the more punkish feel of that song. It's still makes it way onto my mix cds.
 

dsfunk

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Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: LtPage1
you need the american idiot album. funny thing is, the single "american idiot" is the weakest song on the whole album. seriously, its only grown on me since i got it when it first came out. in another couple years, could be a viable contender for best album EVER.

I agree. Very Tommyesq in it's scope. My personal fave on that album is the "Give Me Novacaine" ballad. I love the contrast and the more punkish feel of that song. It's still makes it way onto my mix cds.


tommyesq?
 

JoeKing

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Originally posted by: dsfunk
Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: LtPage1
you need the american idiot album. funny thing is, the single "american idiot" is the weakest song on the whole album. seriously, its only grown on me since i got it when it first came out. in another couple years, could be a viable contender for best album EVER.

I agree. Very Tommyesq in it's scope. My personal fave on that album is the "Give Me Novacaine" ballad. I love the contrast and the more punkish feel of that song. It's still makes it way onto my mix cds.


tommyesq?

Tommy
the first rock opera ;)
 

yoda291

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Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: yoda291
Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: yoda291
JoeKing - not until you listen to sam cooke, buddy holly, and Ratty - Sunrise. Overall, I don't like smashing pumpkins or nirvana much at all...so your other choices are a little iffy.

You perfer classic rock by the sound of your picks. I'm giving you a sample of the greatest modern rock. Your ears haven't heard until you've listened through Pablo Honey and Siamese Dream.

Muse is often reffered to as a "harder" version of Radiohead. To some extent I agree. But think of their sound more a Radiohead ala Pablo Honey. They're poised to breakout in the US soon.

The Nirvana, well, it usually comes down to either you love em or hate em. But damn man you've gotta admire them. They created a new sound! And while the songs may seem simplistic the depth in the music is there.

But for peak sake man you said you want to hear good new music, at the very least listen to Pablo Honey. And please check out the Pumpkins "Cherub Rock", the first song on Siamese Dreams. The pumpkins sound was far diffrent than most of the recent stuff they released before the break up.

I think you missed my point. My point being that it seems unlikely that I'd enjoy any of those music suggestions and that you haven't provided any convincing reason that I would/should. Indeed, you expressly refused to. The reason I asked that people explain why a particular song would appeal to me and get my foot wedged into a new genre is to avoid the fanboi-ism that pervades everything. Otherwise, I'm sure some fool would come in here spouting how I should listen to eminem and all other music sucks or that 50 cent is the greatest thing since sliced bread and I must be a madman to be listening to all this old stuff. So when you post that I should listen to band A B and C because you said so...you'll have to forgive me if I don't whip out the credit card immediately and starting pulling down plastic. Essentially, you're just telling me the music YOU enjoy and assuming that because you enjoy it, I simply must. Therefore, I reciprocate. I enjoy listening to the beatles and buddy holly, therefore, you must immediately love it. What I need is more, why is so-and-so good music?

The music I like is music that stands on its own merits and I'm generally of the impression that pretty much everything put out nowadays is garbage. I used to think house music was all derivative and just the same *thump**thump**thump**thump* until someone showed me that I was wrong and it was just bad sound systems and bad song selection that caused that stereotype. For instance, once you get past the weed culture stereotype, Hendrix is an absolutely brilliant musician. Once you get past the Xtasy popping party culture, you'll find lots of people like Sandra Collins or Flip and Fill produce some really good house and trance music.

For instance, I've just spent the past hour or so listening to stone temple pilots and already I can tell there's going to be a lot of their music I will never like. But there are a few which I am enjoying. I'm well aware that I'll probably never really develop a fondness for any suggestion here over what I already enjoy, but the whole point of this exercize is to at least be able to appreciate and enjoy other things and realize that not everything put out in the past 2 decades blows. Plus, you never know...I used to hate electronic music.

PS - my personal opinion of Nirvana is that they are to rock music what britney spears is to pop music (OMGWTF Crucify him!!!). Cobain was, in my estimation, an above average musician, but he wasn't doing anything that hadn't been done before and, arguably, done better. Hell, every other non-musical word out of his mouth was some angsty protest that he had sold out his "culture" and was being unoriginal. The only difference was, he was a marketing juggernaut. Spears is the same, she hasn't done anything that hadn't been done before, if not much better, by madonna, paula abdul, mariah, so on and so forth, the only diff, she's a marketing supernova.

yeah and it's called do some of your own fvcking research! I'll point the way but fvck you if you want me to hold your hand. How long would it take for you to "aquire" a cd? I don't know about you, but it would take me less than than 5 mins if I felt so inclined. So why don't you just fire up whatever method of music acquirement you use and download some of the music? You said you're interested in Alt Rock well I gave you a list of what in MY opinion are the best of that genre.

Tip use google, use amazon.com put the names of the albums people reccomended into amazons search and read the reviews if you want proof.

And I never said there was anything wrong with the "classics" I grew up listening to that stuff. But it's old and the cds I mentioned are an evolution of that music.

But you know if you really lump Nirvana in with BS then I'm just going to give up any hope for you.

Just because I post in your thread doesn't mean I have to follow your rules.

First off, deep breaths, or you might give yourself an aneurysm.

Second, I looked all over amazon and walden and bn.com and I don't see a 5 minute delivery option. If I wanted 128kbps of noise, I could easily fire up kazaa or whatnot and download something, or I could hum to myself. Same Difference. Fact is, however, that a lot of music gets lost in transcoding and it's best to use a nice clean cd or some sort of lossless format which is considerably less widespread than the ubiquitous mp3. If you can manage with less, more power to you, I prefer cds and I'm of the opinion that the transcoded media out there just removes entirely too much data....but neither here nor there.

Third, I never said you believed there was anything wrong with "classics". What I said was that I was looking for reasons on why such and such music is good. Not just random suggestions thrown out in the air. It's the same thing as if you were asking for an intro to classical music (not that I'm saying you don't know classical music, just for examples sake) and I told you, "Scarlotti, I won't tell you why, just listen and you'll know". Now you go out and buy the cd and find you hate it. It's godawful. Well, if I were in that position, I'd be a little miffed. But if I told you that Scarlotti was a defining baroque composer who integrated a lot of italian operatic style into his work, you could then go, well, I dislike italian opera, this wouldn't be for me.

Fourth, if I wanted the opinions of a hundred fanbois and gurls I don't need to goto amazon search or google or userreviews, I can just waltz down the 7-11 and let the high schoolers tell me how avril is so great and she understands them...thereby resting comfortably with the knowledge that if music degenerates into a series of beeps, they will all love it.

Fifth, did you even read that part? Or did you just see Nirvana and Britney Spears in the same sentence and go BAN~!. Really, if someone comparing nirvana to britney spears on atot gets your panties all tied up in a knot, you might want to try qualifying for medical marijuana or just something and mellow out some.

Just because you post in my thread, doesn't mean you're any more informative than someone neffing.
 

JoeKing

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oh great another "audiophile" :roll:

I'm done with you. Your thread title reads music appreciation. But you refuse to. Get your head out of your sphincter and actually listen to the music.
 

yoda291

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Originally posted by: dsfunk
yoda291, I tried to read your last post, but I couldn't finish

sry, cliffs notes:

I called both Nirvana and Britney Spears huge marketing giants and JoeKing got offended. or he got offended at something else, I'm not quite sure anymore.
 

JoeKing

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Originally posted by: yoda291
Originally posted by: dsfunk
yoda291, I tried to read your last post, but I couldn't finish

sry, cliffs notes:

I called both Nirvana and Britney Spears huge marketing giants and JoeKing got offended. or he got offended at something else, I'm not quite sure anymore.

not offended, just frustrated. I'm the kind of person that can't stand a whiney kid that keeps asking why? Why? Why?

Why don't you just find out for yourself and stfu?

and as far as Nirvana goes, just stop talking. I'm actually not a super big fan of theirs, but had many friends in college who were. And I got to know the background and history of the band.

Read and learn
My favorite book about Nirvana. For one thing, it doesn't sensationalize, but it doesn't gloss anything over. Having been active in the Seattle music scene throughout Nirvana's obscurity, fame, and demise, I can vouch for the accuracy of its description of the music community in the late '80s and early '90s and Nirvana's role. And being in a band that's currently climbing the ladder, I appreciated the many lessons this book has to offer about the workings of the recording industry.

Best of all, because this book was written before Cobain's death, it is not tinged with the "isn't this tragic" attitude that permeates many books about Nirvana and Cobain. Instead, the book is vibrant with the energy, excitement, and passion that swept local musicians the day "Nevermind" was released, local audiences in the months after, the U.S, and--lest we forget--the world, during Nirvana's more-than-15-minutes of fame.
 

yoda291

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Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: yoda291
Originally posted by: dsfunk
yoda291, I tried to read your last post, but I couldn't finish

sry, cliffs notes:

I called both Nirvana and Britney Spears huge marketing giants and JoeKing got offended. or he got offended at something else, I'm not quite sure anymore.

not offended, just frustrated. I'm the kind of person that can't stand a whiney kid that keeps asking why? Why? Why?

Why don't you just find out for yourself and stfu?

Well then now I'm confused. In the opening post, I am asking that you provide a reasoning behind your suggestion, even using the word "why". If this is something that irritates you personally...shouldn't you have just moved onto another thread and avoided the irritation?
 

dsfunk

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I think Nirvana got marketed once they were already making music, and the record company got ahold of them.

I think Spears was marketed from the get-go.

I think there is a difference.

I think Nirvana had members of a band that could play musical instruments.

I think Spears was in Mickey Mouse Club.

I don't think they should be in the same boat.
 

JoeKing

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Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: yoda291
Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: yoda291
Originally posted by: dsfunk
yoda291, I tried to read your last post, but I couldn't finish

sry, cliffs notes:

I called both Nirvana and Britney Spears huge marketing giants and JoeKing got offended. or he got offended at something else, I'm not quite sure anymore.

not offended, just frustrated. I'm the kind of person that can't stand a whiney kid that keeps asking why? Why? Why?

Why don't you just find out for yourself and stfu?

Well then now I'm confused. In the opening post, I am asking that you provide a reasoning behind your suggestion, even using the word "why". If this is something that irritates you personally...shouldn't you have just moved onto another thread and avoided the irritation?

Have you actually listened to any of the music I listed? Not general songs by the band, but the specific songs or albums I mentioned? $10 says you WILL feel like an asshat. I'll have you know many "audiophiles" :roll: test their perverse systems out with Radiohead and the Pumpkins
 
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Oh, I'd also recommend Garbage highly - their songs were in pretty good rotation on the airwaves in the mid(?) 90's, so you might recognize some of their songs - unfortunately I do not have comprehensive knowledge of that band as much as I'd like, but I can't have it all, can I? :)

Garbage
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- The Trick is to Kepp Breathing
- Special
- You Look So Fine
- Cup of Coffee

I'd also recommend Queens of the Stone Age - it's . . . uh, "angsty": not in "I'm a teenager and I'm going to scream because I'm angsty" but just . . . "dreary". Not similar to NIN or Korn either. Kinda goes hand-in-hand if I was to recommend Garbage, IMO. ;) Again, I don't know that much about them, but I'll list some songs I like.

Queens of the Stone Age
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- If Only
- The Lost Art of Keeping a Secret
- No One Knows

Just so y'all know, I'm not some angst-ridden antisocial (well, I *do* post here so there's some of that, I suppose) miscreant who spends all his time on ATOT. I am a well-adjusted normal contributing (well, that might be pushing it) member of society that spends all his time on ATOT. I listen to stuff like Simon and Garfunkel, Barenakedladies, Eagles, Kenny Rogers, but I don't really think that'd be his cup of tea.
 

UglyCasanova

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Mogwai
Modest Mouse
Dirty Three
The Postal Service
Slint
Six Parts Seven
Cat Power
Built to Spill
Afghan Whigs
Twilight Singers
Mogwai
Godspeed You! Black Emperor
Sigur Ros
Mercury Rev
Dntel
The Albulm Leaf
The Toadies
Yo La Tengo
Low
Boards of Canada
Arab Strap
Broken Social Scene
Creeper Lagoon
Damien Jurado
Hood
KC Accidental
Labradford
Do Make Say Think
Pinback
Tarentel
oh and uhhhh.....
Mogwai

man I'm drunker than anything I'm going to bed. If you can't find any good music in that list then you're fvcked.
 

chuckywang

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Tom Waits - Small Change (album)
Don Henley - The End of the Innocence (album) and Building the Perfect Beast (album)
Bruce Springsteen - just about any album
 

yoda291

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Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: yoda291
Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: yoda291
Originally posted by: dsfunk
yoda291, I tried to read your last post, but I couldn't finish

sry, cliffs notes:

I called both Nirvana and Britney Spears huge marketing giants and JoeKing got offended. or he got offended at something else, I'm not quite sure anymore.

not offended, just frustrated. I'm the kind of person that can't stand a whiney kid that keeps asking why? Why? Why?

Why don't you just find out for yourself and stfu?

Well then now I'm confused. In the opening post, I am asking that you provide a reasoning behind your suggestion, even using the word "why". If this is something that irritates you personally...shouldn't you have just moved onto another thread and avoided the irritation?

Have you actually listened to any of the music I listed? Not general songs by the band, but the specific songs or albums I mentioned? $10 says you WILL feel like an asshat. I'll have you know many "audiophiles" :roll: test their perverse systems out with Radiohead and the Pumpkins

Being neither here nor there...I'll be the first one to say I have not heard the body of radiohead's works nor do I even have a minimal knowledge about the canon of music between the smashing pumpkins. If only there were a thread where someone could tell me why their music is so great ... oh wait. Admittedly, at some point in the future, I may or may not pick up one of their albums. More likely than not, I'll end up borrowing from a friend. If the music impresses me, then it impresses me. If it doesn't, whatever.

To me, it seems you're getting all worked up over this. Normally, I'd just expect you to make some snarky comment I make snarky reply or vice-versa, and life goes on. Apparently it's vitally important to you that I listen to these bands though. And coming into this thread having problems with people asking why, that's kinda like purposely sticking your hand in a fire and then complaining about the burns, no? Would it make you feel better if I said you were right and I was wrong?

I was wrong, and JoeKing was right. Where I once listened to Britney Spears, I have been shown the light. I now listen solely to the awesomeness that is Radiohead and Smashing Pumpkins. Furthermore, Britney Spears and Nirvana have absolutely nothing in common. Going forward, I will refrain from asking "why" of JoeKing.

Now you just need someone to do a QFT (kinda like an ATOT notary service), maybe drop it into a sig and there you go. You win.

 

yoda291

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Originally posted by: Jehovah
Oh, I'd also recommend Garbage highly - their songs were in pretty good rotation on the airwaves in the mid(?) 90's, so you might recognize some of their songs - unfortunately I do not have comprehensive knowledge of that band as much as I'd like, but I can't have it all, can I? :)

Garbage
---

- The Trick is to Kepp Breathing
- Special
- You Look So Fine
- Cup of Coffee

I'd also recommend Queens of the Stone Age - it's . . . uh, "angsty": not in "I'm a teenager and I'm going to scream because I'm angsty" but just . . . "dreary". Not similar to NIN or Korn either. Kinda goes hand-in-hand if I was to recommend Garbage, IMO. ;) Again, I don't know that much about them, but I'll list some songs I like.

Queens of the Stone Age
---

- If Only
- The Lost Art of Keeping a Secret
- No One Knows

Just so y'all know, I'm not some angst-ridden antisocial (well, I *do* post here so there's some of that, I suppose) miscreant who spends all his time on ATOT. I am a well-adjusted normal contributing (well, that might be pushing it) member of society that spends all his time on ATOT. I listen to stuff like Simon and Garfunkel, Barenakedladies, Eagles, Kenny Rogers, but I don't really think that'd be his cup of tea.

I have listened to Garbage's title album and it didn't really agree with me. Has their music changed significantly since then?