Multiple deadly attacks on Churches in Sri Lanka

[Vic]

They went out of their way to not say the word Christian. They aren’t typically referred to as Easter worshippers are you know that, why dance around not saying Christians?

Why are you so PC and against free speech you disagree with?

 

[Vic]

It's not Islam though, it's a bunch of guys that happen to be Islamic.

Bingo. Blaming innocents based on a tenuous guilt by association only perpetuates the division and the violence. More to the point, blaming innocents also makes it harder to bring to justice those actually responsible.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Why are so PC and against free speech you disagree with?

It's part of the continuing campaign to discredit anyone and everyone who isn't a true beleiber. It's a tried and true strategy used to help create the conditions needed for fascism to flourish.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

Oddly enough I don't remember you being this angry about when victims of terrorist attacks on the Hajj are called 'pilgrims' instead of 'Muslims' despite their faith being far more certain. Is there a reason?

I'll admit it: I was getting a little caught up in the whole "Easter worshipers" thingy too, until I read posts like this. This is a great point right here, thanks for this. And yes, my derp for not seeing this point myself, but that's what friends are for.

 

[JEDIYoda]

As terrible as that is, there is a difference between property damage to structures and 200+ people getting blown up for their faith. I know you've been conditioned to be a victim, and all your post reads as is a cry for attention, a whiny way of saying "what about me, don't forget about me, I am a victim too," but come on guy.

Also, the country does not in any way celebrate what that guy did to those churches, he was caught and rightfully so will carry a very large penalty for his hateful crimes. That hasn't changed under Trump.

The perp was also a Republican...go figure....

 

[WelshBloke]

Be honest, not mentioning the type of church is pretty odd for a news media report.

You know, just like how the NZ shooter shot up MUSLIM churches - not a Ramadan church?

But hey - I guess it's a lot like when the news media reports a muslim nutjob he is no longer muslim - he's an "Islamic extremist" heh. Oh the hypocrisy is quite hilarious.

Eh. You've never seen a news report go "terrorists targeted people celebrating Ramadan"?

It's like some of you either dont understand language, have a very limited spread of news sources or are desperate to find something to be outraged about.

Easter worshippers just means that they are people worshipping at Easter. It gives more context than just people attending church, it explains why the churches were so full and that the terrorists likely targeted them for that reason.

It's a total comprehension fail to think that its phrased that way because news sources are trying to avoid the word Christian.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Then we should go back further and count everything, including the Oklahoma city bombing. Either way you look at it, you are fantastically unlikely to ever die from a terrorist attack.

It’s not a question of statistical likelihood of death. I am fantastically unlikely to die from a school shooting, yet I support gun regulations and also addressing the ideology that fuels our infatuation with guns.

The same as how our society needs to do more to silence the voices that fuel the alt-right, the Islamic world can do more...all the more difficult when you have instances of state sponsored radicalism.

I need to find the article, but statistically and globally, the person most likely to die from a terrorist attack is a Muslim, at the hands of another Muslim.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Another typical P&N thread. Thread hijacked and the original issue is sidetracked and derailed successfully by both sides. Congrats folks.

We love to count angels dancing on the head of pins.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Serious question. Why obfuscate? Whether you like it or not, that word choice was ill chosen. I seriously doubt that if something similar happened at several mosques during Ramadan, that the phrase would be 'Ramadan worshipers'.

Uhmm, isn't Christianity the only religion that celebrates Easter? Who would it be other than Christians? Do you not notice the irony in saying people are afraid of offending others these days and then freaking out when you think the victims were referred to by the slightly wrong word? This thread will serve as a great resource for the next time any conservative complains about PC culture or liberal snowflakes.

'THEY WERE ONLY REFERRED TO AS PEOPLE WORSHIPING CHRISTIANITY'S MOST SACRED HOLIDAY, NOT AS CHRISTIANS. BAWWWWWW.'

 

[fskimospy]

Serious question. Why obfuscate? Whether you like it or not, that word choice was ill chosen. I seriously doubt that if something similar happened at several mosques during Ramadan, that the phrase would be 'Ramadan worshipers'.

Serious answer, as I already mentioned in this thread exactly this sort of thing happens with Muslims. When there were terrorist attacks on the Hajj the victims were often referred to as 'pilgrims', not 'Muslim pilgrims' or 'Muslims' or whatever else. This is true even though the Hajj is an exclusively religious event from my understanding and people attending Easter services are often secular.

Can you explain why US conservatives were not similarly outraged by the smears against Islam for not mentioning that Hajj victims were Muslim?

 

[FerrelGeek]

Can't say for others, but I'm not into obfuscation. I can only speak for myself. As to your latter point, I despise any form of 'religion-based' terrorism. I despise the Westboro Baptist types, any groups labeling themselves as Christian beating up Muslims, blowing up masques, shooting Muslim worshipers, etc. I despise the Muslim terrorists in Africa that are engaging in wholesale slaughter of Christians. I despise whoever is engaged in the vandalism and desecration of literally dozens of churches in western Europe.

It's all so bloody effing stupid.

Serious answer, as I already mentioned in this thread exactly this sort of thing happens with Muslims. When there were terrorist attacks on the Hajj the victims were often referred to as 'pilgrims', not 'Muslim pilgrims' or 'Muslims' or whatever else. This is true even though the Hajj is an exclusively religious event from my understanding and people attending Easter services are often secular.

Can you explain why US conservatives were not similarly outraged by the smears against Islam for not mentioning that Hajj victims were Muslim?

 

[fskimospy]

Can't say for others, but I'm not into obfuscation. I can only speak for myself. As to your latter point, I despise any form of 'religion-based' terrorism. I despise the Westboro Baptist types, any groups labeling themselves as Christian beating up Muslims, blowing up masques, shooting Muslim worshipers, etc. I despise the Muslim terrorists in Africa that are engaging in wholesale slaughter of Christians. I despise whoever is engaged in the vandalism and desecration of literally dozens of churches in western Europe.

It's all so bloody effing stupid.

As woolfe asked though, what's the obfuscation? Like, what's the plan here? Was Obama hoping that people wouldn't realize that people worshiping Easter were Christians?

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Can't say for others, but I'm not into obfuscation. I can only speak for myself. As to your latter point, I despise any form of 'religion-based' terrorism. I despise the Westboro Baptist types, any groups labeling themselves as Christian beating up Muslims, blowing up masques, shooting Muslim worshipers, etc. I despise the Muslim terrorists in Africa that are engaging in wholesale slaughter of Christians. I despise whoever is engaged in the vandalism and desecration of literally dozens of churches in western Europe.

It's all so bloody effing stupid.

How about: it's an incorrect label? If not everyone at the celebration was Christian, but everyone at the celebration was celebrating Easter, isn't it more appropriate to say that it was those celebrating Easter that were targeted, not Christians? Bear in mind that the holiday falling on/around Easter wasn't originally Christian, nor is it exclusively.

 

[Luna1968]

Serious answer, as I already mentioned in this thread exactly this sort of thing happens with Muslims. When there were terrorist attacks on the Hajj the victims were often referred to as 'pilgrims', not 'Muslim pilgrims' or 'Muslims' or whatever else. This is true even though the Hajj is an exclusively religious event from my understanding and people attending Easter services are often secular.

Can you explain why US conservatives were not similarly outraged by the smears against Islam for not mentioning that Hajj victims were Muslim?

Christians can't be victims. Jews can't be victims. Only the poor, down-trodden, peace loving Muslims can be true victims. At least that's what the libtards want you to believe. And Easter is not a day of redemption Obummer. It is Resurrection Day. I don't worship Easter, I worship a Risen Savior!!!!

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Christians can't be victims. Jews can't be victims. Only the poor, down-trodden, peace loving Muslims can be true victims. At least that's what the libtards want you to believe. And Easter is not a day of redemption Obummer. It is Resurrection Day. I don't worship Easter, I worship a Risen Savior!!!!

You worship the dying relic of a forgotten age, and you worship the hatred of the foreigner. I hope you don't have children.

 

[Luna1968]

How about: it's an incorrect label? If not everyone at the celebration was Christian, but everyone at the celebration was celebrating Easter, isn't it more appropriate to say that it was those celebrating Easter that were targeted, not Christians? Bear in mind that the holiday falling on/around Easter wasn't originally Christian, nor is it exclusively.

none of that matters. Christians were targeted on a christian holy day. full stop.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

none of that matters. Christians were targeted on a christian holy day. full stop.

Sorry, did you read the attacker's manifesto over in the corner there? You know that person's intentions?

Labels still matter, I'd be pissed if someone labeled me a Christian because I was at an Easter celebration.

 

[fskimospy]

Christians can't be victims. Jews can't be victims. Only the poor, down-trodden, peace loving Muslims can be true victims. At least that's what the libtards want you to believe. And Easter is not a day of redemption Obummer. It is Resurrection Day. I don't worship Easter, I worship a Risen Savior!!!!

What kind of weird persecution fantasy is this? I cannot think of a single religious group in the US that more consistently paints themselves as victims than Christians. You guys have taken it so far that not only are you victims when you're discriminated against (true!) you're also victims when you aren't allowed to discriminate against others.

If you want to argue with Barack Obama about Christian theology then knock yourself out.

 

[fskimospy]

Sorry, did you read the attacker's manifesto over in the corner there? You know that person's intentions?

Labels still matter, I'd be pissed if someone labeled me a Christian because I was at an Easter celebration.

This is very true, I've been to numerous Easter and Christmas services out of respect for friends and family. Also, I like Christmas music a lot.

The religion itself though? No, I would not be happy if someone saw me walking in to one of those services and decided that I believed in a magical man in the sky.

 

[woolfe9998]

It’s not a question of statistical likelihood of death. I am fantastically unlikely to die from a school shooting, yet I support gun regulations and also addressing the ideology that fuels our infatuation with guns.

The same as how our society needs to do more to silence the voices that fuel the alt-right, the Islamic world can do more...all the more difficult when you have instances of state sponsored radicalism.

I need to find the article, but statistically and globally, the person most likely to die from a terrorist attack is a Muslim, at the hands of another Muslim.

Fear of Islamic terrorism is over-inflated by the right. This is used to fuel Islamophobia. Which, in turn, is directly related to incidents like what happened in New Zealand. The shooter there had been fed a steady diet of right wing media, the Aussie equivalent of Fox News. And this attack in Sri Lanka now appears to be a retaliation for Christchurch. The best way to tamp down terrorism is to not oversell fear, because too much fear results in demonization of whole religions and/or ethnic groups, which results in further violence, a cycle which does not end.

It also may result in erosion of civil liberties as democracies cater to the heightened fear of their voters over what is statistically a tiny number of deaths.

I'm not saying our government shouldn't take steps to stop terrorism. They most definitely should. But overselling this fear to the populace has terrible consequences. If nothing else it plays right into the terrorists' hands.

 

[woolfe9998]

Christians can't be victims. Jews can't be victims. Only the poor, down-trodden, peace loving Muslims can be true victims. At least that's what the libtards want you to believe. And Easter is not a day of redemption Obummer. It is Resurrection Day. I don't worship Easter, I worship a Risen Savior!!!!

You know what you're doing with this ridiculous word parsing? You're giving these terrorists exactly what they want, to sow divisions within the west. If we're going to be divided, it should at least be over something of more consequence than this.

 

[Vic]

Christians can't be victims. Jews can't be victims. Only the poor, down-trodden, peace loving Muslims can be true victims. At least that's what the libtards want you to believe. And Easter is not a day of redemption Obummer. It is Resurrection Day. I don't worship Easter, I worship a Risen Savior!!!!

This mindset is not only ridiculous in its paranoid victimhood, but it also only serves to perpetuate the violence.

What the 'libtards' want you to believe is that people are individuals, responsible for their own actions, and NOT groups that you can blame through guilt by association, for the purposes of your own hate and bigotry.

And BTW, Obama and Hillary are both Christians.

 

[alien42]

ISIS has claimed responsibility for the attacks. Thankfully we all know this is fake news because hair furer told us they were defeated.

 

[UNCjigga]

Muslims are even likelier to be the victims of jihadist violence, since most of the bombings and attacks take place in countries with a significant Muslim population. Sunni vs. Shia, Shia vs. Sunni, everyone vs Hazaras, Ishmaelis etc.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1120302203686850560

I wonder if we’re doing anything to track all the ISIS returnees as they go back to their home countries. Probably makes sense to target/track their movements rather than waste money and manpower on blanket travel bans.

 

[Luna1968]

What the 'libtards' want you to believe is that people are individuals, responsible for their own actions, and NOT groups that you can blame through guilt by association, for the purposes of your own hate and bigotry.

this forum is packed full of fanatical hate towards republicans and trump supporters as ALL being racist. pretty sure you are at the head of the pack but im too lazy to use the search feature.