Multiple attacks in Paris

[desura]

Holy moly.

 

[ghost recon88]

Maybe now people will get serious about the threat that is ISIS...

 

[waggy]

Maybe now people will get serious about the threat that is ISIS...

and rethink taking a shit loads of Muslim refuges.


I feel bad for those that have nothing to do with this. now all Muslim refuges are going to be distrusted..more then they were.

 

[Mai72]

I'm scared. : (

 

[JSt0rm]

Supporters of ISIS are saying Rome, London, and Washington D.C. are next.

Skynews reporting that a city official has put the confirmed death toll at 118 at the Bataclan Concert Hall and 40 others in other locations.

That toll will certainly rise in the coming hours.

Washington dc? Thats like the most militarized city in the world. Why not pick a softer target like some southern city. That would pull all the south into a never ending god war with isis as they want Im sure.

 

[JSt0rm]

I'm scared. : (

Now is the time to vote away your rights.

 

[Mai72]

and rethink taking a shit loads of Muslim refuges.


I feel bad for those that have nothing to do with this. now all Muslim refuges are going to be distrusted..more then they were.

Yea. I was thinking the same. Europe is going to have a huge crisis in the future w/ radical Muslims. Stomping stuff like this is incredibly difficult because a handful of people can cause widespread panic. It's nearly impossible to stamp out.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Maybe now people will get serious about the threat that is ISIS...

That. It's possible that some good can come from this. Now that ISIS has proven that they're more than an "over there" problem, the rest of the world will hopefully get their shit together and get serious about wiping those fuckbags out once and for all before they do it again. This could be for ISIS what Pearl Harbor was for Japan, a tactical victory but a strategic blunder. Europe was showing no signs of caring much about ISIS, now Europe doesn't have that luxury. They have to get involved and fight ISIS in the middle east rather than waiting for them to hit other targets in Europe.

 

[olds]

Sep 11
Friday 13th
Hmmm....

 

[waggy]

Washington dc? Thats like the most militarized city in the world. Why not pick a softer target like some southern city. That would pull all the south into a never ending god war with isis as they want Im sure.

yep. hitting DC> why? it would force the politicians ot go against them. Continue to hit other cities. they will just erode the rights of US citizens and consolidate the power politicians have.

 

[IEC]

yep. hitting DC> why? it would force the politicians ot go against them. Continue to hit other cities. they will just erode the rights of US citizens and consolidate the power politicians have.

My guess?

Rome represents Western civilization.
London represents the British Empire of old.
D.C. represents the American "empire"

All of which are seen as evil and targets of conquest by ISIS fanatics.

ISIS believes they are the advent of the apocalypse, and are doing their damndest to bring it about:
http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

Don't think of them as 21st century actors even though they may utilize 21st century technology. They are thinking in 7th century terms.

 

[Mai72]

Washington dc? Thats like the most militarized city in the world. Why not pick a softer target like some southern city. That would pull all the south into a never ending god war with isis as they want Im sure.

Yep. There are so many soft targets in America that the terrorists don't need to pick Washington DC. The thing with terrorism is they have the upper hand. They can wait for a long time before they attack. They aren't scared to die, because deep down they feel like they are fighting for something much bigger.

How do you fight something like this? It's very difficult. Maybe even impossible.

 

[JSt0rm]

How do you fight something like this? It's very difficukt. Maybe even impossible.

Certainly not with education and opportunity.

 

[Mai72]

That. It's possible that some good can come from this. Now that ISIS has proven that they're more than an "over there" problem, the rest of the world will hopefully get their shit together and get serious about wiping those fuckbags out once and for all before they do it again. This could be for ISIS what Pearl Harbor was for Japan, a tactical victory but a strategic blunder. Europe was showing no signs of caring much about ISIS, now Europe doesn't have that luxury. They have to get involved and fight ISIS in the middle east rather than waiting for them to hit other targets in Europe.

The problem is you only need a few people who agree with ISIS. They could be living in France, Germany, USA, etc... How would you fight that when they aren't even on the battlefield? So, even if you defeat ISIS the bigger issue might be at home where many people are living a regular life.

 

[Capt Caveman]

and rethink taking a shit loads of Muslim refuges.


I feel bad for those that have nothing to do with this. now all Muslim refuges are going to be distrusted..more then they were.

CNN and other news stations are talking about there are 1700 nationals(born and raised) identified in France as ISIS sympathizers, so the refugee crisis is not the source of what happened today. We have US born and raised that have allowed themselves to be radicalized.

 

[iamwiz82]

My guess?

Rome represents Western civilization.
London represents the British Empire of old.
D.C. represents the American "empire"

All of which are seen as evil and targets of conquest by ISIS fanatics.

ISIS believes they are the advent of the apocalypse, and are doing their damndest to bring it about:
http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

Don't think of them as 21st century actors even though they may utilize 21st century technology. They are thinking in 7th century terms.

Even then, they are not stupid people. You do not want to storm a fortified city. They will go after a US city that has strict gun laws. A place where they are more likely to succeed.

 

[K7SN]

Maybe now people will get serious about the threat that is ISIS...

ISIS usually is quick to claim responsibility; haven't heard anything yet on anyone claiming they did. CBS news (West Coast) as I type this: "If this turns out to be middle east or even Al-Qæda...." The French have no friends in Yemen, Syria, etc...

If we were quick to place the blame I received this email an hour and a half before the thread was start.

It's hard to believe they could stoop this low.

While the world is coming together to address climate change, the climate-denying Heartland Institute launched a crowdfunding campaign dubbed "Pandemonium in Paris." It plans to send discredited scientists to Paris to distract from the UN climate negotiations this December.

Would you blame the "Climate deniers" or the senders of the message above?

Do we have any takers to throw gasoline on the fire and blame Al-Qæda, ISIS, Climate change deniers and those who sent the above message. Bad timing I believe; let's see what develops over the weekend at least.

 

[Ruptga]

Yes but its a route in by hiding among the migrants no?

No. I mean yeah but that's misleading so, in one word, no.

Open borders or not has little to do with this, immigrants are generally more law abiding than native-born citizens.

And why shouldn't they be, they constantly have the "X for the X-icans" people breathing down their necks, and the constant threat of deportation hanging over their heads. Unless you're going to tell me that a closed border will definitely keep highly motivated terrorists out, closing borders would do more harm than good.

Talk of "closing borders" is just scapegoating and security theater. Borders can never be fully closed, not even in North Korea, and being a dick to immigrant communities would just be cutting off our nose to spite our face. If we're so concerned about demographic groups that are statistically prone to violence and crime we should be deporting our native-born.

 

[flexy]

The problem is you only need a few people who agree with ISIS. They could be living in France, Germany, USA, etc... .

Or in Syria, Lebanon, Afghanistan, Iraq or Saudi Arabia...

People don't realize there is no confined "ISIS area" that can "just" be attacked. Even in those areas where we know that ISIS is you cannot just assume that everyone there belongs to them.

Said differently: "Fighting" and defeating ISIS would be incredibly difficult, this is not some military action where you bomb and send cruise missiles and in a week it's over. It would require a MASSIVE presence of forces in all those countries, I am talking many decades...and this would of course not address those ISIS members/supporters which are in "our" countries already, be it the US or W. Europe.

We are not going in there because we (US, Obama etc.) KNOW it would be a commitment of epic proportions, not just some "weekend bombardment" and then everything's done.

** The other problem people often don't realize:

Pretty much like w/ Al Qaeda, ISIS is not necessarily a strongly organized group with some central location (as mentioned above)...in principle EVERY supporter here and there could be a potential terrorist and ISIS supporter. They are loosely organized.

 

[88keys]

Muslims are thousands of years behind the rest of the world in terms of social progress yet they exist and fight with 21st century weapons . What they believe and how they act is simply not compatible with the rest of the world. They should be treated like a global pest problem and exterminated like one.

Take your hate speech elsewhere.
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[ctbaars]

To French citizens specifically and world citizens in general; may you find comfort, peace and love around you. My heart goes out to you.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Muslims are thousands of years behind the rest of the world in terms of social progress yet they exist and fight with 21st century weapons . What they believe and how they act is simply not compatible with the rest of the world. They should be treated like a global pest problem and exterminated like one.

Don't have any Muslim friends do you?

 

[destrekor]

:rose;

 

[SSSnail]

Don't have any Muslim friends do you?

Kinda hard to befriend people that wants to kill you because you don't believe the same thing they do. It's in the very text book that they so believe in.

So, either you think they don't believe their text book, if you think they're your friend, or you're an idiot for thinking that they won't want to kill you.

 

[flexy]

I live in Spain (and used to live in Berlin), LOTS of Muslims here. Neighbor was a Muslim. Believe it or not, he speaks several (4 or 5) languages fluently and those people do normal things like watching sports on TV, raising children or eating and drinking. I kid you not! UN-FRICKING-BELIEVABLE!
But I guess since I am now stating that the vast majority of Muslims are in fact totally normal human beings I am now a crazy liberal