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HomerJS

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The only way to get the average person to read this report is to get Netflix to turn it into a movie.
 

SMOGZINN

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So, the end result of Muellers investigation is that we should no longer appoint special councils because they can't do the job Congress is asking of them. Mueller is basically saying that he can not actually investigate a President.
 

Jimzz

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“If we had confidence that the president had clearly not committed a crime we would have said so,” said Mueller

Damm, kinda hard to not understand what hes saying there. Wonder how republicans and fox will twist it to sound like a good thing.
 
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Maxima1

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You know what's not a good idea? Attacking people as you have because he didn't say exactly what you wanted. Anyone who calls Mueller a coward doesn't know the least bit about him and a Republican? Yeah he is. So we line them all up and shoot them because "we all know" that no true Republican" can have an ethical bone in his body?

Sounds a lot like Republicans and Trump about Dems, too much for me.

If anything, people have been fellating Mueller. They did the same with Rosenstein and Comey....
 

brycejones

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I guess question #1 in any hearings should be for anyone besides the President would a criminal indictment have been recommended?
 

akenbennu

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I guess question #1 in any hearings should be for anyone besides the President would a criminal indictment have been recommended?


There's already been one in the Cohen plea, Individual 1, except they couldn't actually do an indictment since it's the President.
 
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Here is why our current extreme partisanship is dangerous
I saw Camille Harris saying if elected she would order the DOJ to review the memo saying a President can’t be charged. My first thought was typical democrat trying to establish rules & processes, I’d bet the week after that order is removed some Republican committee would have her charged with something trivial and next Republican President would advise the the memo not to indict Presidents be restored.
 
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ivwshane

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I just read the transcript of his speech and it appears that his address was a complete waste of time as he simply restated what was in the report. His refusal to go in front of Congress was noteworthy but as he said, its all in the report.
 
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JEDIYoda

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I just read the transcript of his speech and it appears that his address was a complete waste of time as he simply restated what was in the report. His refusal to go in front of Congress was noteworthy but as he said, its all in the report.
A heavily redacted report that Barr orchestrated so he could cover for trump!
 

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“If we had confidence that the president had clearly not committed a crime we would have said so,” said Mueller

Damm, kinda hard to not understand what hes saying there. Wonder how republicans and fox will twist it to sound like a good thing.

Witch hunt! Treason! So biased! Tainted FBI! Spying on Americans!

Hail Trump, the greatest con artist who ever lived! Trump the Great! Trump the Magnificent!
 
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I just read the transcript of his speech and it appears that his address was a complete waste of time as he simply restated what was in the report. His refusal to go in front of Congress was noteworthy but as he said, its all in the report.

He said that he is not allowed to say the President committed obstruction of justice, but he can say that the president didn't NOT commit obstruction of justice.
 

Moonbeam

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If we could have cleared Trump we would have cleared him. But we could not charge him because we are not allowed to charge him. Therefore, because, if we could not clear him nor charge him while President unless he is impeached he gets away Scott free or until after he finishes his term destroying the nation including no action being taken to prevent further support by Russia for Trump in 2020.
 
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ivwshane

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He said that he is not allowed to say the President committed obstruction of justice, but he can say that the president didn't NOT commit obstruction of justice.

Yeah which is exactly what the report said. He gave exactly zero new information today.

The only positive is that those who don't bother reading the report can hear from his own mouth what those who did read the report already knew.
 

HomerJS

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I just read the transcript of his speech and it appears that his address was a complete waste of time as he simply restated what was in the report. His refusal to go in front of Congress was noteworthy but as he said, its all in the report.
Mueller is a rule follower. Now that he is no longer a DOJ employee Nadler need to get the subpoena sent for him to testify in public. He will show up.
 

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Yeah which is exactly what the report said. He gave exactly zero new information today.

The only positive is that those who don't bother reading the report can hear from his own mouth what those who did read the report already knew.

Well the administration keeps broadcasting that the report said 'NO Obstruction, NO Collusion' Mueller is pushing back against that. Yes, anyone that read the report would have seen that is not what it says, but it is obvious from what we see here that we needed someone connected to the report to say so directly. Now to keep that misinformation they are going to have to basically ignore the words of the person that wrote it.
 

fskimospy

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One question I have is that when you say it is unfair charge a President of a crime while in office because he can't be tried and therefore can't defend himself, how fair is that to the people of the nation of which he's the President? It seems to me like a very one sided view of fairness. The one thing that would balance that out, however, would be to remove the President by impeachment and all that would tell you he should be impeached is in the report.

While I agree in a practical sense it's way more unfair to saddle the country with a criminal president that on at least some level Mueller knows will not be removed by impeachment I do get that in a legal sense the fact that we decline to use the measures available to us are our fault, not Mueller's, and Mueller can't say what Congress should do because it's not his business.
 

HomerJS

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Yeah which is exactly what the report said. He gave exactly zero new information today.

The only positive is that those who don't bother reading the report can hear from his own mouth what those who did read the report already knew.
Television can be a game changer. People didn't care during Watergate until live testimony from John Dean
 

VRAMdemon

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I got four takaways:

- Trump was not charged with obstruction because he is the president. This is the only reason.

- Mueller's report speaks for itself, and he won't make any other comments beyond the report, to the public or to congress

- The investigators and the FBI did a great job, they are patriots, and any "investigation of the investigators" is wrong.

- The Russians made systematic efforts to interfere in the US election, and this should be taken VERY seriously by everyone.

It is very much you read between the lines: I can’t indict him; you have to impeach. He refuses to make himself and his staff the point of the spear. I think it is his duty to do so, but it wasn't his job. He did his job, there it is.

Yes, the report speaks for itself...but unfortunately there are people who are actively denying and lying about what the report says.

Ok, Nancy, Tag! You're it!
 
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Hayabusa Rider

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Fine you don't charge the President, what about Jr and Kushner?

We don't know about them. There are other investigations pending, some in the SDNY. If Jr et. al. are being looked at then nothing about that would be mentioned.