Mueller talking to congress

[Hayabusa Rider]

Mueller's job was to find and produce the required evidence of those events and he couldn't. Spin Mueller's presser however you wish but those are the facts.

What he couldn't do is prosecute because of the Office, at least in the DOJ's opinion, and that is what Mueller said. He could have said that there is insufficient evidence regarding obstruction but no he did not. He also voiced no confidence in Trump's innocence and as good as told America that impeachment needs to happen otherwise he would not have mentioned that either.

If impeachment happens then Mueller knows that he will almost certainly be testifying and that the DOJ rules no longer apply. He's not answering to the Executive, but the American public through the House and that is where his obligations lie.

 

[brycejones]

Fuck off.

Lol poor snowflake.

 

[ch33zw1z]

The silver lining you are pushing here is that Mueller didn't find sufficient evidence of conspiracy ..... but because of the the rampant obstruction the Trump admin engaged in the investigation was limited.

He also detailed how the Russian government stole emails and other information and distributed their propaganda and misinformation through WikiLeaks.
Who loves WikiLeaks again?

At best we have immoral opportunism and being aided by a hostile foreign power.

How actively Trump was engaged with Russia is indeterminate due to the lies and cover up.

That's what Mueller said.

You have to wonder why so much lying, regardless, the lies and cover up itself is a serious felony and impeachable offense.

Pcgeek is getting his dancing shoes right now.

 

[brycejones]

Why is it that I read that as goat raping?

Pcgeek does not rape goats no matter how much people are talking about pckgeek11’s rape of goats. He spends a long time wooing them and then makes sweet love to them. At least that is what people are saying some in this very thread when it comes to pcgeek11’s goat fucking.

 

[brycejones]

Pcgeek is getting his dancing shoes right now.

He doesn’t dance he just says I said what I said and I am what I am. He just happens to be a willfully ignorant petulant man baby.

 

[dawp]

I'm starting to feel we are close to where impeachment hearings should start.

March was too early, but events and momentum are moving quickly imo.

Mueller needs to be called to testify, even if it's just to read the report out loud. That's the only way many millions will ever hear it.

I'd give it about 6mo. if not sooner for the inquiry to start.

 

[DrDoug]

Why is it that I read that as goat raping?

I have that problem too as my eyes get older...

For those who keep denying that Donny Two-Scoops didn't break the law, pay close attention to what Mueller said here: "When a subject of an investigation obstructs that investigation or lies to investigators, it strikes at the core of the government’s effort to find the truth and hold wrong doers accountable." Notice that he said "When a subject", not "If a subject..." At this point it really doesn't matter whatever about Russia, obstruction in itself is a crime even if there had been no crime to obstruct.

Combover Caligula basically admitted that he committed crimes when he crowed on twitter yesterday:

Nothing changes from the Mueller Report. There was insufficient evidence and therefore, in our Country, a person is innocent. The case is closed! Thank you.

"There was insufficient evidence" and therefore he "is innocent". No denial any more, just that Mueller couldn't prove it. He was crowing that he got away with it and now there's nothing we can do.

What a piece of shit.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

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This is what I mean. I can Quote directly from a document we all have access to and this is what I get. LOL what a joke.

Let's assume you are correct about the IRA. That doesn't in any way address conspiring with Russia, just various media manipulations. Doesn't address the Trump tower meetings, Jr. activities etc. We know from public accounts that many things did happen. We know that lengths were taken to prevent Trump and Co's Russian activities were concealed or destroyed. We also know that Dems and Hillary were the targets of Russia and that Trump and his treason nonsense is just that. If conspiracy charges were brought and you are correct then the IRA wouldn't even be mentioned but all else is fair game. So what would be better is to find where there was no evidence that there was no one involved with the Russians and I think you will have problems with that. This really is all dancing on the head of a pin instead of focusing on the fact that Mueller damned this administration as far as possible and sent a clear statement to the People that impeachment is the next step.

 

[ewdotson]

It was also stated that No US Citizens were involved or colluded with the Russians in those efforts. I think everybody or at least most people know this is a fact and it happened during Obama's time in office.

If it happens again in 2020 it is on Trump's watch.

My post wasn't about assigning blame for past interference, it was about the need for the country to do what it can to prevent future interference. Actually, that should probably be "present and future".

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

You like that he said he has no evidence of collusion between Trump and Russia?

And neither are you or I

I didn't see this for my last post. Would you find the statement in the report which said there was no evidence of any cooperation at any level by any party associated with Russian interest? Did Mueller himself exonerate Trump on all things Russian related, meaning zero connections?

 

[HomerJS]

You like that he said he has no evidence of collusion between Trump and Russia?

And neither are you or I

He did not say that.

He said

This volume includes a discussion of the Trump campaign’s response to this activity, as well as our conclusion that there was insufficient evidence to charge a broader conspiracy.

That is completely different then "no evidence"

You are just as bad as the rest of the Trumptards, misleading and outright lying. Same reason Barr is so good as Trump's personal spinner.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

My post wasn't about assigning blame for past interference, it was about the need for the country to do what it can to prevent future interference. Actually, that should probably be "present and future".

Trump has acted to encourage Russia and the Reps as always being complicit. Right now there is a lesson to be learned by future Presidents and a critical one, precisely what one can get away with in Office. If there is an impeachment then there can be an accounting and exposure regardless of Senate outcome. If there isn't one then a President would understand that upholding Constitutional responsibilities of lesser concerns than losing or making political hay. One can indeed commit overt crimes with impunity.

The IRA is so far down the list of relevancies as are Nancy's political calculus when properly weighed against the enormity of improper and outright criminal acts that will be allowed or denied to stand. All of that to be determined by precedent that the House sets in the next few months. Allow all the interference, obstruction, lawbreaking on too many fronts to count or stand against it, now and forever. There is a time and place to say "you shall not pass" outside books and movies and that would be now.

 

[Bitek]

I'd give it about 6mo. if not sooner for the inquiry to start.

Yeah, I can't imagine Pelosi can hold off through the entire year.

I feel like we're just a few court decisions/ public testimonies away from the dam breaking.

It will also be tremendously disruptive to the primaries and election.

I wonder if Pelosi is trying to gameplan it for maximum damage for 2020.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Yeah, I can't imagine Pelosi can hold off through the entire year.

I feel like we're just a few court decisions/ public testimonies away from the dam breaking.

It will also be tremendously disruptive to the primaries and election.

I wonder if Pelosi is trying to gameplan it for maximum damage for 2020.

My sense is that 6 months is too long. If Nancy wants to go with partisan concerns over Constitutional responsibilities then postponing is to her advantage as the collective memory of voters is notoriously short.

Yesterday was historic as there will never likely be a speech by another of Mueller's breed given by his own free will in such a grave matter that was both damning and placed the burden squarely on the House and Pelosi in particular. She will want the past behind her as much as possible if she intends to take the "do not impeach" tack.

What I am hoping is that Nancy will be both a good political animal with her instincts and Constitutionally responsible, waiting until the full impact of Mueller takes hold and not waste a singular opportunity for public support. We'll see.

 

[zinfamous]

It was also stated that No US Citizens were involved or colluded with the Russians in those efforts. I think everybody or at least most people know this is a fact and it happened during Obama's time in office.

If it happens again in 2020 it is on Trump's watch.

jesus fucking christ. This is just pure, false, bullshit. Why do you repeat easily disprovable lies like this? why do you do this?

 

[zinfamous]

He also said he didn't have evidence. Think about that.

lol, no he didn't.

 

[fskimospy]

It’s very strange that Pcgeek is very willing to discuss the evidence presented in the part of the report that he think exonerates Trump (falsely) but totally unwilling to discuss the evidence in the second part of the report that describes multiple felonies by Trump in detail.

I wonder why that is.

 

[Denly]

At this point it is almost certain Trump did obstruction, the next step is to WHY he Obstruct. What is he try to hide.

 

[SMOGZINN]

I don't know if Trumps Campaign did or didn't conspire with Russia for a fact.

No we don't, because as Mueller report lays out the Administration committed multiple counts of felony obstruction of justice to prevent him from finding out. That is what we are tying to point out. When someone is willing to blatantly commit multiple felonies to keep a secret you can be pretty sure that the secret they are trying to keep is worse then the one that are using to keep it.

All I know is that 2.5 years of the Mueller investigation didn't find any evidence of it.

Not true. It did find evidence, just not enough, and it lays out a pretty convincing argument that there is good reason to believe that the reason they did not get enough was because they administration worked against them illegally to prevent them from obtaining the evidence.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

jesus fucking christ. This is just pure, false, bullshit. Why do you repeat easily disprovable lies like this? why do you do this?

What we do know from this:

"I had nothing to do with Russia helping me to get elected"- DJT

Perhaps Obama, Crooked Hillary, Comey and Conflicted Mueller were all in with the entire DNC to help Trump get elected? I mean even Trump knows Russia helped him.

 

[cytg111]

You guys are really locked into proving a negative aren't you. I don't know if Trumps Campaign did or didn't conspire with Russia for a fact. All I know is that 2.5 years of the Mueller investigation didn't find any evidence of it. I don't know why you're arguing with me about that. Those are Mueller's words.

I guess it is your frustration of Mueller not being your hero today during his press conference.

Then you, singluar, knows something nobody else does. Congrats? Are you going to try and make a buck on your scoop?

Baby steps.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1134066371510378501

And now Russia has disappeared because I had nothing to do with Russia helping me to get elected.

So Trump Twitter Fact World now include the fact that Russia DID help get Trump elected.

Do our conservative members concede this point, now its out of the asses mouth?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Then you, singluar, knows something nobody else does. Congrats? Are you going to try and make a buck on your scoop?

Baby steps.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1134066371510378501

And now Russia has disappeared because I had nothing to do with Russia helping me to get elected.

So Trump Twitter Fact World now include the fact that Russia DID help get Trump elected.

Do our conservative members concede this point, now its out of the asses mouth?

Watch how people twist themselves into pretzels over this one. Crooked Hillary worked with Russians to get elected. Russia wanted her to win.

NO!

Russia helped me win, I just made sure my hands were clean. That's so Watergate era.

 

[cytg111]

Watch how people twist themselves into pretzels over this one. Crooked Hillary worked with Russians to get elected. Russia wanted her to win.

NO!

Russia helped me win, I just made sure my hands were clean. That's so Watergate era.

Indeed. Lets establish this baseline in Trump World and inch onward from there.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Given his reasoning so far he would answer that the reason he did not indict the president was that the president was not indictable, but would refuse to speculate as to whether there were any other reasons that one would or would not indict him if he were not the president.

Basically he is saying that he can't say whether or not Vinnie the knife should be accused of murder, all he can do is report that Vinnie was seen standing over the body covered in blood saying "at last I got the bastard".

If I’ve learned one thing in this whole investigation, it’s that literally nobody in government can effectively investigate a President. Not just Trump, any President.

Congress is made up of buffoons who won’t say night is dark if it impacts their chances of re-election, which often depend on supporting a President of their own party to the bitter end.

The Justice Department has the rules stacked so that it can never find that any President ever violates the law. Nixon could have murdered a nun on TV, and under the policies carried out under the Muller report, the most an AG could conclude was that he can’t clear Nixon of the charges, but can’t comment any further. Obviously impeachment is the only way.

Id say, this is a problem.

 

[fskimospy]

Given his reasoning so far he would answer that the reason he did not indict the president was that the president was not indictable, but would refuse to speculate as to whether there were any other reasons that one would or would not indict him if he were not the president.

Basically he is saying that he can't say whether or not Vinnie the knife should be accused of murder, all he can do is report that Vinnie was seen standing over the body covered in blood saying "at last I got the bastard".

If I’ve learned one thing in this whole investigation, it’s that literally nobody in government can effectively investigate a President. Not just Trump, any President.

Congress is made up of buffoons who won’t say night is dark if it impacts their chances of re-election, which often depend on supporting a President of their own party to the bitter end.

The Justice Department has the rules stacked so that it can never find that any President ever violates the law. Nixon could have murdered a nun on TV, and under the policies carried out under the Muller report, the most an AG could conclude was that he can’t clear Nixon of the charges, but can’t comment any further. Obviously impeachment is the only way.

Id say, this is a problem.

This is why I think, no matter what, Trump must be impeached. The republicans almost certainly won’t convict but that doesn’t mean Democrats shouldn’t do their duty.

After Trump if I were president I would wake up every morning and ask myself a very simple question: ‘does my party have 34 senators?’ If so, the law no longer applies to you.