Mubarak: Arabs Hate U.S. More Than Ever

[FrancesBeansRevenge]

Originally posted by:rickn
my point is, don't go pointing fingers and calling an entire population barbarous when the skeletons in your closets aren't even dry yet. Not all Americans support the policies of our government. And don't try and downplay what Australia did to the Aborgines. It was Nazi-like. Inhumane, and with total irreverance for human life.

'Slightly less barbarous than the US' denotes admitting both populations are barbarous doesn't it?

And, you may have missed it, I am American. I've lived in Australia for nearly 7 years now (and prefer Australia) but I am still very much American and have every right to comment on the sad, despicable situation our nation is currently in... especially considering I have family in Iraq fighting what I feel is a bullshit, illegal, not to mention pointless war.

One of the saddest things about about America these days is dissent has become unAmerican when I can think of nothing MORE American than dissent and protest against the government. I prefer Australia because in the cities here there were hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people protesting the war. I think more people in Australia (and the rest of the world) are able to recognise the realities of the situation... this is, of course, only because of the disturbingly biased US media.

Our nation has been dragged into a pointless war by an administration with a prior agenda... it has cost 700 American lives, 10,000+ Iraqi civilain lives (as calculated by wrongful death claims paid by CPA) and $150Billion dollars of American tax payer money. It has also cost American prestige and respect in the eyes of a great deal of the world.

I, as an American citizen, am not happy about this and can and will complain and criticise government policies which I think are wrong, unjust and/or corrupt.

PS: I'm not sure how I downplayed the 'stolen generation' policies of Australia but if it came off that way it certainly wasn't my intention.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer
Israel are going to keep the occupied areas on the west bank, the US applauds that...

Sharon is a known terrorist and the US applaud his actions to keep thousands of palestinians in camps while stealing THEIR land?

To me this only means one thing, the US does not give a flying fvck about terrorists, they hate muslims, and that is it, now if i see it this way, how do you think the muslim world sees it?

Don't confuse the US (or North America) with Europe. Europe hates muslims.

We do? yeah, now i remember, you posted some bs written by some european nutjub, didn't want to fess up to the selective bolding in that thread but used only those words you bolded in another, the word preceding your bolded part was NEVER. That word was the most important one, of course, to trolls like yourself, these tiny things do not matter, and before you ask who i was before i was banned, let me tell you that i have been a lurker for years.

You get a cookie, now go join Infohawk under that bridge.

European government actions (as well as general society's sentiment) have caught the attention of many human rights groups, heads of international organizations such as the UN, newspapers, magazines, minority groups, and others all over the world. So, I guess you must be living under that bridge or want people to live under a bridge and pretend it doesn't exist.

I'd rather be a troll than someone wanting to oppress others.

And yet you are trying so hard to opress others by telling me that i am opressing muslims and worthless?

No, which european actions have been oppressive, just because you don't understand them does not make them oppressive, if you are really interested of the situation of arabs in europe, i am willing to discuss it, but not if you are going to state that we are opressed every time you post.

It might be me being semitic and european, but i think i know more about it than you, especially as i do not pick specific reports made by bigots and then bod out the words so it makes a statement instead of bolding the word that precedes that statement, which was NEVER, i WOULD NEVER THINK THAT is pretty different than I THINK THAT, of course, to a troll like yourself, these things do not matter.

I'm not only discussing Arabs in Europe.

So are you calling Kofi Annan a bigot?

I am done feeding you, unless you have any specifics, go cuddle with infohawk under your bridge.

Kofi Annan have done many things, some great, some not so great, it takes a bigot to only recognize the ones that were not so great while leaving out the others, a bigot like yourself...

Now, go away.

Most (probably all) of my reports I posted about these incidents were written by reporters for majors news organizations.

So I'm a bigot because I want people to be treated as equals in society? How does that make me a bigot? I think that the people that want an institutionalized second-class citizen group are the bigots.

I guess the people that wanted apartheid to be abolished in South Africa were bigots too, huh? Damn those bigot slavery abolishonists, too! They're bigots for wanting people to desire the freedom from slavery!

No, you are a bigot because you are one-sided, that is the very definition of a bigot.


You do not believe in anything, skip the intro, you just want to bash europe, however, you missed the target, because i, along with a shitload of other europeans do not hate, we love. Too bad that people like you are trying to pick a fight where there is none. (using articles that state that there will NEVER be be another holocaust while bolding out everything except NEVER)

So, which european country has slaves, or are you referring to the past of the US?

So, pathetic or just wrong, how would you describe your ignorance?

This issue is only one-sided. The equal treatment of people in society must be obtained. There are no other solutions. No negotiations, no alternatives. It's that simple. It's the 21st century. Developed, civilized nations should act so.

I think that's a good belief. So, how can you say that I don't believe in anything?

I agree that a "shitload" of Europeans don't hate. However, a "shitload" do and their attitude and behavior has penetrated governments. You can sit around and pretend everything is OK as long as it doesn't affect you, or you can actually try to alert others, change what's happening, etc. If I had the choice, I'd prefer to avoid the former option.

You're concentrating too much on my article I posted a long time ago. The quote was something like "i wouldn't say this is a holocaust, but this is how it begins." Maybe I should concentrate on your belief that abolishonists and anti-apartheid activists are bigots.

If you are going to do a quote, a correct quote would work better, "i would NEVER say this is the beginning of a new holocaust" equals "i wouldn't say this is a a holocaust, but this is how it begins"? You are not only a troll, you are also a liar.

A trolling little POS of a liar having opinions about things you know nothing of and have no interest finding out anything about.

If you weren't so pathetic i would insult you, but there is no need for me to do so, you do it fine, all by yourself.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer
Israel are going to keep the occupied areas on the west bank, the US applauds that...

Sharon is a known terrorist and the US applaud his actions to keep thousands of palestinians in camps while stealing THEIR land?

To me this only means one thing, the US does not give a flying fvck about terrorists, they hate muslims, and that is it, now if i see it this way, how do you think the muslim world sees it?

Don't confuse the US (or North America) with Europe. Europe hates muslims.

We do? yeah, now i remember, you posted some bs written by some european nutjub, didn't want to fess up to the selective bolding in that thread but used only those words you bolded in another, the word preceding your bolded part was NEVER. That word was the most important one, of course, to trolls like yourself, these tiny things do not matter, and before you ask who i was before i was banned, let me tell you that i have been a lurker for years.

You get a cookie, now go join Infohawk under that bridge.

European government actions (as well as general society's sentiment) have caught the attention of many human rights groups, heads of international organizations such as the UN, newspapers, magazines, minority groups, and others all over the world. So, I guess you must be living under that bridge or want people to live under a bridge and pretend it doesn't exist.

I'd rather be a troll than someone wanting to oppress others.

And yet you are trying so hard to opress others by telling me that i am opressing muslims and worthless?

No, which european actions have been oppressive, just because you don't understand them does not make them oppressive, if you are really interested of the situation of arabs in europe, i am willing to discuss it, but not if you are going to state that we are opressed every time you post.

It might be me being semitic and european, but i think i know more about it than you, especially as i do not pick specific reports made by bigots and then bod out the words so it makes a statement instead of bolding the word that precedes that statement, which was NEVER, i WOULD NEVER THINK THAT is pretty different than I THINK THAT, of course, to a troll like yourself, these things do not matter.

I'm not only discussing Arabs in Europe.

So are you calling Kofi Annan a bigot?

I am done feeding you, unless you have any specifics, go cuddle with infohawk under your bridge.

Kofi Annan have done many things, some great, some not so great, it takes a bigot to only recognize the ones that were not so great while leaving out the others, a bigot like yourself...

Now, go away.

Most (probably all) of my reports I posted about these incidents were written by reporters for majors news organizations.

So I'm a bigot because I want people to be treated as equals in society? How does that make me a bigot? I think that the people that want an institutionalized second-class citizen group are the bigots.

I guess the people that wanted apartheid to be abolished in South Africa were bigots too, huh? Damn those bigot slavery abolishonists, too! They're bigots for wanting people to desire the freedom from slavery!

No, you are a bigot because you are one-sided, that is the very definition of a bigot.


You do not believe in anything, skip the intro, you just want to bash europe, however, you missed the target, because i, along with a shitload of other europeans do not hate, we love. Too bad that people like you are trying to pick a fight where there is none. (using articles that state that there will NEVER be be another holocaust while bolding out everything except NEVER)

So, which european country has slaves, or are you referring to the past of the US?

So, pathetic or just wrong, how would you describe your ignorance?

This issue is only one-sided. The equal treatment of people in society must be obtained. There are no other solutions. No negotiations, no alternatives. It's that simple. It's the 21st century. Developed, civilized nations should act so.

I think that's a good belief. So, how can you say that I don't believe in anything?

I agree that a "shitload" of Europeans don't hate. However, a "shitload" do and their attitude and behavior has penetrated governments. You can sit around and pretend everything is OK as long as it doesn't affect you, or you can actually try to alert others, change what's happening, etc. If I had the choice, I'd prefer to avoid the former option.

You're concentrating too much on my article I posted a long time ago. The quote was something like "i wouldn't say this is a holocaust, but this is how it begins." Maybe I should concentrate on your belief that abolishonists and anti-apartheid activists are bigots.

If you are going to do a quote, a correct quote would work better, "i would NEVER say this is the beginning of a new holocaust" equals "i wouldn't say this is a a holocaust, but this is how it begins"? You are not only a troll, you are also a liar.

A trolling little POS of a liar having opinions about things you know nothing of and have no interest finding out anything about.

If you weren't so pathetic i would insult you, but there is no need for me to do so, you do it fine, all by yourself.

If you are having problems about an ambiguous quote, which wasn't that much different than the original sentence, and also arguably a valid quote, that's just sad. I think your stated belief that abolitionists and anti-apartheid activists are bigots is pathetic.

It's so nice how you decide my beliefs and only resort to personal attacks. I think you say the words troll, pos, and other generic internet insults about 5x per post. Your posts are nothing but attempted insults to me. Sorry, but it looks like you already lost your own game of not trying to insult me.

It's plain and simple. There are growing, and substantial, anti-foreign/immigrant & racist parties in several European governments, projecting much power, bringing their radical ideas to the mainstream. Government-endorsed actions and society's views have become warped around several of these ideas. Governments have adopted extreme right-wing ideas as mainstream. This can be seen in the Netherlands, France, Germany, Denmark, Switzerland, Italy, Austria, etc. and even countries like Slovenia which I wouldn't traditionally list with the more developed, prosperious countries. It's growing and spreading all over Europe, which is why so many are bringing attention to it.

Oh wait, people that are bringing up these human rights issues are bigots. Because they care for the treatment of others. Yes, bigots is the perfect word to describe these people! Do you call KKK members, white supremacists, terrorists, murderers, rapists, etc. "cute, cuddly teddy bears"?

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer
Israel are going to keep the occupied areas on the west bank, the US applauds that...

Sharon is a known terrorist and the US applaud his actions to keep thousands of palestinians in camps while stealing THEIR land?

To me this only means one thing, the US does not give a flying fvck about terrorists, they hate muslims, and that is it, now if i see it this way, how do you think the muslim world sees it?

Don't confuse the US (or North America) with Europe. Europe hates muslims.

We do? yeah, now i remember, you posted some bs written by some european nutjub, didn't want to fess up to the selective bolding in that thread but used only those words you bolded in another, the word preceding your bolded part was NEVER. That word was the most important one, of course, to trolls like yourself, these tiny things do not matter, and before you ask who i was before i was banned, let me tell you that i have been a lurker for years.

You get a cookie, now go join Infohawk under that bridge.

European government actions (as well as general society's sentiment) have caught the attention of many human rights groups, heads of international organizations such as the UN, newspapers, magazines, minority groups, and others all over the world. So, I guess you must be living under that bridge or want people to live under a bridge and pretend it doesn't exist.

I'd rather be a troll than someone wanting to oppress others.

And yet you are trying so hard to opress others by telling me that i am opressing muslims and worthless?

No, which european actions have been oppressive, just because you don't understand them does not make them oppressive, if you are really interested of the situation of arabs in europe, i am willing to discuss it, but not if you are going to state that we are opressed every time you post.

It might be me being semitic and european, but i think i know more about it than you, especially as i do not pick specific reports made by bigots and then bod out the words so it makes a statement instead of bolding the word that precedes that statement, which was NEVER, i WOULD NEVER THINK THAT is pretty different than I THINK THAT, of course, to a troll like yourself, these things do not matter.

I'm not only discussing Arabs in Europe.

So are you calling Kofi Annan a bigot?

I am done feeding you, unless you have any specifics, go cuddle with infohawk under your bridge.

Kofi Annan have done many things, some great, some not so great, it takes a bigot to only recognize the ones that were not so great while leaving out the others, a bigot like yourself...

Now, go away.

Most (probably all) of my reports I posted about these incidents were written by reporters for majors news organizations.

So I'm a bigot because I want people to be treated as equals in society? How does that make me a bigot? I think that the people that want an institutionalized second-class citizen group are the bigots.

I guess the people that wanted apartheid to be abolished in South Africa were bigots too, huh? Damn those bigot slavery abolishonists, too! They're bigots for wanting people to desire the freedom from slavery!

No, you are a bigot because you are one-sided, that is the very definition of a bigot.


You do not believe in anything, skip the intro, you just want to bash europe, however, you missed the target, because i, along with a shitload of other europeans do not hate, we love. Too bad that people like you are trying to pick a fight where there is none. (using articles that state that there will NEVER be be another holocaust while bolding out everything except NEVER)

So, which european country has slaves, or are you referring to the past of the US?

So, pathetic or just wrong, how would you describe your ignorance?

This issue is only one-sided. The equal treatment of people in society must be obtained. There are no other solutions. No negotiations, no alternatives. It's that simple. It's the 21st century. Developed, civilized nations should act so.

I think that's a good belief. So, how can you say that I don't believe in anything?

I agree that a "shitload" of Europeans don't hate. However, a "shitload" do and their attitude and behavior has penetrated governments. You can sit around and pretend everything is OK as long as it doesn't affect you, or you can actually try to alert others, change what's happening, etc. If I had the choice, I'd prefer to avoid the former option.

You're concentrating too much on my article I posted a long time ago. The quote was something like "i wouldn't say this is a holocaust, but this is how it begins." Maybe I should concentrate on your belief that abolishonists and anti-apartheid activists are bigots.

If you are going to do a quote, a correct quote would work better, "i would NEVER say this is the beginning of a new holocaust" equals "i wouldn't say this is a a holocaust, but this is how it begins"? You are not only a troll, you are also a liar.

A trolling little POS of a liar having opinions about things you know nothing of and have no interest finding out anything about.

If you weren't so pathetic i would insult you, but there is no need for me to do so, you do it fine, all by yourself.

If you are having problems about an ambiguous quote, which wasn't that much different than the original sentence, and also arguably a valid quote, that's just sad. I think your stated belief that abolitionists and anti-apartheid activists are bigots is pathetic.

It's so nice how you decide my beliefs and only resort to personal attacks. I think you say the words troll, pos, and other generic internet insults about 5x per post. Your posts are nothing but attempted insults to me. Sorry, but it looks like you already lost your own game of not trying to insult me.

It's plain and simple. There are growing, and substantial, anti-foreign/immigrant & racist parties in several European governments, projecting much power, bringing their radical ideas to the mainstream. Government-endorsed actions and society's views have become warped around several of these ideas. Governments have adopted extreme right-wing ideas as mainstream. This can be seen in the Netherlands, France, Germany, Denmark, Switzerland, Italy, Austria, etc. and even countries like Slovenia which I wouldn't traditionally list with the more developed, prosperious countries. It's growing and spreading all over Europe, which is why so many are bringing attention to it.

Oh wait, people that are bringing up these human rights issues are bigots. Because they care for the treatment of others. Yes, bigots is the perfect word to describe these people! Do you call KKK members, white supremacists, terrorists, murderers, rapists, etc. "cute, cuddly teddy bears"?

I have a problem with liars using their lies to support their cause, calling europeans racists and anti-semitic, claiming that a philosopher said that he thought that europe was going into a new Holocause when he said that europe is NEVER going into a new holocaust.

You are wrong and the right wing is more a response to the nationalistic tendencies than anything else, so it means the opposite of what you claim, not that you will ever understand what it means though, not without a brain transplant.

You are a little bigoted POS trying to tell Europeans to be ashamed when your OWN country is the only one which has ever performed a perfect genocide. And it is amusing how you bring up an american association with roots in politics called KKK and for some fvcked up reason use it like it was european.

I despise what you are trying so hard to do that you have to resort to outright lies so you can at least tell yourself that "them there Europeans" are worse than you are.

I am just waiting for the "sieg heil"

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: rickn

You are right. Australia is less barbarous

they are? I don't think the Aborgines of Australia would agree. They were treated like crap until 1970 America got past slavery way before that.

Not to mention thier WHITE only immigration policy till very recently and concentration camps all over northern territory/queensland were they hold refugees like in gitmo (happen to be dark/asian skinned).

Don't fool yourself, Austraila has it's problems just with less people makes life less cluttered. Move to OK/NB for the same deal.

 

[Infohawk]

Zebo, I'm not sure I see a white-only immigration policy as particularly barbarous. Racism is bad, but let's face it, race differences creates problems. I'm not saying it cannot be overcome, but if you want to live in a calm, united country, keeping things racial simple *could* help. Moreover, I'm not sure there is anything wrong about wanting a certain territory to be filled with people of a certain ethnicity. I am not Japanese, but I have no problem with Japan being home of the Japanese and not being able to become a citizen there. Now if they force their ethnicity on the world (like the Nazis did), then that's a problem for all of us. That being said, the fact that Australia, like the US, is an old colony that took land from indigeneous people, makes the white-only policy problematic.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer
Israel are going to keep the occupied areas on the west bank, the US applauds that...

Sharon is a known terrorist and the US applaud his actions to keep thousands of palestinians in camps while stealing THEIR land?

To me this only means one thing, the US does not give a flying fvck about terrorists, they hate muslims, and that is it, now if i see it this way, how do you think the muslim world sees it?

Don't confuse the US (or North America) with Europe. Europe hates muslims.

We do? yeah, now i remember, you posted some bs written by some european nutjub, didn't want to fess up to the selective bolding in that thread but used only those words you bolded in another, the word preceding your bolded part was NEVER. That word was the most important one, of course, to trolls like yourself, these tiny things do not matter, and before you ask who i was before i was banned, let me tell you that i have been a lurker for years.

You get a cookie, now go join Infohawk under that bridge.

European government actions (as well as general society's sentiment) have caught the attention of many human rights groups, heads of international organizations such as the UN, newspapers, magazines, minority groups, and others all over the world. So, I guess you must be living under that bridge or want people to live under a bridge and pretend it doesn't exist.

I'd rather be a troll than someone wanting to oppress others.

And yet you are trying so hard to opress others by telling me that i am opressing muslims and worthless?

No, which european actions have been oppressive, just because you don't understand them does not make them oppressive, if you are really interested of the situation of arabs in europe, i am willing to discuss it, but not if you are going to state that we are opressed every time you post.

It might be me being semitic and european, but i think i know more about it than you, especially as i do not pick specific reports made by bigots and then bod out the words so it makes a statement instead of bolding the word that precedes that statement, which was NEVER, i WOULD NEVER THINK THAT is pretty different than I THINK THAT, of course, to a troll like yourself, these things do not matter.

I'm not only discussing Arabs in Europe.

So are you calling Kofi Annan a bigot?

I am done feeding you, unless you have any specifics, go cuddle with infohawk under your bridge.

Kofi Annan have done many things, some great, some not so great, it takes a bigot to only recognize the ones that were not so great while leaving out the others, a bigot like yourself...

Now, go away.

Most (probably all) of my reports I posted about these incidents were written by reporters for majors news organizations.

So I'm a bigot because I want people to be treated as equals in society? How does that make me a bigot? I think that the people that want an institutionalized second-class citizen group are the bigots.

I guess the people that wanted apartheid to be abolished in South Africa were bigots too, huh? Damn those bigot slavery abolishonists, too! They're bigots for wanting people to desire the freedom from slavery!

No, you are a bigot because you are one-sided, that is the very definition of a bigot.


You do not believe in anything, skip the intro, you just want to bash europe, however, you missed the target, because i, along with a shitload of other europeans do not hate, we love. Too bad that people like you are trying to pick a fight where there is none. (using articles that state that there will NEVER be be another holocaust while bolding out everything except NEVER)

So, which european country has slaves, or are you referring to the past of the US?

So, pathetic or just wrong, how would you describe your ignorance?

This issue is only one-sided. The equal treatment of people in society must be obtained. There are no other solutions. No negotiations, no alternatives. It's that simple. It's the 21st century. Developed, civilized nations should act so.

I think that's a good belief. So, how can you say that I don't believe in anything?

I agree that a "shitload" of Europeans don't hate. However, a "shitload" do and their attitude and behavior has penetrated governments. You can sit around and pretend everything is OK as long as it doesn't affect you, or you can actually try to alert others, change what's happening, etc. If I had the choice, I'd prefer to avoid the former option.

You're concentrating too much on my article I posted a long time ago. The quote was something like "i wouldn't say this is a holocaust, but this is how it begins." Maybe I should concentrate on your belief that abolishonists and anti-apartheid activists are bigots.

If you are going to do a quote, a correct quote would work better, "i would NEVER say this is the beginning of a new holocaust" equals "i wouldn't say this is a a holocaust, but this is how it begins"? You are not only a troll, you are also a liar.

A trolling little POS of a liar having opinions about things you know nothing of and have no interest finding out anything about.

If you weren't so pathetic i would insult you, but there is no need for me to do so, you do it fine, all by yourself.

If you are having problems about an ambiguous quote, which wasn't that much different than the original sentence, and also arguably a valid quote, that's just sad. I think your stated belief that abolitionists and anti-apartheid activists are bigots is pathetic.

It's so nice how you decide my beliefs and only resort to personal attacks. I think you say the words troll, pos, and other generic internet insults about 5x per post. Your posts are nothing but attempted insults to me. Sorry, but it looks like you already lost your own game of not trying to insult me.

It's plain and simple. There are growing, and substantial, anti-foreign/immigrant & racist parties in several European governments, projecting much power, bringing their radical ideas to the mainstream. Government-endorsed actions and society's views have become warped around several of these ideas. Governments have adopted extreme right-wing ideas as mainstream. This can be seen in the Netherlands, France, Germany, Denmark, Switzerland, Italy, Austria, etc. and even countries like Slovenia which I wouldn't traditionally list with the more developed, prosperious countries. It's growing and spreading all over Europe, which is why so many are bringing attention to it.

Oh wait, people that are bringing up these human rights issues are bigots. Because they care for the treatment of others. Yes, bigots is the perfect word to describe these people! Do you call KKK members, white supremacists, terrorists, murderers, rapists, etc. "cute, cuddly teddy bears"?

I have a problem with liars using their lies to support their cause, calling europeans racists and anti-semitic, claiming that a philosopher said that he thought that europe was going into a new Holocause when he said that europe is NEVER going into a new holocaust.

You are wrong and the right wing is more a response to the nationalistic tendencies than anything else, so it means the opposite of what you claim, not that you will ever understand what it means though, not without a brain transplant.

You are a little bigoted POS trying to tell Europeans to be ashamed when your OWN country is the only one which has ever performed a perfect genocide. And it is amusing how you bring up an american association with roots in politics called KKK and for some fvcked up reason use it like it was european.

I despise what you are trying so hard to do that you have to resort to outright lies so you can at least tell yourself that "them there Europeans" are worse than you are.

I am just waiting for the "sieg heil"

I never said all Europeans were racist, I even agreed to your statement that a "shitload" (that's a very fancy word) were not. I'm not sure if the person that said that statement was a philosopher, in some way we all are, but she was a recently retired government official (head of some sort of foreigner or immigrant commission).

I'm not telling Europeans to be ashamed. I'm not pretending that US or Canada are some sort of utopia.

If you're talking about the genocide of Indians, it was not perfect. They still exist. Or do you not want them to exist? That was a horrible act done by the US, British, French, Spanish, etc. I think the Germans were pretty close to committing genocide. And let's not forget the European powers raping and pillaging the world 10x over. The history of European powers is so horrible, I wouldn't bring it up if you're trying to go that route.

I did not bring up the KKK as some sort of European entity. Nor did I try to infer that South Africa was in Europe. You need to re-read that statement.

Yes, compared to North America, Europe is much worse off in anti-foreign/immigrant sentiment and government-sponsored actions. I'm not even talking about illegal immigration, since I can understand how they frown upon it.

You can call me a bigot if you want, but I'm pretty sure most people would be disgusted by your belief that abolitionists, anti-apartheid activists, human rights activists, etc. are bigots. Trying to make people equal is a noble cause, and one who calls them bigots is the one that needs to re-evaluate themselves. Bigots are the ones that champion the exact oposite beliefs. Maybe you should hit up dictionary.com.

If you despise someone that alerts people to a problem, and wants people to be equal in society, then I despise you.

Again:

It's plain and simple. There are growing, and substantial, anti-foreign/immigrant & racist parties in several European governments, projecting much power, bringing their radical ideas to the mainstream. Government-endorsed actions and society's views have become warped around several of these ideas. Governments have adopted extreme right-wing ideas as mainstream. This can be seen in the Netherlands, France, Germany, Denmark, Switzerland, Italy, Austria, etc. and even countries like Slovenia which I wouldn't traditionally list with the more developed, prosperious countries. It's growing and spreading all over Europe, which is why so many are bringing attention to it.

These are not lies. It's well documented and reported on. Maybe you want to ignore them, but it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: rickn

You are right. Australia is less barbarous

they are? I don't think the Aborgines of Australia would agree. They were treated like crap until 1970 America got past slavery way before that.

Not to mention thier WHITE only immigration policy till very recently and concentration camps all over northern territory/queensland were they hold refugees like in gitmo (happen to be dark/asian skinned).

Don't fool yourself, Austraila has it's problems just with less people makes life less cluttered. Move to OK/NB for the same deal.

it's an Australia you certainly will never see on a postcard

 

[FrancesBeansRevenge]

Originally posted by: rickn

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: rickn

You are right. Australia is less barbarous

they are? I don't think the Aborgines of Australia would agree. They were treated like crap until 1970 America got past slavery way before that.

Not to mention thier WHITE only immigration policy till very recently and concentration camps all over northern territory/queensland were they hold refugees like in gitmo (happen to be dark/asian skinned).

Don't fool yourself, Austraila has it's problems just with less people makes life less cluttered. Move to OK/NB for the same deal.

it's an Australia you certainly will never see on a postcard

Perhaps Australia will put their internal racial crimes history on postcards when the US puts out postcards detailing the crimes committed against many countries by the CIA in the name of "national secruity and interests"

Then we can exchange them and become pinpals!

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: FrancesBeansRevenge

Originally posted by: rickn

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: rickn

You are right. Australia is less barbarous

they are? I don't think the Aborgines of Australia would agree. They were treated like crap until 1970 America got past slavery way before that.

Not to mention thier WHITE only immigration policy till very recently and concentration camps all over northern territory/queensland were they hold refugees like in gitmo (happen to be dark/asian skinned).

Don't fool yourself, Austraila has it's problems just with less people makes life less cluttered. Move to OK/NB for the same deal.

it's an Australia you certainly will never see on a postcard

Perhaps Australia will put their internal racial crimes history on postcards when the US puts out postcards detailing the crimes committed against many countries by the CIA in the name of "national secruity and interests"

Then we can exchange them and become pinpals!

Power corrupts men at the top. You guys actually vote/condone this behavior, big difference. Seriously, Why did you move to oz? At 21 I got my dual citzenship (swede maternaly) however this country has everything I want, sure it needs change, but I figure it best to work it from the inside.

 

[FrancesBeansRevenge]

Originally posted by: Zebo You guys actually vote/condone this behavior, big difference.

What behaviour and what vote? Please be specific. Thanks.

 

[dnoyeb]

That is my new biggest issue with US policies which clearly are meant to agitate and antagonize Arab leaders.

Palestinian Terrorists kill Israelis, World + US condems terrorist atrocities.
Israel kills Terrorists, World condems Israel, US vetoes claiming an accompanying condemnation of terrorists is required. They make no such condemnation of Israel requirement to condemn the Terrorists though.

Also, as soon as Colin Powell started to make real progress, and stated a planned meeting with Arafat, he was immediately pulled from the peace process. He was the only one with credability. and while Powell was trying to be fair, the VP was undercutting him.

I have to also point out with all due respect to the president of the united states, he looks like he fear's Sharon. Sharon has shown NO respect for the desires or statements of the President _at all_. President Bush is constantly backing down from his statements over what Sharon should do. As an American its embarrassing how Sharon treats President Bush.

 

[MegaWorks]

Originally posted by: dnoyeb
That is my new biggest issue with US policies which clearly are meant to agitate and antagonize Arab leaders.



Palestinian Terrorists kill Israelis, World + US condems terrorist atrocities.

Israel kills Terrorists, World condems Israel, US vetoes claiming an accompanying condemnation of terrorists is required. They make no such condemnation of Israel requirement to condemn the Terrorists though.



Also, as soon as Colin Powell started to make real progress, and stated a planned meeting with Arafat, he was immediately pulled from the peace process. He was the only one with credability. and while Powell was trying to be fair, the VP was undercutting him.



I have to also point out with all due respect to the president of the united states, he looks like he fear's Sharon. Sharon has shown NO respect for the desires or statements of the President _at all_. President Bush is constantly backing down from his statements over what Sharon should do. As an American its embarrassing how Sharon treats President Bush.

Buddy there is somthing called the jewish lobby in the US. This lobby has the power to put fear on any US president. how? because these lobbyist are billionaires many of them have industries in the US, which means they have controle over the economy voala!

 

[Michael]

MegaWorks - If you did some research, you'll see that the Jews in the USA are not a huge proportion of the population and that they don't control such a huge number of US corporations. Those are stereotypes.

I'm surprised that someone from Montreal would buy into that.

Is there a Jewish lobby? There sure is. Of course, there are lobbies for just about any other group as well.

Why is there such a perception of Jewish economic and media clout? Take a look where the biggest concentration of Jews are in the USA - the East Coast and NYC area. These were early centers for financial services and media in the development in the USA. Finance (both trading and lending of money) were areas that the Jewish people traditionally worked in. The moneylending came from demand coupled with Christians were banned from doing so. The trading came from them being scattered all over the place by successive displacements while still maintaining as close ties as they could. I never looked into why they're so identified with the media, but I know that financing is a key part of movie studios and I think there was a heavy influence from NYC in Hollywood when it first got rolling.

Couple that with almost constant persecution and the result was a tight knit community that protects and promotes its own (lots of internal splits, but those are almost never seen by people outside the community).

Blaming the Jews has been part of Western culture forever. Other than bigotry, I've never been able to find a real reason to do so.

Michael

 

[Red Dawn]

Well I don't think Americans have a high regard for Arabs in the Middle East either.

 

[chess9]

Jewish lobby? Bwuahahahaha! Yeah, they aren't shy about complaining and, yes, some of our best and brightest are Jews, but to somehow suggest that they have any administration over the barrel or get disproportionate treatment is nuts. We support Israel for a variety of very good reasons which have little to do with the "Jewish lobby".

I am so sick of hearing this nonsense....

-Robert

P.S.-This doesn't mean that I support that butcher and thief Sharon either.

 

[MegaWorks]

Originally posted by: chess9
Jewish lobby? Bwuahahahaha! Yeah, they aren't shy about complaining and, yes, some of our best and brightest are Jews, but to somehow suggest that they have any administration over the barrel or get disproportionate treatment is nuts. We support Israel for a variety of very good reasons which have little to do with the "Jewish lobby".



I am so sick of hearing this nonsense....



-Robert



P.S.-This doesn't mean that I support that butcher and thief Sharon either.

the lobby has no effect lol! read this this

 

Good, I dislike them also!

 

[chess9]

Megaworks:

Haven't you heard the old saw about 5 Jews with 10 opinions? Well, Jews are a politically diverse lot. Are they united in their support for Israel? No, but large numbers of Jews do closely watch our relationship with Israel. Furthermore, the heads of major media outlets are circumscribed by a whole litany of rules, regulations, and industry practices that substantially water down any bias they may have. And, all they would need to do is send the wrong message to a news anchor or a reporter and there would be a firestorm of controversy. Trust me, their hands aren't completely tied, and they can and do nibble around the edges, but WHITE ANGLO-SAXON CHRISTIANS get their way for the most part. Furthermore, many conservative Christians are some of Israel's strongest defenders. That Jesus was a Jew is not lost on them.

Really, man, your view is utterly simplistic, if not beneath contempt. Just because some Jews are rich and powerful doesn't mean they have inordinate influence on our policy re Israel.

-Robert

 

[ThePresence]

I'm Jewish, where are my Hollywood millions dammit!

 

[chess9]

ThePresence:

It's your mother's fault.

-Robert

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: chess9
ThePresence:
It's your mother's fault.
-Robert

She's Jewish too!

 

[Jagg]

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

Originally posted by: chess9

Jewish lobby? Bwuahahahaha! Yeah, they aren't shy about complaining and, yes, some of our best and brightest are Jews, but to somehow suggest that they have any administration over the barrel or get disproportionate treatment is nuts. We support Israel for a variety of very good reasons which have little to do with the "Jewish lobby".







I am so sick of hearing this nonsense....







-Robert







P.S.-This doesn't mean that I support that butcher and thief Sharon either.

the lobby has no effect lol! read this this

Well you are really showing your bias if you rely on well known Holocaust revisionist lunatic Mark Weber and his IHR website.

 

[chess9]

ThePresence:

Uh, well, I'm surprised.

But, please, your influence is becoming disproportional, so shut up already.

-Robert

 

[MegaWorks]

another prove Spielberg new movie
guys please they have a big influence, second I didn't mean the jews. Some jews are againts the creation of Israel I'm pointing at the pro-Israelis, the Zionists in the State and the lobby of course.