Mubarak: Arabs Hate U.S. More Than Ever

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klah

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I guess that means they will no longer be accepting our $2,000,000,000/yr in aid? Or do they still love our money?

 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: klah
I guess that means they will no longer be accepting our $2,000,000,000/yr in aid? Or do they still love our money?


Maybe they just want as much as Israel gets... :laugh:
 
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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: klah

I guess that means they will no longer be accepting our $2,000,000,000/yr in aid? Or do they still love our money?





Maybe they just want as much as Israel gets... :laugh:

Perhaps if they acted like Israel they would


oh...:laugh:
 

LilBlinbBlahIce

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Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: klah



I guess that means they will no longer be accepting our $2,000,000,000/yr in aid? Or do they still love our money?











Maybe they just want as much as Israel gets... :laugh:



Perhaps if they acted like Israel they would





oh...:laugh:


You mean steal land, inflict collective punishment on an entire people, treat their own arab citizens like dogs (ok, thats one thing they have in common) and snub their nose at international law? Ya, maybe they should, apparently that gains you the adoration of the US.
 

ThePresence

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Originally posted by: conjurWhich is related to my original reply to you in what way?

Your post to which I replied implied Israel is only hated due to the two recent assassinations. You GREATLY distorted the reason for the hatred of Israel.
Conjur, I KNOW you're not as thickheaded as you are pretending. I was responding to Mubarak's dumb comments. I KNOW the REASON. I was talking about what HE was saying that the reason IS.
 

chrisms

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Makes one wonder if is terrorism more or less a threat today than it was on September 12th, 2001.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: conjurWhich is related to my original reply to you in what way?

Your post to which I replied implied Israel is only hated due to the two recent assassinations. You GREATLY distorted the reason for the hatred of Israel.
Conjur, I KNOW you're not as thickheaded as you are pretending. I was responding to Mubarak's dumb comments. I KNOW the REASON. I was talking about what HE was saying that the reason IS.

You're really out there, aren't ya?

You forgot the part of the equation as to why Israel's people are being killed. Israel is illegally occupying the Gaza Strip. Palestinians have been fighting against Israel for years to get them out and have their country back. Israel striking back killing Palestinians is the same as the schoolyard bully beating up kids for striking back after the bully takes their lunch money and throws their books in the trash.
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: chrisms
Makes one wonder if is terrorism more or less a threat today than it was on September 12th, 2001.

I think in Afghanistan there is less threat of terror. The problem is our adminsitration has created threats of terror in other places, like Iraq and the rest of the middle east! It has just confirmed muslim fears that we are only interest in their oil (because we guarded their oil wells but not their museums), that we want to help Israel annex Palestine, that we are attacking ISlam (because we shut down islamic newspapers when we profess to care about freedom).
 

ThePresence

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: conjurWhich is related to my original reply to you in what way?

Your post to which I replied implied Israel is only hated due to the two recent assassinations. You GREATLY distorted the reason for the hatred of Israel.
Conjur, I KNOW you're not as thickheaded as you are pretending. I was responding to Mubarak's dumb comments. I KNOW the REASON. I was talking about what HE was saying that the reason IS.

You're really out there, aren't ya?

You forgot the part of the equation as to why Israel's people are being killed. Israel is illegally occupying the Gaza Strip. Palestinians have been fighting against Israel for years to get them out and have their country back. Israel striking back killing Palestinians is the same as the schoolyard bully beating up kids for striking back after the bully takes their lunch money and throws their books in the trash.
:roll:
He didn't mention any of this in his statements. He mentioned that Arabs hate the US because of the murder of Hamas terrorists. Now I know the background behind that as do you. But his statement in the context that he gave it is just stupid. Get it NOW?
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: conjurWhich is related to my original reply to you in what way?

Your post to which I replied implied Israel is only hated due to the two recent assassinations. You GREATLY distorted the reason for the hatred of Israel.
Conjur, I KNOW you're not as thickheaded as you are pretending. I was responding to Mubarak's dumb comments. I KNOW the REASON. I was talking about what HE was saying that the reason IS.

You're really out there, aren't ya?

You forgot the part of the equation as to why Israel's people are being killed. Israel is illegally occupying the Gaza Strip. Palestinians have been fighting against Israel for years to get them out and have their country back. Israel striking back killing Palestinians is the same as the schoolyard bully beating up kids for striking back after the bully takes their lunch money and throws their books in the trash.
:roll:
He didn't mention any of this in his statements. He mentioned that Arabs hate the US because of the murder of Hamas terrorists. Now I know the background behind that as do you. But his statement in the context that he gave it is just stupid. Get it NOW?

:roll:

You neocons just really love taking quotes as literal, don't you?
 

ThePresence

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: conjurWhich is related to my original reply to you in what way?

Your post to which I replied implied Israel is only hated due to the two recent assassinations. You GREATLY distorted the reason for the hatred of Israel.
Conjur, I KNOW you're not as thickheaded as you are pretending. I was responding to Mubarak's dumb comments. I KNOW the REASON. I was talking about what HE was saying that the reason IS.

You're really out there, aren't ya?

You forgot the part of the equation as to why Israel's people are being killed. Israel is illegally occupying the Gaza Strip. Palestinians have been fighting against Israel for years to get them out and have their country back. Israel striking back killing Palestinians is the same as the schoolyard bully beating up kids for striking back after the bully takes their lunch money and throws their books in the trash.
:roll:
He didn't mention any of this in his statements. He mentioned that Arabs hate the US because of the murder of Hamas terrorists. Now I know the background behind that as do you. But his statement in the context that he gave it is just stupid. Get it NOW?

:roll:

You neocons just really love taking quotes as literal, don't you?
Okay, whatever. I'll get out of the thread before it degenerates further.
 
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Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce



You mean steal land, inflict collective punishment on an entire people, treat their own arab citizens like dogs (ok, thats one thing they have in common) and snub their nose at international law? Ya, maybe they should, apparently that gains you the adoration of the US.

Hey, leave Iraq and Saddam out of this...stay OT
 

Infohawk

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JohnGalt, the world has tried to pass many resolution regarding Israel, but guess who blocks'em each time?
 

maddogchen

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
JohnGalt, the world has tried to pass many resolution regarding Israel, but guess who blocks'em each time?

But the world has a whole lot more Muslim countries than Jewish ones.
 
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Originally posted by: maddogchen
Originally posted by: Infohawk
JohnGalt, the world has tried to pass many resolution regarding Israel, but guess who blocks'em each time?

But the world has a whole lot more Muslim countries than Jewish ones.

No thanks to one of the countries who opposed setting the Iraqi people free. Danke Schone.
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: maddogchen
Originally posted by: Infohawk
JohnGalt, the world has tried to pass many resolution regarding Israel, but guess who blocks'em each time?

But the world has a whole lot more Muslim countries than Jewish ones.


Please explain what that fact has to do with anything. The US should be the only one to veto resolutions against Israel because they are the only Jewish country?
 

maddogchen

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: maddogchen

Originally posted by: Infohawk

JohnGalt, the world has tried to pass many resolution regarding Israel, but guess who blocks'em each time?



But the world has a whole lot more Muslim countries than Jewish ones.





Please explain what that fact has to do with anything. The US should be the only one to veto resolutions against Israel because they are the only Jewish country?

I'm saying the UN has tried to pass many resolutions against Israel because many of the countries who vote for the resolutions or sponsor them are Muslim countries. I'm not quite sure, but I think more than half the countries in the world are Islamic. Its like a Muslim crowd trying to lynch the one lone Jewish guy.
Someone has to stand up for the poor guy and its usually either the UK or the US. Everyone else is either afraid to tick them off or have no political gain from it.
 

Infohawk

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maddog, it is not only Muslim countries that have wanted to condemn Israel's actions. It's everyone except the United States. Great Britain does not veto unanimous resolutions, ony the United States does. Moreover, most countries in the world are not muslim. Finally, Israel is not "a poor guy." Personifying countries does not help. Israel is a state based on a religion, a state that does very bad things to human beings. When the world as a whole condemns Israel, the US can use their single veto. It's highly undemocratic and you should not go around thinking it is only muslims that have a problem with many of Israel's actions.
 

rchiu

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Originally posted by: ThePresence
He blamed the hostility partly on U.S. support for Israel, which assassinated Hamas leader Abdel-Aziz al-Rantissi in a missile strike in the Gaza Strip (news - web sites) Saturday weeks after killing his predecessor, Sheikh Ahmed Yassin.
I see, Mubarak. If Israel kills the people who are killing Israel's people, that causes hate. Israel must sit back and let it's citizens be slaughtered. Aha, I get it now.

um...Israel is already hated among Arab nation, the question is, why the heck should America get involve in this mess and make more enemy? Why instead of being an honest broker trying to create peace in that region, this Admin have to choose one side and make other side the enemy?

If you really love Israel so much, by all means, move yourself and your family there and help them fight the evil Palestinian. Just don't drag the rest of us into this stupid conflict.
 

Klixxer

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Israel are going to keep the occupied areas on the west bank, the US applauds that...

Sharon is a known terrorist and the US applaud his actions to keep thousands of palestinians in camps while stealing THEIR land?

To me this only means one thing, the US does not give a flying fvck about terrorists, they hate muslims, and that is it, now if i see it this way, how do you think the muslim world sees it?
 

conjur

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A list of UN Resolutions against "Israel"

1955-1992:
* Resolution 106: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for Gaza raid".
* Resolution 111: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people".
* Resolution 127: " . . . 'recommends' Israel suspends it's 'no-man's zone' in Jerusalem".
* Resolution 162: " . . . 'urges' Israel to comply with UN decisions".
* Resolution 171: " . . . determines flagrant violations' by Israel in its attack on Syria".
* Resolution 228: " . . . 'censures' Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control".
* Resolution 237: " . . . 'urges' Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees".
* Resolution 248: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan".
* Resolution 250: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem".
* Resolution 251: " . . . 'deeply deplores' Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250".
* Resolution 252: " . . . 'declares invalid' Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital".
* Resolution 256: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli raids on Jordan as 'flagrant violation".
* Resolution 259: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation".
* Resolution 262: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for attack on Beirut airport".
* Resolution 265: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan".
* Resolution 267: " . . . 'censures' Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem".
*Resolution 270: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon".
* Resolution 271: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem".
* Resolution 279: " . . . 'demands' withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon".
* Resolution 280: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli's attacks against Lebanon".
* Resolution 285: " . . . 'demands' immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon".
* Resolution 298: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem".
* Resolution 313: " . . . 'demands' that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon".
* Resolution 316: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon".
* Resolution 317: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon".
* Resolution 332: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon".
* Resolution 337: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty".
* Resolution 347: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli attacks on Lebanon".
* Resolution 425: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon".
* Resolution 427: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon.
* Resolution 444: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces".
* Resolution 446: " . . . 'determines' that Israeli settlements are a 'serious
obstruction' to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention".
* Resolution 450: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon".
* Resolution 452: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories".
* Resolution 465: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's settlements and asks all member
states not to assist Israel's settlements program".
* Resolution 467: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's military intervention in Lebanon".
* Resolution 468: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of
two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return".
* Resolution 469: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's failure to observe the
council's order not to deport Palestinians".
* Resolution 471: " . . . 'expresses deep concern' at Israel's failure to abide
by the Fourth Geneva Convention".
* Resolution 476: " . . . 'reiterates' that Israel's claim to Jerusalem are 'null and void'".
* Resolution 478: " . . . 'censures (Israel) in the strongest terms' for its
claim to Jerusalem in its 'Basic Law'".
* Resolution 484: " . . . 'declares it imperative' that Israel re-admit two deported
Palestinian mayors".
* Resolution 487: " . . . 'strongly condemns' Israel for its attack on Iraq's
nuclear facility".
* Resolution 497: " . . . 'decides' that Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan
Heights is 'null and void' and demands that Israel rescinds its decision forthwith".
* Resolution 498: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon".
* Resolution 501: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops".
* Resolution 509: " . . . 'demands' that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon".
* Resolution 515: " . . . 'demands' that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and
allow food supplies to be brought in".
* Resolution 517: " . . . 'censures' Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions
and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon".
* Resolution 518: " . . . 'demands' that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon".
* Resolution 520: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's attack into West Beirut".
* Resolution 573: " . . . 'condemns' Israel 'vigorously' for bombing Tunisia
in attack on PLO headquarters.
* Resolution 587: " . . . 'takes note' of previous calls on Israel to withdraw
its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw".
* Resolution 592: " . . . 'strongly deplores' the killing of Palestinian students
at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops".
* Resolution 605: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's policies and practices
denying the human rights of Palestinians.
* Resolution 607: " . . . 'calls' on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly
requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.
* Resolution 608: " . . . 'deeply regrets' that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians".
* Resolution 636: " . . . 'deeply regrets' Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians.
* Resolution 641: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's continuing deportation of Palestinians.
* Resolution 672: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for violence against Palestinians
at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount.
* Resolution 673: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to cooperate with the United
Nations.
* Resolution 681: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's resumption of the deportation of
Palestinians.
* Resolution 694: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's deportation of Palestinians and
calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return.
* Resolution 726: " . . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of Palestinians.
* Resolution 799: ". . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of 413 Palestinians
and calls for their immediate return.



Vetoes: 1972-1982
Subject Date & Meeting US Rep Casting Veto Vote
Palestine: Syrian-Lebanese Complaint. 3 power draft resolution 2/10784 9/10/1972 Bush 13-1, 1
Palestine: Examination of Middle East Situation. 8-power draft resolution (S/10974) 7/2/1973 Scali 13-1, 0 (China not partic.)
Palestine: Egyptian-Lebanese Complaint. 5-power draft power resolution (S/11898) 12/8/1975 Moynihan 13-1, 1
Palestine: Middle East Problem, including Palestinian question. 6-power draft resolution (S/11940) 1/26/1976 Moynihan 9-1,3 (China & Libya not partic.)
Palestine: Situation in Occupied Arab Territories. 5-power draft resolution (S/12022) 3/25/1976 Scranton 14-1,0
Palestine: Report on Committee on Rights of Palestinian People. 4-power draft resolution (S/121119) 6/29/1976 Sherer 10-1,4
Palestine: Palestinian Rights. Tunisian draft resolution. (S/13911) 4/30/1980 McHenry 10-1,4
Palestine: Golan Heights. Jordan draft resolution. (S/14832/Rev. 2) 1/20/1982 Kirkpatrick 9-1,5
Palestine: Situation in Occupied Territories, Jordan draft resolution (S/14943) 4/2/1982 Lichenstein 13-1,1
Palestine: Incident at the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem. 4-power draft resolution 4/20/1982 Kirpatrick 14-1, 0
Palestine: Conflict in Lebanon. Spain draft resolution. (S/15185) 6/8/1982 Kirpatrick 14-1,0
Palestine: Conflict in Lebanon. France draft resolution. (S/15255/Rev. 2) 6/26/1982 Lichenstein 14-1
Palestine: Conflict in Lebanon. USSR draft resolution. (S/15347/Rev. 1, as orally amended) 8/6/1982 Lichenstein 11-1,3
Palestine: Situation in Occupied Territories, 20-power draft resolution (S/15895) 8/2/1983 Lichenstein 13-1,1



Security Council Vetoes/Negative voting 1983-present
Subject Date Vote
Occupied Arab Territories: Wholesale condemnation of Israeli settlement policies - not adopted 1983
S. Lebanon: Condemns Israeli action in southern Lebanon. S/16732 9/6/1984 Vetoed: 13-1 (U.S.), with 1 abstention (UK)
Occupied Territories: Deplores "repressive measures" by Israel against Arab population. S/19459. 9/13/1985 Vetoed: 10-1 (U.S.), with 4 abstentions (Australia, Denmark, UK, France)
Lebanon: Condemns Israeli practices against civilians in southern Lebanon. S/17000. 3/12/1985 Vetoed: 11-1 (U.S.), with 3 abstentions (Australia, Denmark, UK)
Occupied Territories: Calls upon Israel to respect Muslim holy places. S/17769/Rev. 1 1/30/1986 Vetoed: 13-1 (US), with one abstention (Thailand)
Lebanon: Condemns Israeli practices against civilians in southern Lebanon. S/17730/Rev. 2. 1/17/1986 Vetoed: 11-1 (U.S.), with 3 abstentions (Australia, Denmark, UK)
Libya/Israel: Condemns Israeli interception of Libyan plane. S/17796/Rev. 1. 2/6/1986 Vetoed: 10 -1 (US), with 4 abstentions (Australia, Denmark, France, UK)
Lebanon: Draft strongly deplored repeated Israeli attacks against Lebanese territory and other measures and practices against the civilian population; (S/19434) 1/18/1988 vetoed 13-1 (US), with 1 abstention (UK)
Lebanon: Draft condemned recent invasion by Israeli forces of Southern Lebanon and repeated a call for the immediate withdrawal of all Israeli forces from Lebanese territory; (S/19868) 5/10/1988 vetoed 14-1 (US)
Lebanon: Draft strongly deplored the recent Israeli attack against Lebanese territory on 9 December 1988; (S/20322) 12/14/1988 vetoed 14-1 (US)
Occupied territories: Draft called on Israel to accept de jure applicability of the 4th Geneva Convention; (S/19466) 1988 vetoed 14-1 (US)
Occupied territories: Draft urged Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention, rescind the order to deport Palestinian civilians, and condemned policies and practices of Israel that violate the human rights of the Palestinian people in the occupied territories; (S/19780) 1988 vetoed 14-1 (US)
Occupied territories: Strongly deplored Israeli policies and practices in the occupied territories, and strongly deplored also Israel's continued disregard of relevant Security Council decisions. 2/17/1989 Vetoed 14-1 (US)
Occupied territories: Condemned Israeli policies and practices in the occupied territories. 6/9/1989 Vetoed 14-1 (US)
Occupied territories: Deplored Israel's policies and practices in the occupied territories. 11/7/1989 Vetoed 14-1 (US)
Occupied territories: NAM draft resolution to create a commission and send three security council members to Rishon Lezion, where an Israeli gunmen shot down seven Palestinian workers. 5/31/1990 Vetoed 14-1 (US)
Middle East: Confirms that the expropriation of land by Israel in East Jerusalem is invalid and in violation of relevant Security Council resolutions and provisions of the Fourth Geneva convention; expresses support of peace process, including the Declaration of Principles of 9/13/1993 5/17/1995 Vetoed 14-1 (US)
Middle East: Calls upon Israeli authorities to refrain from all actions or measures, including settlement activities. 3/7/1997 Vetoed 14-1 (US)
Middle East: Demands that Israel cease construction of the settlement in east Jerusalem (called Jabal Abu Ghneim by the Palestinians and Har Homa by Israel), as well as all the other Israeli settlement activity in the occupied territories
3/21/1997 Vetoed 13-1,1 (US)
Call for UN Observers Force in West Bank, Gaza 3/27/2001 Vetoed 9-1 (US),
with four abstentions
(Britain, France, Ireland and Norway)
Condemned acts of terror, demanded an end to violence and the establishment of a monitoring mechanism to bring in observers. 12/15/2001 Vetoed 12-1 (US)
with two abstentions (Britain and Norway)
On the killing by Israeli forces of several UN employees and the destruction of the World Food Programme (WFP) warehouse
12/20/2002 12-1 (US) with 2 abstentions (Bulgaria and Cameroon)

Demand that Israel halt threats to expel Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat 9/16/03 Vetoed 11-1 (US)
with three abstentions
(Britain, Germany and Bulgaria)
Seeks to bar Israel from extending security fence 10/14/03 Vetoed 10-1 with four absentations (Britain, Germany, Bulgaria and Cameroon)
Condemns Israel for killing Ahmed Yassin 3/25/04 Vetoed 11-1 (US)
with three absentations
(Britain, Germany, Romania
 

CanOWorms

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Originally posted by: Klixxer
Israel are going to keep the occupied areas on the west bank, the US applauds that...

Sharon is a known terrorist and the US applaud his actions to keep thousands of palestinians in camps while stealing THEIR land?

To me this only means one thing, the US does not give a flying fvck about terrorists, they hate muslims, and that is it, now if i see it this way, how do you think the muslim world sees it?

Don't confuse the US (or North America) with Europe. Europe hates muslims.