Mubarak: Arabs Hate U.S. More Than Ever

[Infohawk]

Klixxer: You are engaging in ad hominem, a logical fallacy. A more appropriate response would have been to point out why CanOworms is wrong, either by explaining he is simply generalizing or by showing polls showing European sentiment towards muslims. By doing that, you would be able to maybe educate your fellow human instead of making more ennemies.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
its a bizaro world where limbaughs are all powerful, leading their millions of little ditto heads into angry furies

seriously, any place where people dance in the street when they hear of 3000 civilians dying because of terrorists driving planes into buildings just displays the pathology of a corrupt society.

Yeah, they had that strange notion that the US wanted them dead, then the US bombed them.

Oh, how wrong they were.

Now the US praises the terrorist Sharon for keeping the west bank.

If i were arab, i would hate the ones who tries to kill me and take away my freedom too. that is, for the palestinians that would be the US and Israel.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer
Israel are going to keep the occupied areas on the west bank, the US applauds that...

Sharon is a known terrorist and the US applaud his actions to keep thousands of palestinians in camps while stealing THEIR land?

To me this only means one thing, the US does not give a flying fvck about terrorists, they hate muslims, and that is it, now if i see it this way, how do you think the muslim world sees it?

Don't confuse the US (or North America) with Europe. Europe hates muslims.

We do? yeah, now i remember, you posted some bs written by some european nutjub, didn't want to fess up to the selective bolding in that thread but used only those words you bolded in another, the word preceding your bolded part was NEVER. That word was the most important one, of course, to trolls like yourself, these tiny things do not matter, and before you ask who i was before i was banned, let me tell you that i have been a lurker for years.

You get a cookie, now go join Infohawk under that bridge.

European government actions (as well as general society's sentiment) have caught the attention of many human rights groups, heads of international organizations such as the UN, newspapers, magazines, minority groups, and others all over the world. So, I guess you must be living under that bridge or want people to live under a bridge and pretend it doesn't exist.

I'd rather be a troll than someone wanting to oppress others.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
its a bizaro world where limbaughs are all powerful, leading their millions of little ditto heads into angry furies

seriously, any place where people dance in the street when they hear of 3000 civilians dying because of terrorists driving planes into buildings just displays the pathology of a corrupt society.

Yeah, they had that strange notion that the US wanted them dead, then the US bombed them.

Oh, how wrong they were.

Now the US praises the terrorist Sharon for keeping the west bank.

If i were arab, i would hate the ones who tries to kill me and take away my freedom too. that is, for the palestinians that would be the US and Israel.

aren't you simplistic do we bomb civilians on purpose? or do we try to minimize any casualties that do happen?

just ask yourself how did jordan put down the palestinian uprising? ah yes,25k dead.

course, arabs killing arabs is fine, jews.. or infidels..oh no!! not all people are reasonable. religious zeal/hatred can obliterate reason.

the us is supporting what was inevitable. the large west bank communities cannot be removed. not in the face of the path of terrorism the palestinians have taken. sharon is doing what he can, a punitive withdrawel from gaza. you do not simply let hamas win. those who lose war after war and then decide to further their cause through attrocities do not dictate their borders.

 

[Infohawk]

One should not be able to grow territory by conquest. In the 20th century, this has largely been agreed upon. Not Israel, they are stuck in a 19th Century expansionish attitude.

Arab-arab killing is unacceptable. But so is Israel's killing and annexation.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer
Israel are going to keep the occupied areas on the west bank, the US applauds that...

Sharon is a known terrorist and the US applaud his actions to keep thousands of palestinians in camps while stealing THEIR land?

To me this only means one thing, the US does not give a flying fvck about terrorists, they hate muslims, and that is it, now if i see it this way, how do you think the muslim world sees it?

Don't confuse the US (or North America) with Europe. Europe hates muslims.

We do? yeah, now i remember, you posted some bs written by some european nutjub, didn't want to fess up to the selective bolding in that thread but used only those words you bolded in another, the word preceding your bolded part was NEVER. That word was the most important one, of course, to trolls like yourself, these tiny things do not matter, and before you ask who i was before i was banned, let me tell you that i have been a lurker for years.

You get a cookie, now go join Infohawk under that bridge.

European government actions (as well as general society's sentiment) have caught the attention of many human rights groups, heads of international organizations such as the UN, newspapers, magazines, minority groups, and others all over the world. So, I guess you must be living under that bridge or want people to live under a bridge and pretend it doesn't exist.

I'd rather be a troll than someone wanting to oppress others.

And yet you are trying so hard to opress others by telling me that i am opressing muslims and worthless?

No, which european actions have been oppressive, just because you don't understand them does not make them oppressive, if you are really interested of the situation of arabs in europe, i am willing to discuss it, but not if you are going to state that we are opressed every time you post.

It might be me being semitic and european, but i think i know more about it than you, especially as i do not pick specific reports made by bigots and then bod out the words so it makes a statement instead of bolding the word that precedes that statement, which was NEVER, i WOULD NEVER THINK THAT is pretty different than I THINK THAT, of course, to a troll like yourself, these things do not matter.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer
Israel are going to keep the occupied areas on the west bank, the US applauds that...

Sharon is a known terrorist and the US applaud his actions to keep thousands of palestinians in camps while stealing THEIR land?

To me this only means one thing, the US does not give a flying fvck about terrorists, they hate muslims, and that is it, now if i see it this way, how do you think the muslim world sees it?

Don't confuse the US (or North America) with Europe. Europe hates muslims.

We do? yeah, now i remember, you posted some bs written by some european nutjub, didn't want to fess up to the selective bolding in that thread but used only those words you bolded in another, the word preceding your bolded part was NEVER. That word was the most important one, of course, to trolls like yourself, these tiny things do not matter, and before you ask who i was before i was banned, let me tell you that i have been a lurker for years.

You get a cookie, now go join Infohawk under that bridge.

European government actions (as well as general society's sentiment) have caught the attention of many human rights groups, heads of international organizations such as the UN, newspapers, magazines, minority groups, and others all over the world. So, I guess you must be living under that bridge or want people to live under a bridge and pretend it doesn't exist.

I'd rather be a troll than someone wanting to oppress others.

And yet you are trying so hard to opress others by telling me that i am opressing muslims and worthless?

No, which european actions have been oppressive, just because you don't understand them does not make them oppressive, if you are really interested of the situation of arabs in europe, i am willing to discuss it, but not if you are going to state that we are opressed every time you post.

It might be me being semitic and european, but i think i know more about it than you, especially as i do not pick specific reports made by bigots and then bod out the words so it makes a statement instead of bolding the word that precedes that statement, which was NEVER, i WOULD NEVER THINK THAT is pretty different than I THINK THAT, of course, to a troll like yourself, these things do not matter.

I'm not only discussing Arabs in Europe.

So are you calling Kofi Annan a bigot?

 

[FrancesBeansRevenge]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Hmmm, while I applaud people voting with their feet, I don't know if Australia is that much less barbarous than our United States. Aren't they part of the Iraqi Occupation "Stormtrooper" force?

Yes, Australia is a member of the 'coalition of the willing' (lol).
And this is a serious issue here... with MUCH dissent and HUGE protests against sending troops.
Australia is, however, virtually bound to assisting the US because of defence agreements.
Without the umbrella of US protection Australia is in uneasy waters here in the Asia Pacific region.
As you can imagine Australia needs to protect that alliance.
Currently there are 850 Australian troops in the region with estimated 100 on the ground in Iraq.

Anyway... less barbarous? Yes. Slightly. But equally as guilty of participating in this war.

Why then am I glad to now live in Australia and not the US? I can't even explain it to you my friend... it took me YEARS of living outside of the US to finally recognise and remove the rose coloured glasses most Americans wear when viewing thier government and/or society.

I do love my country. But I love the progressive, tolerant, peace loving, secular, righteous America that we are supposed to be.... when I look at what America is right now... at Bush's America in particular... I just have to turn away with disgust... but really we were never the America we portray ourselves to be.. THAT is the hypocrisy that most of the world despises us for.

It's sad to me... really... I prefer the days of thinking we were always the good guys fighting for truth, justice and the American way. This reality bullshit is depressing. I just want to wave some flags and be happy.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
One should not be able to grow territory by conquest. In the 20th century, this has largely been agreed upon. Not Israel, they are stuck in a 19th Century expansionish attitude.



Arab-arab killing is unacceptable. But so is Israel's killing and annexation.

one shouldn't be able to continuously use violence against civilians to further political goals without consequence. even before israel occupied one foot of the westbank or gaza the palestinians did not fight for peace, instead they killed civilians with endless hijackings and ever escalating terror against civilians. those who resort to such tactics do not deserve to be rewarded with generous rewards. they have made the wrong decisions for as long as we can remember, siding with hitler and agreeing to carry out their portion of the final solution if given the chance, then with the evil empire, then with saddam. dancing in the street when they thought scuds with chemical weapons were being launched at civilians, only to be dissapointed later. dancing in the streets to celebrate the terror of 9/11. the price they pay for their bad choices is the loss of some of the west bank. one simply cannot reward terrorism. the same way germany lost part of its eastern territories to poland, and part of its western lands to france. it is reality.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer
Israel are going to keep the occupied areas on the west bank, the US applauds that...

Sharon is a known terrorist and the US applaud his actions to keep thousands of palestinians in camps while stealing THEIR land?

To me this only means one thing, the US does not give a flying fvck about terrorists, they hate muslims, and that is it, now if i see it this way, how do you think the muslim world sees it?

Don't confuse the US (or North America) with Europe. Europe hates muslims.

We do? yeah, now i remember, you posted some bs written by some european nutjub, didn't want to fess up to the selective bolding in that thread but used only those words you bolded in another, the word preceding your bolded part was NEVER. That word was the most important one, of course, to trolls like yourself, these tiny things do not matter, and before you ask who i was before i was banned, let me tell you that i have been a lurker for years.

You get a cookie, now go join Infohawk under that bridge.

European government actions (as well as general society's sentiment) have caught the attention of many human rights groups, heads of international organizations such as the UN, newspapers, magazines, minority groups, and others all over the world. So, I guess you must be living under that bridge or want people to live under a bridge and pretend it doesn't exist.

I'd rather be a troll than someone wanting to oppress others.

And yet you are trying so hard to opress others by telling me that i am opressing muslims and worthless?

No, which european actions have been oppressive, just because you don't understand them does not make them oppressive, if you are really interested of the situation of arabs in europe, i am willing to discuss it, but not if you are going to state that we are opressed every time you post.

It might be me being semitic and european, but i think i know more about it than you, especially as i do not pick specific reports made by bigots and then bod out the words so it makes a statement instead of bolding the word that precedes that statement, which was NEVER, i WOULD NEVER THINK THAT is pretty different than I THINK THAT, of course, to a troll like yourself, these things do not matter.

I'm not only discussing Arabs in Europe.

So are you calling Kofi Annan a bigot?

I am done feeding you, unless you have any specifics, go cuddle with infohawk under your bridge.

Kofi Annan have done many things, some great, some not so great, it takes a bigot to only recognize the ones that were not so great while leaving out the others, a bigot like yourself...

Now, go away.

 

[Infohawk]

FrancesBeansRevenge, thank you for your cogent response. You are right. Australia is less barbarous. Indeed, there are sadly many countries whose leaders went to Iraq despite popular dissent. I'm sorry to say the US is not one of them.

 

[AnImuS]

arabs will always hate us aslong as we are on top. Even if we nuke the state of israel we will still be hated by them. its a lose-lose situation. we can lessen it by cutting support of israel, but that will never happen. Unfortunately, we have chosen a side.

 

[rickn]

You are right. Australia is less barbarous

they are? I don't think the Aborgines of Australia would agree. They were treated like crap until 1970 America got past slavery way before that.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer
Israel are going to keep the occupied areas on the west bank, the US applauds that...

Sharon is a known terrorist and the US applaud his actions to keep thousands of palestinians in camps while stealing THEIR land?

To me this only means one thing, the US does not give a flying fvck about terrorists, they hate muslims, and that is it, now if i see it this way, how do you think the muslim world sees it?

Don't confuse the US (or North America) with Europe. Europe hates muslims.

We do? yeah, now i remember, you posted some bs written by some european nutjub, didn't want to fess up to the selective bolding in that thread but used only those words you bolded in another, the word preceding your bolded part was NEVER. That word was the most important one, of course, to trolls like yourself, these tiny things do not matter, and before you ask who i was before i was banned, let me tell you that i have been a lurker for years.

You get a cookie, now go join Infohawk under that bridge.

European government actions (as well as general society's sentiment) have caught the attention of many human rights groups, heads of international organizations such as the UN, newspapers, magazines, minority groups, and others all over the world. So, I guess you must be living under that bridge or want people to live under a bridge and pretend it doesn't exist.

I'd rather be a troll than someone wanting to oppress others.

And yet you are trying so hard to opress others by telling me that i am opressing muslims and worthless?

No, which european actions have been oppressive, just because you don't understand them does not make them oppressive, if you are really interested of the situation of arabs in europe, i am willing to discuss it, but not if you are going to state that we are opressed every time you post.

It might be me being semitic and european, but i think i know more about it than you, especially as i do not pick specific reports made by bigots and then bod out the words so it makes a statement instead of bolding the word that precedes that statement, which was NEVER, i WOULD NEVER THINK THAT is pretty different than I THINK THAT, of course, to a troll like yourself, these things do not matter.

I'm not only discussing Arabs in Europe.

So are you calling Kofi Annan a bigot?

I am done feeding you, unless you have any specifics, go cuddle with infohawk under your bridge.

Kofi Annan have done many things, some great, some not so great, it takes a bigot to only recognize the ones that were not so great while leaving out the others, a bigot like yourself...

Now, go away.

Most (probably all) of my reports I posted about these incidents were written by reporters for majors news organizations.

So I'm a bigot because I want people to be treated as equals in society? How does that make me a bigot? I think that the people that want an institutionalized second-class citizen group are the bigots.

I guess the people that wanted apartheid to be abolished in South Africa were bigots too, huh? Damn those bigot slavery abolishonists, too! They're bigots for wanting people to desire the freedom from slavery!

 

[FrancesBeansRevenge]

Originally posted by: rickn
They were treated like crap until 1970 America got past slavery way before that.

Really? Black folk stopped being treated like crap in the US long before 1970? lol.

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: FrancesBeansRevenge

Originally posted by: rickn
They were treated like crap until 1970 America got past slavery way before that.

Really? Black folk stopped being treated like crap in the US long before 1970? lol.

well, we didn't have segregation then, and we didn't take their kids away and try and breed them into whites.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: FrancesBeansRevenge

Originally posted by: rickn
They were treated like crap until 1970 America got past slavery way before that.

Really? Black folk stopped being treated like crap in the US long before 1970? lol.

I think he's probably talking about the institutionalized kidnapping of aboriginals in Australia and various other programs that lasted well beyond the rest of the civilized world let such programs exist.

 

[FrancesBeansRevenge]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: FrancesBeansRevenge

Originally posted by: rickn
They were treated like crap until 1970 America got past slavery way before that.

Really? Black folk stopped being treated like crap in the US long before 1970? lol.

I think he's probably talking about the institutionalized kidnapping of aboriginals in Australia and various other programs that lasted well beyond the rest of the civilized world let such programs exist.

Yes, he is referring to the 'stolen generation' as it's called here. Yes it happened. Yes it's a black eye in Australian history for which there have been apologies made by the Australian public in form of National 'I'm Sorry' days etc. Unfortunately, there has been no official apology as it would open the government to liablities. There is however compensation much like the American indians recieve.

Anyway, what is your point rickn? Every country on earth has black marks in it's history.

I said in my original post that Australia was only slightly less barborous then the US.

Let's not pretend that there is no reason the rest of the world fears the US and considers it (along with Israel) to be the biggest threats to world peace...

Let's at least be honest about our brutality as a nation...

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer
Israel are going to keep the occupied areas on the west bank, the US applauds that...

Sharon is a known terrorist and the US applaud his actions to keep thousands of palestinians in camps while stealing THEIR land?

To me this only means one thing, the US does not give a flying fvck about terrorists, they hate muslims, and that is it, now if i see it this way, how do you think the muslim world sees it?

Don't confuse the US (or North America) with Europe. Europe hates muslims.

We do? yeah, now i remember, you posted some bs written by some european nutjub, didn't want to fess up to the selective bolding in that thread but used only those words you bolded in another, the word preceding your bolded part was NEVER. That word was the most important one, of course, to trolls like yourself, these tiny things do not matter, and before you ask who i was before i was banned, let me tell you that i have been a lurker for years.

You get a cookie, now go join Infohawk under that bridge.

European government actions (as well as general society's sentiment) have caught the attention of many human rights groups, heads of international organizations such as the UN, newspapers, magazines, minority groups, and others all over the world. So, I guess you must be living under that bridge or want people to live under a bridge and pretend it doesn't exist.

I'd rather be a troll than someone wanting to oppress others.

And yet you are trying so hard to opress others by telling me that i am opressing muslims and worthless?

No, which european actions have been oppressive, just because you don't understand them does not make them oppressive, if you are really interested of the situation of arabs in europe, i am willing to discuss it, but not if you are going to state that we are opressed every time you post.

It might be me being semitic and european, but i think i know more about it than you, especially as i do not pick specific reports made by bigots and then bod out the words so it makes a statement instead of bolding the word that precedes that statement, which was NEVER, i WOULD NEVER THINK THAT is pretty different than I THINK THAT, of course, to a troll like yourself, these things do not matter.

I'm not only discussing Arabs in Europe.

So are you calling Kofi Annan a bigot?

I am done feeding you, unless you have any specifics, go cuddle with infohawk under your bridge.

Kofi Annan have done many things, some great, some not so great, it takes a bigot to only recognize the ones that were not so great while leaving out the others, a bigot like yourself...

Now, go away.

Most (probably all) of my reports I posted about these incidents were written by reporters for majors news organizations.

So I'm a bigot because I want people to be treated as equals in society? How does that make me a bigot? I think that the people that want an institutionalized second-class citizen group are the bigots.

I guess the people that wanted apartheid to be abolished in South Africa were bigots too, huh? Damn those bigot slavery abolishonists, too! They're bigots for wanting people to desire the freedom from slavery!

No, you are a bigot because you are one-sided, that is the very definition of a bigot.


You do not believe in anything, skip the intro, you just want to bash europe, however, you missed the target, because i, along with a shitload of other europeans do not hate, we love. Too bad that people like you are trying to pick a fight where there is none. (using articles that state that there will NEVER be be another holocaust while bolding out everything except NEVER)

So, which european country has slaves, or are you referring to the past of the US?

So, pathetic or just wrong, how would you describe your ignorance?

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: AnImuS
arabs will always hate us aslong as we are on top. Even if we nuke the state of israel we will still be hated by them. its a lose-lose situation. we can lessen it by cutting support of israel, but that will never happen. Unfortunately, we have chosen a side.

Arabs will only hate us as long as we support Israel and meddle in their realm.

"Even if we nuke the state of israel we will still be hated by them."
Yes, but only if we kept our troops in the middle east. If we withdrew from the middle east in time and stopped supporting zionism muslims would stop having a reason to hate the US.

It's not a lose-lose situation. Again, we can make amends with Muslims like treating them as we would have them treat ourselves. Leave them alone; stop supporting their ennemies.

Just because we have chosen a side does not mean we cannot change sides.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: rickn

You are right. Australia is less barbarous

they are? I don't think the Aborgines of Australia would agree. They were treated like crap until 1970 America got past slavery way before that.

I don't think anyone was suggesting Australia has no barbarism in its past (or present). What the poster was saying that Australia is less barbarous.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer
Israel are going to keep the occupied areas on the west bank, the US applauds that...

Sharon is a known terrorist and the US applaud his actions to keep thousands of palestinians in camps while stealing THEIR land?

To me this only means one thing, the US does not give a flying fvck about terrorists, they hate muslims, and that is it, now if i see it this way, how do you think the muslim world sees it?

Don't confuse the US (or North America) with Europe. Europe hates muslims.

We do? yeah, now i remember, you posted some bs written by some european nutjub, didn't want to fess up to the selective bolding in that thread but used only those words you bolded in another, the word preceding your bolded part was NEVER. That word was the most important one, of course, to trolls like yourself, these tiny things do not matter, and before you ask who i was before i was banned, let me tell you that i have been a lurker for years.

You get a cookie, now go join Infohawk under that bridge.

European government actions (as well as general society's sentiment) have caught the attention of many human rights groups, heads of international organizations such as the UN, newspapers, magazines, minority groups, and others all over the world. So, I guess you must be living under that bridge or want people to live under a bridge and pretend it doesn't exist.

I'd rather be a troll than someone wanting to oppress others.

And yet you are trying so hard to opress others by telling me that i am opressing muslims and worthless?

No, which european actions have been oppressive, just because you don't understand them does not make them oppressive, if you are really interested of the situation of arabs in europe, i am willing to discuss it, but not if you are going to state that we are opressed every time you post.

It might be me being semitic and european, but i think i know more about it than you, especially as i do not pick specific reports made by bigots and then bod out the words so it makes a statement instead of bolding the word that precedes that statement, which was NEVER, i WOULD NEVER THINK THAT is pretty different than I THINK THAT, of course, to a troll like yourself, these things do not matter.

I'm not only discussing Arabs in Europe.

So are you calling Kofi Annan a bigot?

I am done feeding you, unless you have any specifics, go cuddle with infohawk under your bridge.

Kofi Annan have done many things, some great, some not so great, it takes a bigot to only recognize the ones that were not so great while leaving out the others, a bigot like yourself...

Now, go away.

Most (probably all) of my reports I posted about these incidents were written by reporters for majors news organizations.

So I'm a bigot because I want people to be treated as equals in society? How does that make me a bigot? I think that the people that want an institutionalized second-class citizen group are the bigots.

I guess the people that wanted apartheid to be abolished in South Africa were bigots too, huh? Damn those bigot slavery abolishonists, too! They're bigots for wanting people to desire the freedom from slavery!

No, you are a bigot because you are one-sided, that is the very definition of a bigot.


You do not believe in anything, skip the intro, you just want to bash europe, however, you missed the target, because i, along with a shitload of other europeans do not hate, we love. Too bad that people like you are trying to pick a fight where there is none. (using articles that state that there will NEVER be be another holocaust while bolding out everything except NEVER)

So, which european country has slaves, or are you referring to the past of the US?

So, pathetic or just wrong, how would you describe your ignorance?

This issue is only one-sided. The equal treatment of people in society must be obtained. There are no other solutions. No negotiations, no alternatives. It's that simple. It's the 21st century. Developed, civilized nations should act so.

I think that's a good belief. So, how can you say that I don't believe in anything?

I agree that a "shitload" of Europeans don't hate. However, a "shitload" do and their attitude and behavior has penetrated governments. You can sit around and pretend everything is OK as long as it doesn't affect you, or you can actually try to alert others, change what's happening, etc. If I had the choice, I'd prefer to avoid the former option.

You're concentrating too much on my article I posted a long time ago. The quote was something like "i wouldn't say this is a holocaust, but this is how it begins." Maybe I should concentrate on your belief that abolishonists and anti-apartheid activists are bigots.

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: FrancesBeansRevenge

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: FrancesBeansRevenge

Originally posted by: rickn
They were treated like crap until 1970 America got past slavery way before that.

Really? Black folk stopped being treated like crap in the US long before 1970? lol.

I think he's probably talking about the institutionalized kidnapping of aboriginals in Australia and various other programs that lasted well beyond the rest of the civilized world let such programs exist.

Yes, he is referring to the 'stolen generation' as it's called here. Yes it happened. Yes it's a black eye in Australian history for which there have been apologies made by the Australian public in form of National 'I'm Sorry' days etc. Unfortunately, there has been no official apology as it would open the government to liablities. There is however compensation much like the American indians recieve.

Anyway, what is your point rickn? Every country on earth has black marks in it's history.

I said in my original post that Australia was only slightly less barborous then the US.

Let's not pretend that there is no reason the rest of the world fears the US and considers it (along with Israel) to be the biggest threats to world peace...

Let's at least be honest about our brutality as a nation...

my point is, don't go pointing fingers and calling an entire population barbarous when the skeletons in your closets aren't even dry yet. Not all Americans support the policies of our government. And don't try and downplay what Australia did to the Aborgines. It was Nazi-like. Inhumane, and with total irreverance for human life.

 

[Infohawk]

"And don't try and downplay what Australia did to the Aborgines. It was Nazi-like. Inhumane, and with total irreverance for human life."
Agreed.

"don't go pointing fingers and calling an entire population barbarous when the skeletons in your closets aren't even dry yet."
I disagree here. I believe the US should be allowed to criticize China's annexation of Tibet even though the US has annexed neighboring territories too in its past. If everyone had to be muzzled, the truth wouldn't come out.

So I say let's call it like it is: both the US and Australia have done heinous things (most societies have). On the whole though, and especially recently, I think the US has accumulated more injustice on its size. Thus I think it's understandable and perhaps commendable that the poster above would vote with his feet as so many neocons always suggest people should do: "love it or leave it."

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: FrancesBeansRevenge

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: FrancesBeansRevenge

Originally posted by: rickn
They were treated like crap until 1970 America got past slavery way before that.

Really? Black folk stopped being treated like crap in the US long before 1970? lol.

I think he's probably talking about the institutionalized kidnapping of aboriginals in Australia and various other programs that lasted well beyond the rest of the civilized world let such programs exist.

Yes, he is referring to the 'stolen generation' as it's called here. Yes it happened. Yes it's a black eye in Australian history for which there have been apologies made by the Australian public in form of National 'I'm Sorry' days etc. Unfortunately, there has been no official apology as it would open the government to liablities. There is however compensation much like the American indians recieve.

Anyway, what is your point rickn? Every country on earth has black marks in it's history.

I said in my original post that Australia was only slightly less barborous then the US.

Let's not pretend that there is no reason the rest of the world fears the US and considers it (along with Israel) to be the biggest threats to world peace...

Let's at least be honest about our brutality as a nation...

I agree that every nation has black marks. However, this was in fairly recent times, done by a modern, civilized society. That is barbarous.

Also, I don't think that if someone fears another means that the stronger nation is barbarous. However, I would agree that the US is probably more of a thug compared to Australia. I have to say though that compared to past superpowers, the US is very responsible.