Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Lemon law
Originally posted by: JD50
IMO, if they want to impeach then go ahead. If they have enough evidence where they think it would be successful, and they can prove that he actually did break the law, then good for them. As I've always said, if you can PROVE that Bush actually did break the law, then charge him. If he's convicted, I'll be right there with everyone else demanding the stiffest punishment possible.
As JD50 misses the entire point. The JD50 delusion is that JD50 matters, when what matters is the 49 GOP Senators who will say no to conviction.
Its the GOP that stops impeachment and its a waste of time before at least 17 GOP senators grow a brain with an iota of principle.
But when it comes to proof positive that GWB&co are violating the constitution and should be removed from office, that was established definitely years ago.
What in the world are you talking about? I believe the point of this thread was to get everyone's opinion on whether or not GWB should be impeached, I gave my opinion. Notice how my post started out with "IMO"? Do you understand what that means?
I don't think Lemon Law's point was that you shouldn't post your opinion, I think it was that you agreeing to something doesn't mean anything when 49 GOP will block conviction.
You seemed to be suggesting that there's nothing in the way of convicting Bush if the evidence is there, and Lemon Law was pointing out there's something in the way.
Lemon Law can speak for himself though, if I got it wrong.
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Craig234, you have my position stated exactly correctly. In terms of what the majority countrywide popular opinion is, the MSNBC poll somewhat speaks for itself although I think an 89% for impeachment may be a little high.
Which somewhat leads me into the next point, which is that the GOP leadership seems totally out of touch with the average voter. And for some reason, the GOP leadership seems to care only about its retained power rather than delivering any positive results as it approaches an election that will determine the next President, will determine 100% of the House of Representatives, and 1/3 of the Senate Members.
And at the rate the GOP leadership is going, they may be well on their way to becoming a much smaller part of government. The question almost becomes will they see the folly of their ways before or after they court a historic drubbing.
And the GOP will have very few of its ederly leadership to look at in rebuilding a possibly shattered GOP. Someone like Mitch McConnell may be a piss poor model to build on and someone like Lugar might make a positive example in the Senate. But gone will be people like Warner, Hagel, and Pete Demedici who were respected and knew how to work in a bipartisan manner.
Even if Boenher survives the election in the house, I see little reason for the GOP to rally around him for leadership. And we could easily see a 70 seat democratic majority in the house.
Even as a partisan democrat, I do not want to see the GOP demolished that badly. But bthe Republicans will have to learn to lose their power over principle metric that has led them to the disaster they now face.
And in terms of that old adage, lead, follow, or get out of the way, The arrogant version of the GOP has proved it can't lead, it still can't follow, and now it ma be the duty of the American voter to get them out of the way.
They have Keith Olbermann on the fucking station! PBS? Have seen a single one of their Frontline Documentaries?
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