Question. I haven't gotten my board or opteron yet but was wondering about memory. I have 4 sticks of Kingston HyperX 1GB 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 laying around unused at the moment 2 256 and 2 512 . Should I put all 4 sticks in?
I am looking for a d-Bracket 2, but nothing but finished auctions, any suggestions? Also, every since I installed this mobo and a Athlon 64 3200+ I have been having problems with Windows Explorer shutting down. If I right click, copy or try and delete a file I get a Data Execution Prevention (DEP) error. Had never seen this before, any suggestions?
Thanks
Dirk
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Dirk
D-bracket won't work. Check the location on the board for yourself, no pins unless you feel like soldering some on. They have those infrequent deals on that SOYO POST card and if the rebate house is ever OnRebate I'd jump.
Anyways, I once got an anomaly upon installing Windows XP Professional. I could not get Firefox to install, double clicking on the installer did nothing. I right clicked it and it said something like Prevent Access to this file and was checked. I believe it said -something- like that, this was almost two months ago and I haven't had any problems since. I unchecked it and all went well.
Maildude, see if you can run 1T with all four sticks, it depends on the the quality of the sticks and the memory controller. If you have an Revision-E Venice (Single Core A64) or Denmark/Manchester/Toledo (Dual Core A64) it should work fine. CPU-Z can tell you your revision. 1T is highly recommended due to the bandwidth increase I experienced. If you're not gaming and just using the machine as a general usage box I'd probably run 1GB if you can't get 1T running well.
Anyways, I once got an anomaly upon installing Windows XP Professional. I could not get Firefox to install, double clicking on the installer did nothing. I right clicked it and it said something like Prevent Access to this file and was checked. I believe it said -something- like that, this was almost two months ago and I haven't had any problems since. I unchecked it and all went well.
Maildude, see if you can run 1T with all four sticks, it depends on the the quality of the sticks and the memory controller. If you have an Revision-E Venice (Single Core A64) or Denmark/Manchester/Toledo (Dual Core A64) it should work fine. CPU-Z can tell you your revision. 1T is highly recommended due to the bandwidth increase I experienced. If you're not gaming and just using the machine as a general usage box I'd probably run 1GB if you can't get 1T running well.
I have 2x512MB running in mine. Seems ok, I'd guess OC wise you will need some trial and error.
My Cell Page doesn't have the "CPU Frequency Multiplier"
http://www.geocities.com/touchzen10/cell_menu.JPG
Is my bios correct?
http://www.geocities.com/touchzen10/bios.JPG
?
Thanks
It's called "Adjust CPU Ratio"
Remember to go into Advanced Chipset Setup (or something) in the main BIOS menu, and adjust the DRAM speed to 133, this will eliminate your RAM as the problem.
Remember to go into Advanced Chipset Setup (or something) in the main BIOS menu, and adjust the DRAM speed to 133, this will eliminate your RAM as the problem.
Has anyone tried the automatic overclock utility (Dynamic Overclocking) ? If so does this provide much improvement? Thanks
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OK, I have a question. Yeah, I know..again..
At 2600MHz, stock vcore
ram at 166, 3 3 3 8, 1T, 2.80 volts
runs OK
Thought I might try 2700MHz, so I upped vcore to 1.420 in bios
ram at 133, 3 3 3 8 will not post at either 1T or 2T
ram at 100, 3 3 3 8, will post at 1T or 2T
have not really done further testing after it posts, just wanted to get it to post.
so, it must be a ram deal, right? Which seems odd since it runs OK at 166 and 2600MHZ as mentioned above, which runs the ram faster than setting it at 133 and 2700MHz CPU
Thanks
At 2600MHz, stock vcore
ram at 166, 3 3 3 8, 1T, 2.80 volts
runs OK
Thought I might try 2700MHz, so I upped vcore to 1.420 in bios
ram at 133, 3 3 3 8 will not post at either 1T or 2T
ram at 100, 3 3 3 8, will post at 1T or 2T
have not really done further testing after it posts, just wanted to get it to post.
so, it must be a ram deal, right? Which seems odd since it runs OK at 166 and 2600MHZ as mentioned above, which runs the ram faster than setting it at 133 and 2700MHz CPU
Thanks
My board wont boot above 250MHZ even with CPU Ratio set as 5 and memoey set as 133 (also 3 3 8 3). It looks I have a bad board
. Thank all people for your kindly help.
Touchzen, push the pushpins on opposite corners of the Chipset heatsink. Make sure it's making good and proper contact. That's about the only issue I can think, as long as you've:
DRAM Speed: 133MHz
CPU Multiplier: Something low (say 6x)
HTT Speed: 250MHz
HTT Multiplier: 2x, 2.5x or 3x
Also, in the Cell Menu, there's an option that has the word Aggressive in it, make sure that is OFF.
Also, for shats and gaggles, try setting memory voltage to auto and try giving the chipset just a tiny bump in voltage (Chipset voltage is one of the very last options in the Cell Menu)
Geezerman. You say you've done nothing since your last overclock, except drop memory to 133MHz and increase HTT to increase CPU Clock and it won't POST? That's an odd one there. I recommend trying with one one stick of RAM, and also move the RAM around slots. When I used the 4 piper I used the memory slots closest to the CPU, when I switched to the ACF64P I switched my memory to the slots closest to the front of the case (i.e. Hard drives, CD-ROM, etc).
By the way, for anyone with the Ultra Liberty RAM, I've got both sticks stable at 3-3-3-8 1T @ 193MHz. One stick is rated for 3-4-4-8 and one is 3-3-3-8.
DRAM Speed: 133MHz
CPU Multiplier: Something low (say 6x)
HTT Speed: 250MHz
HTT Multiplier: 2x, 2.5x or 3x
Also, in the Cell Menu, there's an option that has the word Aggressive in it, make sure that is OFF.
Also, for shats and gaggles, try setting memory voltage to auto and try giving the chipset just a tiny bump in voltage (Chipset voltage is one of the very last options in the Cell Menu)
Geezerman. You say you've done nothing since your last overclock, except drop memory to 133MHz and increase HTT to increase CPU Clock and it won't POST? That's an odd one there. I recommend trying with one one stick of RAM, and also move the RAM around slots. When I used the 4 piper I used the memory slots closest to the CPU, when I switched to the ACF64P I switched my memory to the slots closest to the front of the case (i.e. Hard drives, CD-ROM, etc).
By the way, for anyone with the Ultra Liberty RAM, I've got both sticks stable at 3-3-3-8 1T @ 193MHz. One stick is rated for 3-4-4-8 and one is 3-3-3-8.
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Thanks Kenton. I did notice something interesting on our OEM board that is different than the standard MSI-7125 board. The pdf manual shows the slots as green,purple,green,purple while ours are green,green,purple,purple
May not mean anything. Other boards I have seen, and it's not many, have a different color for each memory channel
The other odd thing is the manual says don't use the purple slots unless the green slots are used. If you did that, you would get no dual channel (on the regular board, not the OEM) since you have to have a stick in each of the colors (not OEM) to get dual channel.
EDIT: Test Results
ONE 1GB stick of the PQI at 2700MHZ, ram at 166, 3 3 3 8...GO
ONE 1GB stick of the Ultra at 2700MHz ram at 166, 3 3 3 8...NO GO
TWO 1GB sticks of the Ultra at 2700MHz ram at 166, 3 3 3 8...NO GO
TWO 1GB sticks of the Ultra at 2722MHz ,ram at 166, 3 3 3 8....GO......Hmmmmmm.
Too hot of temps to try mem test at 2722MHz for me. Might need aftermarket HSF to do that.
Maybe be some convergence of HTT, CPU, divider...who knows...that the Ultra likes at certain settings, like 166 but not 133 . I did try swapping slots around too.
Looks like I will stay at 2600MHz, ram at 166, unless I get a better HSF
May not mean anything. Other boards I have seen, and it's not many, have a different color for each memory channel
The other odd thing is the manual says don't use the purple slots unless the green slots are used. If you did that, you would get no dual channel (on the regular board, not the OEM) since you have to have a stick in each of the colors (not OEM) to get dual channel.
EDIT: Test Results
ONE 1GB stick of the PQI at 2700MHZ, ram at 166, 3 3 3 8...GO
ONE 1GB stick of the Ultra at 2700MHz ram at 166, 3 3 3 8...NO GO
TWO 1GB sticks of the Ultra at 2700MHz ram at 166, 3 3 3 8...NO GO
TWO 1GB sticks of the Ultra at 2722MHz ,ram at 166, 3 3 3 8....GO......Hmmmmmm.
Too hot of temps to try mem test at 2722MHz for me. Might need aftermarket HSF to do that.
Maybe be some convergence of HTT, CPU, divider...who knows...that the Ultra likes at certain settings, like 166 but not 133 . I did try swapping slots around too.
Looks like I will stay at 2600MHz, ram at 166, unless I get a better HSF
Yes, I have noticed our memory slots are different as well. Despite the manual saying for Dual Channel use 1 & 3 or 2 & 4, dual channel is actually found through 1 & 2 or 3 & 4. I suspect this was an OEM change as to not confuse folks when upgrading memory. I have another nForce4 board that highly recommends using 1, 2 or 4 DIMMs, but not 3.
At any rate, I feel like I've throughly tested all four slots during my build/upgrade process.
I have also heard of "overclocking holes" like you are experiencing, though this is only on new Core 2 systems. The symptoms include known parts not running at known speeds, but adjusting the HTT(FSB for Core2) a little bit up allows the board to POST. When you can POST with a higher HTT than with a lower one, that is the "overclocking hole". I have not experienced this myself.
I'm also told, that when you use one stick only, you should try to use the first slot for that channel, meaning on our boards you would want DIMM slot 1 or 3.
At any rate, I feel like I've throughly tested all four slots during my build/upgrade process.
I have also heard of "overclocking holes" like you are experiencing, though this is only on new Core 2 systems. The symptoms include known parts not running at known speeds, but adjusting the HTT(FSB for Core2) a little bit up allows the board to POST. When you can POST with a higher HTT than with a lower one, that is the "overclocking hole". I have not experienced this myself.
I'm also told, that when you use one stick only, you should try to use the first slot for that channel, meaning on our boards you would want DIMM slot 1 or 3.
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So it must be a combination of the type of ram and the motherboard since the PQI ram does boot and the Ultra does not at that particular divider of 166 and CPU speed of 2700MHz.
On another issue, I'm having audio problems with the onboard audio, both digital and analog. It skips, sounds like a very rapid drum beat. Probably driver problem, or conflict.
I did download the latest AC97 driver. Still got the problem. Anyone else have this going on?
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Well, looks like speedfan was causing my audio stuttering problem. I see some mention of it on the web.
I went to the bother of loading up a basic drive image, with very few programs, that I did with Acronis that I saved from early in my windows installation to a spare hard drive. I listened for awhile, no problems, I then loaded speedfan, and BAM, instant stuttering in streaming internet audio.
Took an hour, but I found it.
I went to the bother of loading up a basic drive image, with very few programs, that I did with Acronis that I saved from early in my windows installation to a spare hard drive. I listened for awhile, no problems, I then loaded speedfan, and BAM, instant stuttering in streaming internet audio.
Took an hour, but I found it.
I never had any audio problems under Windows XP 32bit or Windows Vista Ultimate (RC2). I used the latest drivers from Reaktek's website for the ALC650/850 chipset. I have never used analog.
I am now using an AuzenTech X-Plosion (I need the DTS 5-7.1 encoding, old SoundStorm technology) and have been for a long time.
I am now using an AuzenTech X-Plosion (I need the DTS 5-7.1 encoding, old SoundStorm technology) and have been for a long time.
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I have my Creative xtrememusic card sitting here that I will install later today. I was having the audio problems with the analog or digital with onboard audio
I have been using the AC97 drivers, I don't see a specific ALC850 driver. Did you find one?
I have been using the AC97 drivers, I don't see a specific ALC850 driver. Did you find one?
ftp://152.104.238.194/pc/audio/WDM_A396.exe
That's the one I used (that's Realtek's FTP server, and not a rogue malware spewer)
That's the one I used (that's Realtek's FTP server, and not a rogue malware spewer)
http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/ then click on AC'97 and it's somewhere on that page under the Windows box.
There is something you can help me with, though! I've never been big on backups, except burning CDs and DVDs with my programs on it. I've never done a fully restoreable backup like you'd find with Dell/Gateway/etc computers. I see you mentioned Acronis and I have Acronis 9.0 (borrowed it from a friend who never used it) and I'm making a backup file of my C:\ right now (incrementally split into 4.7GB chunks for my DVD burner)
Do you know how I would burn my backups to a DVD and it be bootable? Basically, I'm building a computer for a friend who's 200+ miles away and I can't support him if something goes wrong so I wanted to make him a bootable restore disc that would be easy to use.
Can you help me with that? I'll sign on AIM in a few minutes, my SN is ScarceHope. Otherwise please e-mail me at kenton@nospam.kenton.org (remove nospam) THANKS
There is something you can help me with, though! I've never been big on backups, except burning CDs and DVDs with my programs on it. I've never done a fully restoreable backup like you'd find with Dell/Gateway/etc computers. I see you mentioned Acronis and I have Acronis 9.0 (borrowed it from a friend who never used it) and I'm making a backup file of my C:\ right now (incrementally split into 4.7GB chunks for my DVD burner)
Do you know how I would burn my backups to a DVD and it be bootable? Basically, I'm building a computer for a friend who's 200+ miles away and I can't support him if something goes wrong so I wanted to make him a bootable restore disc that would be easy to use.
Can you help me with that? I'll sign on AIM in a few minutes, my SN is ScarceHope. Otherwise please e-mail me at kenton@nospam.kenton.org (remove nospam) THANKS
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I have always done complete backups to another disk or USB hard drive. I have not done a DVD backup, but it can be done with the create bootable media option in the startup menu.. Acronis is really neat. I always make a backup after I get my basic software, and drivers loaded. It's much better than system restore, and if you have the back up image on another internal drive, you can restore it real quick, like a 90GB image restored in 50 minutes. It really came in handy when installing a ATI HDTV tuner, that very often can screw up windows. It can make you lazy, instead of figuring out the problem, you just load the image. The secure zone image is nice too, it makes a partition on your main drive and stores an image there that you can access outside of windows to recover.
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