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pulse8

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: pulse8
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: pulse8
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: McCarthy
By reading the forum over there I've found that before the FBI raid the site did have 20meg downloadable episodes. Had to have been pretty crappy to watch, but quality of material doesn't count.

Which in no way validates the tactics employed by the MPAA and FBI in this matter. A certified letter from an attorney would probably have sufficed. Instead...

A 6:30 am raid on an apartment conducted by FBI agents who flew to Ohio from LA (our tax dollars at work)
During which the site owner and his girlfriend had to have agents in the room while they were dressing The girlfriend wasn't real happy on that point. Siezure of apparently all computer equipment on premisis. Destruction of some of it, returned 8 months later. (clumsy or ? )
A three year investigation (before raid and ongoing)

That the MPAA is looking to make examples of people is understandable. Might not be good business, but they seem to think so and what the site owner was doing was likely illegal. That the FBI not only went along with it, but have pursured this with great zeal, using provisions of the then brand new Patriot Act and causing property destruction bordering on malice is damn disturbing.

Now that we know they were distributing episodes we know they were breaking the law.

But, my earlier point still stands. Besides the word of the defendant, how do we know the "patriot act" was used? How do we know property was destroyed?

Taking only the word of a defendant in a criminal case is like taking OJ's word that he was framed. There IS another side to this and we are not hearing it.

Am I saying he is lying? No. I AM saying we cannot know.

And it doesn't scare you to think that even half of what he's saying is true?

Half? No. Half would be he was caught breaking the law and distributing copyrighted material. His computers were seized as evidence. That could be the half that was true, and the half that would not scare me.

If they did damage his stuiff, that would upset me. If the patriot act was used, that wopuld upset me. But we don't KNOW these things happened. To act as if they are true is as silly as acting os if OJ was framed.

So you would have no problems with the FBI using 3 years of manpower to bring down a web site hosting SG1 episodes? Seems a bit excessive and a waste of time to me.

Would you be complaining if they were trying to catch someone who was robbing you of your property?

Three years sounds like foot dragging, not a waste of resources. If anything, the fact that it took three years should piss off the MPAA, not you or the defendant.

How do you know? We haven't heard the whole story. :roll:
 

notfred

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Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: Fausto
Originally posted by: joshsquall
What's on the website? Any copyrighted material? If so, he probably deserved it.
I honestly don't know, but it's really more an issue of priorities IMHO. Some guy with SG1 eps on his site isn't going to ram a passenger plane into the Sears Tower any time soon.

It's still illegal. That's like saying it's okay to torture your dog because someone else is killing people.

No, that's like saying it's ok for the FBI to ignore murderers and rapists, and concentrate on people abusing thier pets instead, because PETA made enough noise and threw enough lawyers/money at them.
 

raystorm

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Here's a little more info regarding the owner of the site.

more info...

looks like he was warned by the MPAA then instead of taking out the streaming episodes off the site he just moved the entire site overseas and continued to have the episodes online.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: raystorm
Here's a little more info regarding the owner of the site.

more info...

looks like he was warned by the MPAA then instead of taking out the streaming episodes off the site he just moved the entire site overseas and continued to have the episodes online.

Whoops! Looks like there IS another side to the story.
 

yukichigai

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Originally posted by: raystorm
Here's a little more info regarding the owner of the site.

more info...

looks like he was warned by the MPAA then instead of taking out the streaming episodes off the site he just moved the entire site overseas and continued to have the episodes online.
If what is said here is true this may have been one of the few times FBI involvement was necessary to catch someone committing illegal acts. Had the Patriot Act not been in place I'm sure there were other ways they could have subpoena'd his financial records.

Storming his place at 6am was a little excessive though. And the part where they f%$#ed up his computer equipment.
 

McCarthy

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Originally posted by: raystorm
Here's a little more info regarding the owner of the site.

more info...

looks like he was warned by the MPAA then instead of taking out the streaming episodes off the site he just moved the entire site overseas and continued to have the episodes online.

Saw that, interesting. Of course in the link in the orginal post the site owner said "References were made to a cease and desist letter sent by the MPAA to an email address that did not exist" Again who's telling the truth? One of the moderators (not the owner) from the site replied to points. Not agreeing with her rebuttal, just sharing it (which is probably illegal to copy/paste...)

"After receiving letters from the Motion Picture Association of America requesting that he stop streaming the episodes, McGaughey moved his website overseas and continued to stream episodes over the Internet until April 2003."

The site was never streaming anything, but did provide links to servers that had downloads available. No MPAA letter was ever received and McGaughey removed those links in 2002 after the FBI raided his home. McGaughey did not move his website overseas; the host of the site has changed a couple of times, but have all been in the US. It is currently hosted in Michigan.

"McGaughey profited from his website through advertising and sales links on the website itself."

While it is true that he receives a percentage from sales made by linking to businesses on his website, they basically just cover the costs of operating the site. He is employed elsewhere and runs the site mainly as a hobby.

"Stargate SG-1 is produced by MGM and airs on Showtime and UPN."

Stargate aired on Showtime only until the Spring of 2002. Since then it has aired on Scifi channel. Syndicated episodes run on UPN.


Her last two points don't seem valid, but the first part is very interesting. Hard to believe after being raided by the FBI he'd move the site offshore and continue the same thing, but who knows. A member asked what part of the Patriot Act was used, we'll see if there's a reply from the owner on that one.
 

yukichigai

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I did find it interesting that the case against him cited advertising revenue as a copyright infringment. How? It's advertising, it comes on most every site. If you can't run a fansite and advertise on it, then how are you supposed to keep the fansite up? Magic?
 

phantom309

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Originally posted by: Electric Amish
Originally posted by: IHYLN
this is why voting is important :)

Yeah, because the president has sooo much control over this kind of stuff.
Uh, Congress does have control over that kind of stuff, and all our congressmen are elected too - or did you not know that?
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: Electric Amish
Originally posted by: IHYLN
this is why voting is important :)

Yeah, because the president has sooo much control over this kind of stuff.

He's only the chief law enforcement officer of the United States. :roll:
 

yukichigai

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: Electric Amish
Originally posted by: IHYLN
this is why voting is important :)

Yeah, because the president has sooo much control over this kind of stuff.

He's only the chief law enforcement officer of the United States. :roll:
Hrm, interesting. I mean he is the head of the Executive branch, as in executing/carrying out duties. Not sure that makes him the head law enforcement officer though.
 

Fenixgoon

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did anyone notice who bitched and got the fbi on it? MPAA. if they hadn't whined, that guy would have been left alone.
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: yukichigai
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: Electric Amish
Originally posted by: IHYLN
this is why voting is important :)

Yeah, because the president has sooo much control over this kind of stuff.

He's only the chief law enforcement officer of the United States. :roll:
Hrm, interesting. I mean he is the head of the Executive branch, as in executing/carrying out duties. Not sure that makes him the head law enforcement officer though.


The DOJ reports to the president, not Congress.
 

Mill

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: Electric Amish
Originally posted by: IHYLN
this is why voting is important :)

Yeah, because the president has sooo much control over this kind of stuff.

He's only the chief law enforcement officer of the United States. :roll:

No, he isn't you nimwit.

The Attorney General, as head of the Department of Justice and chief law enforcement officer of the Federal Government...

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SuperTool

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Weren't republicans b!tching about Clinton being the chief law enforcement officer during the impeachment?
Ashcroft reports to Bush. But I agree with you, Bush is not responsible for anything his administration does :D
 

Falloutboy

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they do know that most sg1 fans just use bit torrent when the new eps show ealier over seas....(IE....in the second half of the season when britain is a couple weeks ahead of the US.) This will stop nothing
 

CptObvious

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Originally posted by: yukichigai
I did find it interesting that the case against him cited advertising revenue as a copyright infringment. How? It's advertising, it comes on most every site. If you can't run a fansite and advertise on it, then how are you supposed to keep the fansite up? Magic?
I'm not a lawyer, but I think the ad revenue would work against a possible fair use defense. Certain uses are protected (to a certain extent) as fair use, like educational, research, or commentary. However if the feds show he was making money from it, even a small amount, it will be much harder for him to raise it.
 

pulse8

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
Weren't republicans b!tching about Clinton being the chief law enforcement officer during the impeachment?
Ashcroft reports to Bush. But I agree with you, Bush is not responsible for anything his administration does :D

Apparently it seems that NO ONE is responsible for what ANYONE in that administration does.
 

Amused

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Apr 14, 2001
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Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
did anyone notice who bitched and got the fbi on it? MPAA. if they hadn't whined, that guy would have been left alone.

Of course. How can the police know if someone is stealing from you or not unless you tell them?
 
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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
did anyone notice who bitched and got the fbi on it? MPAA. if they hadn't whined, that guy would have been left alone.

Of course. How can the police know if someone is stealing from you or not unless you tell them?

Perhaps it was continuous pressure. Maybe that's why it took 3 years. They kept back-burnering it hopeing it would go away. But the MPAA kept pushing it and they eventually had to do something.
 

Balt

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Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
haha now that they abuse it people finally care.

They've been abusing it for a while, and most people still don't care.

Most people are also f'ing idiots, unfortunately.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
did anyone notice who bitched and got the fbi on it? MPAA. if they hadn't whined, that guy would have been left alone.

Of course. How can the police know if someone is stealing from you or not unless you tell them?

Perhaps it was continuous pressure. Maybe that's why it took 3 years. They kept back-burnering it hopeing it would go away. But the MPAA kept pushing it and they eventually had to do something.

Wouldn't you do the same if someone was stealing from you?
 

DAGTA

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Originally posted by: crumpet19
How bout a revolution?

This is the only way this government will change. Voting won't do anything... all of the government is corrupt. You're just 'electing' a different face.

A revolution is pretty much the only answer, but it won't happen because most of the people are distracted and content with their 'reality' TV and SUVs.
 

Kenazo

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Silly Americans and their weird politics. In Canada a right-wing party is usually hard-core against government involvement in anything.