MPAA + Patriot Act + FBI = SG1Archive.com go bye-bye.

[isasir]

Originally posted by: Amused
This is quite a one sided story. It would be nice to hear it from an objective third party.

Notice he does not tell us what material was a violation of copyright laws... among many other things.

I guess the LCD screen was a violation of copyright, since it got shattered and all.

A 3 year investigation? Talk about dragging your feet on a trivial (in the grand scale of things the FBI could do) matter.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: Ilmater
Even I don't want to mention that this belongs on P&N. This pisses me off to a degree I previously thought impossible.

If I wanted to discuss this with those idiots, I'd have posted it there.

 

[Megatomic]

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: Megatomic
Every year we lose just a little more of our civil freedom in this country. It's sad to just see it all erode away. :|

It's not your civil freedom to use copyrighted material for your website.

Indeed, you are right. But I never said it was. I was making a generality.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: isasir

Originally posted by: Amused
This is quite a one sided story. It would be nice to hear it from an objective third party.

Notice he does not tell us what material was a violation of copyright laws... among many other things.

I guess the LCD screen was a violation of copyright, since it got shattered and all.

A 3 year investigation? Talk about dragging your feet on a trivial (in the grand scale of things the FBI could do) matter.

Again, these are claims made by one arguably biased man with no corroborating evidence or witness.

We are not hearing the other side of the story, or even a objective view of the situation.

Would you believe everything any criminal defendant told you? Of course not.

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: freegeeks
The Land Of The Not So Free

Quiet Belgium, we have amusement parks bigger than you.

Hey, at least they have their priorities in order. Beer, chocolate, frites, cycling, and more beer first....we'll figure out the rest later.

Don't forget some of the best small arms in the world, we buy them.

I :heart: Fabrique National.

All the :heart: for Belgium in this thread

pwew

mostly I get

"stfu you European-Racist-Commy-Pinko-Socialist-Tree-Hugger" or something like that

an related to this thread - almost every week I'm making a Top Gear vidcap and a bittorrent for the Anandtech members because it's not on American networks -

I'm seriously considering not doing this anymore if you read crap like this
I don't want black suits knocking on my door

 

[RaiseUp]

Kinda like Tommy Chong, geez thats why we got planes going into buildings, because the Government takes 3 years on Bullshit.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: freegeeks
The Land Of The Not So Free

Quiet Belgium, we have amusement parks bigger than you.

Hey, at least they have their priorities in order. Beer, chocolate, frites, cycling, and more beer first....we'll figure out the rest later.

Don't forget some of the best small arms in the world, we buy them.

I :heart: Fabrique National.

All the :heart: for Belgium in this thread

pwew

mostly I get

"stfu you European-Racist-Commy-Pinko-Socialist-Tree-Hugger" or something like that

an related to this thread - almost every week I'm making a Top Gear vidcap and a bittorrent for the Anandtech members because it's not on American networks -

I'm seriously considering not doing this anymore if you read crap like this
I don't want black suits knocking on my door

:music:"....unmarked helicopters.....hovering.....":music:

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: freegeeks
The Land Of The Not So Free

Quiet Belgium, we have amusement parks bigger than you.

Hey, at least they have their priorities in order. Beer, chocolate, frites, cycling, and more beer first....we'll figure out the rest later.

Don't forget some of the best small arms in the world, we buy them.

I :heart: Fabrique National.

All the :heart: for Belgium in this thread

pwew

mostly I get

"stfu you European-Racist-Commy-Pinko-Socialist-Tree-Hugger" or something like that

an related to this thread - almost every week I'm making a Top Gear vidcap and a bittorrent for the Anandtech members because it's not on American networks -

I'm seriously considering not doing this anymore if you read crap like this
I don't want black suits knocking on my door

:music:"....unmarked helicopters.....hovering.....":music:

no more cycling races caps for you --- remember Copyright violations

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: freegeeks
The Land Of The Not So Free

Quiet Belgium, we have amusement parks bigger than you.

Hey, at least they have their priorities in order. Beer, chocolate, frites, cycling, and more beer first....we'll figure out the rest later.

Don't forget some of the best small arms in the world, we buy them.

I :heart: Fabrique National.

All the :heart: for Belgium in this thread

pwew

mostly I get

"stfu you European-Racist-Commy-Pinko-Socialist-Tree-Hugger" or something like that

an related to this thread - almost every week I'm making a Top Gear vidcap and a bittorrent for the Anandtech members because it's not on American networks -

I'm seriously considering not doing this anymore if you read crap like this
I don't want black suits knocking on my door

Oh, just relax. 9 out of 10 U.S. Government employees couldn't find Belgium on a map if their life depended on it.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: freegeeks
The Land Of The Not So Free

Quiet Belgium, we have amusement parks bigger than you.

Hey, at least they have their priorities in order. Beer, chocolate, frites, cycling, and more beer first....we'll figure out the rest later.

Don't forget some of the best small arms in the world, we buy them.

I :heart: Fabrique National.

All the :heart: for Belgium in this thread

pwew

mostly I get

"stfu you European-Racist-Commy-Pinko-Socialist-Tree-Hugger" or something like that

an related to this thread - almost every week I'm making a Top Gear vidcap and a bittorrent for the Anandtech members because it's not on American networks -

I'm seriously considering not doing this anymore if you read crap like this
I don't want black suits knocking on my door

:music:"....unmarked helicopters.....hovering.....":music:

no more cycling races caps for you --- remember Copyright violations

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!



:brokenheart:

 

[woowoo]

Originally posted by: IHYLN
this is why voting is important

Yep!

 

[GoodToGo]

Hmm, I browsed through it and could not find anything out of ordinary as far the content goes. Its a great guide to stargate and all but no outright copyright violation.

 

[Gravity]

Originally posted by: IHYLN
this is why voting is important

What do you mean by this? Will dems be less attentive to prosecuting this type of ...ulp, crime?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: GoodToGo
Hmm, I browsed through it and could not find anything out of ordinary as far the content goes. Its a great guide to stargate and all but no outright copyright violation.

Chances are all offending material has been removed?

 

[GoodToGo]

OBTW, I :heart: Stargate. Still stuck on season 3 though

 

[McCarthy]

By reading the forum over there I've found that before the FBI raid the site did have 20meg downloadable episodes. Had to have been pretty crappy to watch, but quality of material doesn't count.

Which in no way validates the tactics employed by the MPAA and FBI in this matter. A certified letter from an attorney would probably have sufficed. Instead...

A 6:30 am raid on an apartment conducted by FBI agents who flew to Ohio from LA (our tax dollars at work)
During which the site owner and his girlfriend had to have agents in the room while they were dressing The girlfriend wasn't real happy on that point.
Siezure of apparently all computer equipment on premisis. Destruction of some of it, returned 8 months later. (clumsy or ? )
A three year investigation (before raid and ongoing)

That the MPAA is looking to make examples of people is understandable. Might not be good business, but they seem to think so and what the site owner was doing was likely illegal. That the FBI not only went along with it, but have pursured this with great zeal, using provisions of the then brand new Patriot Act and causing property destruction bordering on malice is damn disturbing.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: McCarthy
By reading the forum over there I've found that before the FBI raid the site did have 20meg downloadable episodes. Had to have been pretty crappy to watch, but quality of material doesn't count.

Which in no way validates the tactics employed by the MPAA and FBI in this matter. A certified letter from an attorney would probably have sufficed. Instead...

A 6:30 am raid on an apartment conducted by FBI agents who flew to Ohio from LA (our tax dollars at work)
During which the site owner and his girlfriend had to have agents in the room while they were dressing The girlfriend wasn't real happy on that point.
Siezure of apparently all computer equipment on premisis. Destruction of some of it, returned 8 months later. (clumsy or ? )
A three year investigation (before raid and ongoing)

That the MPAA is looking to make examples of people is understandable. Might not be good business, but they seem to think so and what the site owner was doing was likely illegal. That the FBI not only went along with it, but have pursured this with great zeal, using provisions of the then brand new Patriot Act and causing property destruction bordering on malice is damn disturbing.

Now that we know they were distributing episodes we know they were breaking the law.

But, my earlier point still stands. Besides the word of the defendant, how do we know the "patriot act" was used? How do we know property was destroyed?

Taking only the word of a defendant in a criminal case is like taking OJ's word that he was framed. There IS another side to this and we are not hearing it.

Am I saying he is lying? No. I AM saying we cannot know.

 

[pulse8]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: McCarthy
By reading the forum over there I've found that before the FBI raid the site did have 20meg downloadable episodes. Had to have been pretty crappy to watch, but quality of material doesn't count.

Which in no way validates the tactics employed by the MPAA and FBI in this matter. A certified letter from an attorney would probably have sufficed. Instead...

A 6:30 am raid on an apartment conducted by FBI agents who flew to Ohio from LA (our tax dollars at work)
During which the site owner and his girlfriend had to have agents in the room while they were dressing The girlfriend wasn't real happy on that point. Siezure of apparently all computer equipment on premisis. Destruction of some of it, returned 8 months later. (clumsy or ? )
A three year investigation (before raid and ongoing)

That the MPAA is looking to make examples of people is understandable. Might not be good business, but they seem to think so and what the site owner was doing was likely illegal. That the FBI not only went along with it, but have pursured this with great zeal, using provisions of the then brand new Patriot Act and causing property destruction bordering on malice is damn disturbing.

Now that we know they were distributing episodes we know they were breaking the law.

But, my earlier point still stands. Besides the word of the defendant, how do we know the "patriot act" was used? How do we know property was destroyed?

Taking only the word of a defendant in a criminal case is like taking OJ's word that he was framed. There IS another side to this and we are not hearing it.

Am I saying he is lying? No. I AM saying we cannot know.

And it doesn't scare you to think that even half of what he's saying is true?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: McCarthy
By reading the forum over there I've found that before the FBI raid the site did have 20meg downloadable episodes. Had to have been pretty crappy to watch, but quality of material doesn't count.

Which in no way validates the tactics employed by the MPAA and FBI in this matter. A certified letter from an attorney would probably have sufficed. Instead...

A 6:30 am raid on an apartment conducted by FBI agents who flew to Ohio from LA (our tax dollars at work)
During which the site owner and his girlfriend had to have agents in the room while they were dressing The girlfriend wasn't real happy on that point. Siezure of apparently all computer equipment on premisis. Destruction of some of it, returned 8 months later. (clumsy or ? )
A three year investigation (before raid and ongoing)

That the MPAA is looking to make examples of people is understandable. Might not be good business, but they seem to think so and what the site owner was doing was likely illegal. That the FBI not only went along with it, but have pursured this with great zeal, using provisions of the then brand new Patriot Act and causing property destruction bordering on malice is damn disturbing.

Now that we know they were distributing episodes we know they were breaking the law.

But, my earlier point still stands. Besides the word of the defendant, how do we know the "patriot act" was used? How do we know property was destroyed?

Taking only the word of a defendant in a criminal case is like taking OJ's word that he was framed. There IS another side to this and we are not hearing it.

Am I saying he is lying? No. I AM saying we cannot know.

And it doesn't scare you to think that even half of what he's saying is true?

Half? No. Half would be he was caught breaking the law and distributing copyrighted material. His computers were seized as evidence. That could be the half that was true, and the half that would not scare me.

If they did damage his stuiff, that would upset me. If the patriot act was used, that wopuld upset me. But we don't KNOW these things happened. To act as if they are true is as silly as acting os if OJ was framed.

 

[Ausm]

Originally posted by: IHYLN
this is why voting is important

Amen Brother!!


Sysadmin

 

[Ausm]

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: joshsquall
What's on the website? Any copyrighted material? If so, he probably deserved it.

I honestly don't know, but it's really more an issue of priorities IMHO. Some guy with SG1 eps on his site isn't going to ram a passenger plane into the Sears Tower any time soon.

You got a point there....This homeland security and copyright B.S needs a serious enema.


Sysadmin

 

[pulse8]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: McCarthy
By reading the forum over there I've found that before the FBI raid the site did have 20meg downloadable episodes. Had to have been pretty crappy to watch, but quality of material doesn't count.

Which in no way validates the tactics employed by the MPAA and FBI in this matter. A certified letter from an attorney would probably have sufficed. Instead...

A 6:30 am raid on an apartment conducted by FBI agents who flew to Ohio from LA (our tax dollars at work)
During which the site owner and his girlfriend had to have agents in the room while they were dressing The girlfriend wasn't real happy on that point. Siezure of apparently all computer equipment on premisis. Destruction of some of it, returned 8 months later. (clumsy or ? )
A three year investigation (before raid and ongoing)

That the MPAA is looking to make examples of people is understandable. Might not be good business, but they seem to think so and what the site owner was doing was likely illegal. That the FBI not only went along with it, but have pursured this with great zeal, using provisions of the then brand new Patriot Act and causing property destruction bordering on malice is damn disturbing.

Now that we know they were distributing episodes we know they were breaking the law.

But, my earlier point still stands. Besides the word of the defendant, how do we know the "patriot act" was used? How do we know property was destroyed?

Taking only the word of a defendant in a criminal case is like taking OJ's word that he was framed. There IS another side to this and we are not hearing it.

Am I saying he is lying? No. I AM saying we cannot know.

And it doesn't scare you to think that even half of what he's saying is true?

Half? No. Half would be he was caught breaking the law and distributing copyrighted material. His computers were seized as evidence. That could be the half that was true, and the half that would not scare me.

If they did damage his stuiff, that would upset me. If the patriot act was used, that wopuld upset me. But we don't KNOW these things happened. To act as if they are true is as silly as acting os if OJ was framed.

So you would have no problems with the FBI using 3 years of manpower to bring down a web site hosting SG1 episodes? Seems a bit excessive and a waste of time to me.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: McCarthy
By reading the forum over there I've found that before the FBI raid the site did have 20meg downloadable episodes. Had to have been pretty crappy to watch, but quality of material doesn't count.

Which in no way validates the tactics employed by the MPAA and FBI in this matter. A certified letter from an attorney would probably have sufficed. Instead...

A 6:30 am raid on an apartment conducted by FBI agents who flew to Ohio from LA (our tax dollars at work)
During which the site owner and his girlfriend had to have agents in the room while they were dressing The girlfriend wasn't real happy on that point. Siezure of apparently all computer equipment on premisis. Destruction of some of it, returned 8 months later. (clumsy or ? )
A three year investigation (before raid and ongoing)

That the MPAA is looking to make examples of people is understandable. Might not be good business, but they seem to think so and what the site owner was doing was likely illegal. That the FBI not only went along with it, but have pursured this with great zeal, using provisions of the then brand new Patriot Act and causing property destruction bordering on malice is damn disturbing.

Now that we know they were distributing episodes we know they were breaking the law.

But, my earlier point still stands. Besides the word of the defendant, how do we know the "patriot act" was used? How do we know property was destroyed?

Taking only the word of a defendant in a criminal case is like taking OJ's word that he was framed. There IS another side to this and we are not hearing it.

Am I saying he is lying? No. I AM saying we cannot know.

And it doesn't scare you to think that even half of what he's saying is true?

Half? No. Half would be he was caught breaking the law and distributing copyrighted material. His computers were seized as evidence. That could be the half that was true, and the half that would not scare me.

If they did damage his stuiff, that would upset me. If the patriot act was used, that wopuld upset me. But we don't KNOW these things happened. To act as if they are true is as silly as acting os if OJ was framed.

So you would have no problems with the FBI using 3 years of manpower to bring down a web site hosting SG1 episodes? Seems a bit excessive and a waste of time to me.

Would you be complaining if they were trying to catch someone who was robbing you of your property?

Three years sounds like foot dragging, not a waste of resources. If anything, the fact that it took three years should piss off the MPAA, not you or the defendant.

 

[McCarthy]

Wayback machine is fun

http://web.archive.org/web/20010418190842/http://www.sg1archive.com/


True, we only have one side. Making false public statements about the FBI during an ongoing investigation would be amazingly stupid, but then one could say so was creating the site in the first place. Though the former is after the lawyers got involved.

 

[Electric Amish]

Originally posted by: IHYLN
this is why voting is important

Yeah, because the president has sooo much control over this kind of stuff.