MP3 Player, right now.

[Ornery]

That's a whole other ball game, and $300.00 is a bargain in that case!

 

[RagingBITCH]

Why do you feel the need to be a bitter old man because you don't understand the changing needs of the world around you? Your incessant need to flame the hell out of everyone who disagrees with you is utterly retarded.

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: Ornery
$300.00 to play MP3s is not only a joke, it's retarded! And, in a fragile HDD to boot... brilliant! :roll:

"Music choice" is on the HDD of the desktop or laptop PC, which can be accessed at least daily. Spending that much to cart everything around is ludicrous, unless you can't get back to the PC for days or weeks.

I was away from home for 4 days, and I am bloody glad I had my iRiver, because it meant I could access 80% of my often-used music collection.
A 512MB player wouldn't have been enough.
And I have dropped my iRiver from 2~3ft and it still works fine (it was indoors though).
Not had any problems yet, although I have only had it for ~2 1/2 months.

Plus it works as a removable HDD, so you can transfer DVD's if you really wanted without needing to drag your computer to a friends house.

 

[Ornery]

need

1. A condition or situation in which something is required or wanted: crops in need of water; a need for affection.
2. Something required or wanted; a requisite: ?Those of us who led the charge for these women's issues... shared a common vision in the needs of women? (Olympia Snowe).
   
3. Necessity; obligation: There is no need for you to go.
   
4. A condition of poverty or misfortune: The family is in dire need.

:roll:

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Ornery
need

1. A condition or situation in which something is required or wanted: crops in need of water; a need for affection.
2. Something required or wanted; a requisite: ?Those of us who led the charge for these women's issues... shared a common vision in the needs of women? (Olympia Snowe).
   
3. Necessity; obligation: There is no need for you to go.
   
4. A condition of poverty or misfortune: The family is in dire need.

:roll:

Well that's quite arrogant of you now isn't it? Such a question remains so subjective that only a novice would use it for the sake or argument?

Do I need an mp3 player? Do I need my nice elather shoes? Of Course not. If that is your belief then sto posting because you don't need an account here either.


I do however NEED typing lessons😛

 

[Ornery]

...you don't understand the changing needs of the world around you?

To that I say, :roll:

 

[Gurck]

Going to go with the majority here (as far as hdd vs. flash), Ornery is being... well.. ornery 😛 Personally I like the idea of a hard drive based player for a number of reasons. If exercise is a concern, 128mb flash players are dirt-cheap these days, you can get one for next to nothing and buy a hdd player too - have your cake and eat it.

 

[Ornery]

"The majority" buy iPods. Fragile HDDs are my concern. They use a lot of power and they cost a small fortune, to boot. I'll just take the dirt cheap flash player and be done with it. It's still ten times better than what was available only a few years ago!

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: BullsOnParade
IPOD!!!! Why the hell would you buy anything else.

Features, sound quality, price, the right to freely manipulate music you own, free choice in collection management software, ogg and/or flac support, battery life... But "teh ipod iz kewl!!11!1oneoneone" :roll: In high school maybe... btw, when do you take the class which teaches you where question marks go? 😉

:fire;:evil:

1. Features - you mean stuff that I don't need? Voice recording is nice, but a novelty for me. I do wish I had an FM reciever for npr in general, market, and "all things considered,"

2. Sound Quality - yes.you are right. however, I choose to listen to QUALITY AUDIO through my stereo. ...and yes most of my music is in lossless and is as such when I put it on my pod unless I am patient and use anapod to transcode it. Lossless vs 320kbps mp3s don't make a difference when I am pedaling my ass of on my bike in the middle of the woods or listening to it in my car. You need Shur's to tell the difference.

3. ogg and/or flac support - I see nothing wrong with mp3, mp4 and Apple Lossless support. Using dbpower amp I successfuly converted all of my wma lossless to apple lossless withut a hitch and vice versa for sharing my lossless file samples by converting my mp4 lossless to wma lossless.....not a big deal. Oh, and don't bother telling me flac is better than apple lossless. It probably is, but once again, you probably won't be able to appreciate except if you are in a quiet room with shure e'x on. That, and wma lossless can go to 96/192....as if it matters....😛

4. battery life - you win. I have no quams here. Personally I don't require 24 hours of battery life, but I could see where it would be useful.

5. right to freely manipulate music you own - ?! - if yo uare talking about copy protection, that issue is somewhat universally applicable to all copy-protected material


6. free choice in collection management software - Yes. And much of it is complete crap. I'll admit that a few are quite good, but itunes and anapod have kept me happy.

If you don't want sound quality or features, why not buy a 40gb budget player in the low $200s instead of Apple's $300 for 20gb, $400 for 40? Reencoding files is unnecessary extra work for the sake of "thinking different" and the iPod is the only player about which I've heard horror stories of losing everything on the device thanks to protection features. Whether you like iTunes or not is beside the point, you have no real choice with an iPod, unless you want to use unsupported 3rd party software. Even then you only have a slightly larger choice. God forbid you be able to do it with a file manager...

But...but..but...:roll:

1. I never said I didn;t need audio quality. I have Sennheiser h470's and while they aren't crap, they are probably no Shure's in terms of audio quality repro. That said, lossless still sounds as good on them as on my Mirage floor-standers.
2. Reencoding? I simply do that becuase more people have WMP than anything else, so it makes it wasy for them. I NEVER have to reencode. As for transcoding, you ahve to do that on every player if you want to keep the files small, assumign they are in lossless. Everything else doesn't require transcoding.
3. Horror stories due to protection features? I'm not speaking for anyone else here, but I have read an ARRAY of horror stories for almsot every player available. IPODs aren't 100%, but from the reviews, good and bad, they are quite good, and the copy protection has never been something I have run into, and I use mp4-protected songs all the time. Apple was very generous in this respect, jsut as wma resellers have been.
4. Itunes is besides the point? Why? It is the predominant software for it.
5. No real choice? Itunes, anapod, ephpod....since when is this stuff "unsupported?"
6. God forbid with a filemanager? That is personal preference. I could find you 30 people that use a filemanager and 30 people that don't. Honestly, finding people that don't would be easier, but I am not denying that a lot of people use a file manager system with trees an such.

So, basically, what are the software options with wma players....musicmatch, wmp, winamp.......I won;t criticize them, but I would put itunes against them anyday....they are all decent products that for the msot part do what they advertise and do it somewhat well.

Stop criticizing for the sake of criticizing. Instead of being a trollish ipod basher, look out for the best interests of the consumer...


For exampple, instead of sayign something like"get anything but an ipod," perhaps approach a tenative answer a little better such as...

"well ther are two music downlaod options....wma and AAC....why don't you browse the stores and see if you prefer one variety over the other..now that you have selceted one, these are the players that work with that service....Okay, now how much do you want to spend etc....What will you use the device for etc..."

In the end my iPOD isn't the be-all of mp3 players, but I like itunes, and I like the interface of the device. Hell, I have yet to see a device that isthe be-all of mp3 players...I am happy not rumugging around in Explorer lookign for music. I am happy with my 40GB of space and the asthetics of the device, however subjective that may be.

Stop posting bias drivel and start thinking about the best interests of the OP.

 

[theNEOone]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: BullsOnParade
IPOD!!!! Why the hell would you buy anything else.

Features, sound quality, price, the right to freely manipulate music you own, free choice in collection management software, ogg and/or flac support, battery life... But "teh ipod iz kewl!!11!1oneoneone" :roll: In high school maybe... btw, when do you take the class which teaches you where question marks go? 😉

:fire;:evil:

1. Features - you mean stuff that I don't need? Voice recording is nice, but a novelty for me. I do wish I had an FM reciever for npr in general, market, and "all things considered,"

2. Sound Quality - yes.you are right. however, I choose to listen to QUALITY AUDIO through my stereo. ...and yes most of my music is in lossless and is as such when I put it on my pod unless I am patient and use anapod to transcode it. Lossless vs 320kbps mp3s don't make a difference when I am pedaling my ass of on my bike in the middle of the woods or listening to it in my car. You need Shur's to tell the difference.

3. ogg and/or flac support - I see nothing wrong with mp3, mp4 and Apple Lossless support. Using dbpower amp I successfuly converted all of my wma lossless to apple lossless withut a hitch and vice versa for sharing my lossless file samples by converting my mp4 lossless to wma lossless.....not a big deal. Oh, and don't bother telling me flac is better than apple lossless. It probably is, but once again, you probably won't be able to appreciate except if you are in a quiet room with shure e'x on. That, and wma lossless can go to 96/192....as if it matters....😛

4. battery life - you win. I have no quams here. Personally I don't require 24 hours of battery life, but I could see where it would be useful.

5. right to freely manipulate music you own - ?! - if yo uare talking about copy protection, that issue is somewhat universally applicable to all copy-protected material


6. free choice in collection management software - Yes. And much of it is complete crap. I'll admit that a few are quite good, but itunes and anapod have kept me happy.

1. compromise

2. compromise

3. compromise

4. compromise

5. compromise

6. compromise

<-- ipod fanboy until my mini's battery crapped out after 7 months.


=|

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Ornery
"The majority" buy iPods. Fragile HDDs are my concern. They use a lot of power and they cost a small fortune, to boot. I'll just take the dirt cheap flash player and be done with it. It's still ten times better than what was available only a few years ago!

Once again, it depends on your situation.......I am fine with a HDD player, and I used to be fine with a minidisc.....


both are satisfactory,.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: theNEOone

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: BullsOnParade
IPOD!!!! Why the hell would you buy anything else.

Features, sound quality, price, the right to freely manipulate music you own, free choice in collection management software, ogg and/or flac support, battery life... But "teh ipod iz kewl!!11!1oneoneone" :roll: In high school maybe... btw, when do you take the class which teaches you where question marks go? 😉

:fire;:evil:

1. Features - you mean stuff that I don't need? Voice recording is nice, but a novelty for me. I do wish I had an FM reciever for npr in general, market, and "all things considered,"

2. Sound Quality - yes.you are right. however, I choose to listen to QUALITY AUDIO through my stereo. ...and yes most of my music is in lossless and is as such when I put it on my pod unless I am patient and use anapod to transcode it. Lossless vs 320kbps mp3s don't make a difference when I am pedaling my ass of on my bike in the middle of the woods or listening to it in my car. You need Shur's to tell the difference.

3. ogg and/or flac support - I see nothing wrong with mp3, mp4 and Apple Lossless support. Using dbpower amp I successfuly converted all of my wma lossless to apple lossless withut a hitch and vice versa for sharing my lossless file samples by converting my mp4 lossless to wma lossless.....not a big deal. Oh, and don't bother telling me flac is better than apple lossless. It probably is, but once again, you probably won't be able to appreciate except if you are in a quiet room with shure e'x on. That, and wma lossless can go to 96/192....as if it matters....😛

4. battery life - you win. I have no quams here. Personally I don't require 24 hours of battery life, but I could see where it would be useful.

5. right to freely manipulate music you own - ?! - if yo uare talking about copy protection, that issue is somewhat universally applicable to all copy-protected material


6. free choice in collection management software - Yes. And much of it is complete crap. I'll admit that a few are quite good, but itunes and anapod have kept me happy.

1. compromise

2. compromise

3. compromise

4. compromise

5. compromise

6. compromise

<-- ipod fanboy until my mini's battery crapped out after 7 months.


=|

Compromise? Compromise if everything ever concieved is a necessity for all, but it is not a necessity for me. The only compromise I see is battery life, and for me, that hasn't reared its ugly face.

I bought it for what it can do, not what it cannot.

By that notion my Epson c80 is garbage.....my Dad needed a ncie label printer, it did waht he needed, and I bought it. Perhaps Canon's have more features with LCDs and more inks, but he couldnt;t be happier.


So it seems as if you were satisfyied with the ipod until you no longer had it......go figure.....

 

[Gurck]

I'm not posting biased drivel nor trolling, I'm stating factual information. If you can't handle the fact that you were misled by advertising and that the ipod is an overpriced pos, please consult Apple - don't attack the messenger.

You, on the other hand, are trolling. Unable to do anything more than poorly excuse the iPod's lack of features, sound quality, and value, you resorted to namecalling, that's pretty weak 🙁 You should click on P&amp;N more often, see my sig for instructions.

If you want to rescind your statements and be truthful for once - admit that you like it only because girls your age "thynk it'z teh kewlz0rz" and you want to be fashionable - I'll accept your apology; that's at least a valid (if ridiculously immature and lacking in intelligence) reason to want one.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Gurck
I'm not posting biased drivel, I'm stating factual information. If you can't handle the fact that you were misled by advertising and that the ipod is an overpriced pos, please consult Apple - don't attack the messenger.

🙂....you are cute when you are angry🙂

 

[Ornery]

...start thinking about the best interests of the OP.

That's EXACTLY what I'm thinking about, and after getting burned once, I'd think he would be ready to move on. I can easily see Gurck pointing the OP in the right direction as well, since he advocates getting more product for less money.

 

[theNEOone]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Compromise? Compromise if everything ever concieved is a necessity for all, but it is not a necessity for me. The only compromise I see is battery life, and for me, that hasn't reared its ugly face.

I bought it for what it can do, not what it cannot.

By that notion my Epson c80 is garbage.....my Dad needed a ncie label printer, it did waht he needed, and I bought it. Perhaps Canon's have more features with LCDs and more inks, but he couldnt;t be happier.


So it seems as if you were satisfyied with the ipod until you no longer had it......go figure.....

hey man, if you're happy w/ your ipod, that's cool. i owned a 3rd gen 20g ipod and an ipod mini. i was like you, i felt that i didn't need the extra bells and whistles because i didn't know any better. but now i realize that i was compromising in many respects when i went w/ the ipod. it's kinda like sex, you don't really know what you're missing until you try it.

and let's STFU with the "need" cliche, because if you really want to go there, you really only NEED food, water, and air

(and terrible analogy w/ the epson c80 because i have no idea wtf it is, how much it costs, or how it compares to other devices)


=|

 

[Ornery]

RagingBITCH brought up "understanding the changing needs of the world around you...", not me.

In a similar vein, maybe some people "need" to own the exact same technology as their peers, no matter how overpriced or inferior it may be!

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Ornery
RagingBITCH brought up "understanding the changing needs of the world around you...", not me.

In a similar vein, maybe some people "need" to own the exact same technology as their peers, no matter how overpriced or inferior it may be!

The same could be said of jsut everything....

Buy an Apple G5 with Unix because you hare a "hacker"

Buy an LLBean outfit because you are a tree-hugging hippe...

Buy Klipsch's because you are an audiophile....

Buy a Motorola Startac because you are hip.....

The point is that every product has subjective flaws. I wish people would concentrate on the overall experience rather than on the player itself. What interests me is a nice, simple interface on the device, not some overcomplicated do-everything-imaginable-at-your-fingertips type interface. In addition, I love the software package. All the nuances of itunes are what I REALLY enjoy such as drag-and-drop everything etc. Easy to setup and administrable playlists, simple front-end, somewhat capable back end is something beneficial as well. Finally, I love the search. I have 50GB of music, and I might get something in my head that I am looking for. Itunes jsut does it for me.

Is there something more capable out there? Sure.....IS there something better out there? No.

You can argue about features and featuresets until you are blue in the face, and in the end, you would be right about endless fatures, but most people won't care because those are features they don't want.

The only solid example I can give that most people can understand is a watch. I have an analog Fossil watch. There are an infinite amount of better options acorrding to many, but I don;t care. I don;t care that my watch isn;t digital. I don;t care that it isn't platinum. I like it. I love the way it looks. Hell, I even love it more than my Dad's Father's Rolex. Why? WEll, everything I say will be subjective. I love the dullness of the oxidized aluminum. I love having a scracthed surface. I love the character of it as it has been on my wrist everyday since I was in Highschool.

Somehow, you downplay the asthetics as if they were nothing, as if you were "too good" to appreciate somthign so vain. WEll, let me tell you, I love the way teh IPOD grabs another peoples attention.. Even more so, I love how it fails to grab mine when I am using it. I may be doing a report, and I have no urge to fiddle with it and waste time. I Jsut pick a playlsit, and artist, or an album, and continue working accompanied by my favorite toons.

Perhaps we are different, but at least I acccept that i may be vain or that I care what people think of me sometimes. The difference is that I care about stuff like that but I don;t let it definie my life.

The only times that you will see me with my IPOD are in my car, in my bed, or in the library.


Everything is subjective in life...to deny that is live a lie....that is, everything except the imaterial. 🙂

 

[Paulson]

Originally posted by: Ornery
"The majority" buy iPods. Fragile HDDs are my concern. They use a lot of power and they cost a small fortune, to boot. I'll just take the dirt cheap flash player and be done with it. It's still ten times better than what was available only a few years ago!

Wow, on a trip are you.

Lighten up. Maybe if you figured out that hdd based players aren't that bad, it wouldn't be so bad.

I've got an ipod 20gb 3rd gen, and so far I've taken it running, biking, 2 trips, across country (lasted from Minnesota to New Orleans no problem)

I hope you understand that the hard drive only spins while filling up the memory cache, so therefore, there is very little chance of the hard drive being injured or damaged. Yes, I'll admit, there is a chance, but a slim one.

Plus, these hard drives are specifically designed to take a beating.

I've got 65 gigs of songs, and I like to carry around a great variety of them, so that every time I listen to my ipod, I don't even have to hear the same songs. I don't have to remove old songs I'm sick of and load new ones.

That's all, you uninformed prick!

 

[Ornery]

Originally posted by: Gurck
Going to go with the majority here (as far as hdd vs. flash)...

To that I say, the majority use iPods. So much for going with the majority!

This whole topic exists because the OP's HDD took a sh|t, so any viable alternative to that same fate is what I'd consider damn useful! To save a buttload of money, battery up time and far smaller form factor is just icing on the cake!

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Ornery

Originally posted by: Gurck
Going to go with the majority here (as far as hdd vs. flash)...

To that I say, the majority use iPods. So much for going with the majority!

This whole topic exists because the OP's HDD took a sh|t, so any viable alternative to that same fate is what I'd consider damn useful! To save a buttload of money, battery up time and far smaller form factor is just icing on the cake!

hmmm..on a normal day I listen to driving music(lunge,dance,classic rock), library music (classical and pop rock), driving music again to go home ( latin and rock, and hiphop/rap)...at the gym I listen to dance and rock....this is everyday mind you...

I love not having to worry about music for over a month.....


And stop saying that flash players are better than HDD players..the yare most certainly not. Perhaps they are more physically resistant, but to be so ignorant as to say that they fit everyone needs is well, just plain ignorant. Like I stated previously, I used to have a minidisc and used to use atrac3 to put about 40 sonfs on each disc, but even with 5 discs at my disposal, it was no wear near as nice as with my IPOD now....

then again, my minidisc survived repeated hits from falling on concrete from ~6ft up almsot everytime I went ot the gym and is still going strong. This just goes to show you that ther are various requirement for people out there, and ther are REASONS why companies market all these products....

 

[Ornery]

...stop saying that flash players are better than HDD players...

Got a quote of where I said that?

Originally posted by: Ornery
Why not a solid state based media, instead of HDD? I'll NEVER understand that. Christ, is there some rule that says you just have to carry around every single GD MP3 you've ever run across? 😕

Originally posted by: Ornery
I didn't get too screwed on it.....

So far you're out over $500.00 to Apple just to play MP3s... :roll:

I'll stand behind everything I DID say, though. Too much money for too little return, and more so when comparing an iPod to other HDD based competition.

You squawk about having to swap music, which should be an ULTRA-EASY, eyes blindfolded task, with such an intuative interface, but how often do you have to charge it? And, at what total price? The OP had the problem and posted, or I wouldn't have said a word!

 

[gflores]

Originally posted by: Gurck
If exercise is a concern, 128mb flash players are dirt-cheap these days, you can get one for next to nothing and buy a hdd player too - have your cake and eat it.

Can you give me a link to a good 128mb flash player that is "dirt cheap?" I'd prefer a 256mb flash player, but they're all too expensive and not worth the money for the amount of songs hold.

 

[Aztech]

Another favorite is the Creative Labs NOMAD MuVo

What's the difference between that and the Muvo TX FM 256?

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Ornery
...stop saying that flash players are better than HDD players...

Got a quote of where I said that?

Originally posted by: Ornery
Why not a solid state based media, instead of HDD? I'll NEVER understand that. Christ, is there some rule that says you just have to carry around every single GD MP3 you've ever run across? 😕

Originally posted by: Ornery
I didn't get too screwed on it.....

So far you're out over $500.00 to Apple just to play MP3s... :roll:

I'll stand behind everything I DID say, though. Too much money for too little return, and more so when comparing an iPod to other HDD based competition.

You squawk about having to swap music, which should be an ULTRA-EASY, eyes blindfolded task, with such an intuative interface, but how often do you have to charge it? And, at what total price? The OP had the problem and posted, or I wouldn't have said a word!

I'll admit I have to charge it, but I am never home to add music to it..there lies the problem.