S3 Savage 2000: The card obviously couldnt even produce the proper image in the latest games for that time period. The 5800u could in all cases (save for 16bit percision which wasnt as major) produce the accurate image. And its performance wasnt the best, but it def wasnt abysmal as compared to the Savage 2000 in those titles. But i def do think the 5800 was more of a flop than crossfire is. I mean atleast crossfire can be improved on its design and not totally redesigned to even compete.
-Oh and I always love seeing Rollo and BFG in the same thread. Always makes me laugh to see these 2 classic aters post against one another in the usual slaughterfest. Keep it up boys!
-Oh and I always love seeing Rollo and BFG in the same thread. Always makes me laugh to see these 2 classic aters post against one another in the usual slaughterfest. Keep it up boys!
So now your assuming that ATI doesn't want the performance throne, everything ATI (and nVidia) do is to gain the performance throne and superiority in the minds of the consumer. Your calling Crossfire a failure based on your biased assumptions of ATI company policies. Fanboy anyone?
Um, well. Do you see any efforts to take the throne? What I'm seeing is their crappy R&D resulting in the worst product ever, Crossfire.. and they dont want to spend the money to hold off releasing it and do better.
So no, its easy to see that they dont want the throne apparantly at the current time.. they release an inferior product and everyone knows it.. and they "want" the throne so badly?
Well, you can "want" in one hand fierydemise and you can poop in the other.. both will do just as much good if you dont do anything.
Again, fanboy does not = recognizing a superior product.
It hasnt happened yet.
As far as wishing and hoping ATI produces something better than Crossfire?
Who cares, when pretty much the best way of doing it the way Nvidia did dual graphics with SLI?
If anything, all we'll see is a near direct copy of Nvidias current products.
Thats how behind ATI is.
Pretty much if they could switch technological positions with Nvidia, they would.
SLI > Crossfire and GF7 > anything ATI has
If you guys are saying that Crossfire was a failure due to the 1600x1200res. I think we need to stepback a little . That actually has nothing to do with crossfire M/B . What your referring to is the Single link TMDS reciever on the X800-x850 video card used as the primary card in a crossfire setup' The R520 are infact DVI daul link output so this damming ati problem only exist for the old single output dvi of past ati products.
Another poster here seems to think all present nvidia cards will function in vista and will work with aeroglass with these cards . This is news to me and if that poster could supply a link were he got this information it would be a good thing.
Another poster here seems to think all present nvidia cards will function in vista and will work with aeroglass with these cards . This is news to me and if that poster could supply a link were he got this information it would be a good thing.
Yes, I do see ATI's efforts to take the throne... it's called R520 and it will give ATI the performance crown in approximately 6 days and 14 hours. That's what matters really, not SLI or Crossfire. You're placing way too much importance on these dual GPU solutions. Sure, people may buy the motherboards because they've been sucked into the marketing that it's a viable upgrade path. However, the VAST majority of people will never use the capability.
They had the performance crown before SLI and then they retook it in early june with Crossfire (prerelease), now 4 months later ATI no longer cares about the performance crown? They want it and are trying for it why would they waste time with R580 if R520 would be competitive with G70?
apoppin
Lifer
ATI's xfire's MB got some great reviews - Especially by Anand. ATI's chipset business is consistently picking up and Intel will probably do a deal with ATI soon.
i think ati made a mistake releasing xfire with x800s just before r520 - it should have been released 6 months ago; when it couldn't, i think they should have released it together with r50's xfire . . .
. . . anyway, x800 xfire is only competitive with the 6800gt and ultra SLI . . . HOWEVER, the limitations of x800 xfire won't be in x1800 xfire
If you're referring to me, I could care less what will work in Vista. I'll buy what does.
I'm not really planning my Christmas 2006 rig yet, my time machine is in the shop. :roll:
cant you tell by rollos avatar he is a grumpy old man picking on college/hs students because his rig is better than theirs and he likes to make them jealous/mad?
Not according to the leaked benches we've seen. Where do you come by your information?
Not to me? Time will tell though. Back in the day, most enthusiasts had 3dfx SLI.
No Rollo wasn't you / But this one is. link to leaked benchmarks and not the guy ATI passed off on. real reliable benchies rollo not flaming material
They did? You mean the benchs that were later proven to not even be using Crossfire, but instead only rendering 1/2 the frames?
Where do you get your information?
Either bad info, or you dont know as much about video as you are purporting to know.. which would make you not just a fanboy, but ignorant as well.
My preference of Nvidia is based within actual reasons.. not just because the "9700 roxhored!" and suddenly I'm a fan for life. Like half of the ATI fanboys in this forum.
Originally posted by: Snakexor
cant you tell by rollos avatar he is a grumpy old man picking on college/hs students because his rig is better than theirs and he likes to make them jealous/mad?
Quiet young whippersnapper! Back in the day, we didn't argue about video cards, because there was no electricity yet. So, we argued about which brand of candles would burn the brightest, last the longest, make your house smell best, and I remember one time when the iceman.....blahblah.......blahblah.....blah.......zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Actually its was an offical score done with 2 x850xtpe . So where do you get your info from Rollo I can't quit remember the scores but it was 15,500+ It was done at that hugh O/C bash ATI threw . other than sli ATI has owned nvidia since the R300 release .
Ati has not ans. the G70 yet but when it does ATI claim to the fastestest single card setup will stand from the R300 to the present. Now Asus is ready to release a dual core 7800 as a single card I bet your the type that thinks that should count. Crossfire has already taken the crown in X850 and 6800 Ultra class.
Rollo made no comments in that quote tree the comment you refering too was mine, I know it was done with 2 x850xtpes thats what I was saying.
to many post in between were all right. I was referring to southpawuni. Someone who I believe is using 2 differant sign in's for the forum.
First of all, you have absolutely NO command over the English language whatsoever.
Second of all
Of course we DO have official results NOW.. but I was originally responding to this claim in case you arent paying attention and just fanboying around (which you are).
But thanks for answering FOR fierydemise. You ATI fanboys just cant wait to defend each others incorrect statements with more incorrect statements. :thumbsup:
Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: Snakexor
cant you tell by rollos avatar he is a grumpy old man picking on college/hs students because his rig is better than theirs and he likes to make them jealous/mad?
Quiet young whippersnapper! Back in the day, we didn't argue about video cards, because there was no electricity yet. So, we argued about which brand of candles would burn the brightest, last the longest, make your house smell best, and I remember one time when the iceman.....blahblah.......blahblah.....blah.......zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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LOL
the so called, "team nvidia" (otherwise known as the only people who recognize a superior product), has a MUCH better sense of humor than the sourpuss ATI crowd.
i guess that will sour you to continue to begrudgingly buy an inferior product just to say "I own ATI!!! They made the 9700!!! WOOT!"
BFG10K
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Right, so now you don't want the best, just fun? Well I guess you'll be dumping your 7800 SLI and going with crossfire because that'll be fun and you'll also retract this thread as well?
I think not. You are the most biased nVidia fanboy I have ever seen.
Rollo 2004: I refuse to purchase a R4xx because it's the "same" technology as a R3xx and ATi is ripping me off.
Rollo 2005: I purchased ten NV4x cards.
And?
Sorry, telling you to play at 16xAF means I'm jealous of your rig? What the hell are you talking about? Next time try employing an adult argument and you might fare better.
That was an analogy to show how ridiculous your stance is. And yes, there is a big difference at long range.
LMAO. You're worried about a 1% performance hit on a 7800 SLI setup but you're only too happy to pimp soft shadows at 1024x768?
You know what I know? You're wrong.
I don't need to discredit anything, your blatant trolling and fanboyism does that just fine. "I'm just poor collector and everyone is attacking me", then you make threads like this which are nothing more than another attack at ATi.
I'm sorry, but telling us 6800 SLI/6600GT SLI is viable means what exactly? At worst it's deceptive. At best it's spam.
That'll never happpen because you get your kicks from trolling. That's the whole reason you're here and that's why you create threads like this; when called out you respond with "you're jealous" and "my five year old has a better rig than you".
And if you weren't around we wouldn't need to ignore comments like 6600GT SLI/6800SLI is viable, soft shadows/FP HDR is viable and the 5800U doesn't have a noise problem.
Cookie Monster
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Just to point out, that even though the 5800 ultra or the hair dryer had IQ issues, people are badly misinformed about its performance being bad.
Although not good at DX9 games, in DX8.1 it often beat the 9700/9800 pro, or were equal. And OpenGL it still dominates. And back in those days, there was alot of DX8.1 games.
Yes, i did some research based on ATs reviews on the 5800 ultra, and it wasnt that bad of a performer against the 9700/9800 as many led me to believe.
Although not good at DX9 games, in DX8.1 it often beat the 9700/9800 pro, or were equal. And OpenGL it still dominates. And back in those days, there was alot of DX8.1 games.
Yes, i did some research based on ATs reviews on the 5800 ultra, and it wasnt that bad of a performer against the 9700/9800 as many led me to believe.
apoppin
Lifer
And Rollos been saying what you just spent your time learning for some time from what I can tell.
Sometimes the most persecuted people are the ones who are right. So in ways... Rollo is kind of like Jesus, Socrates, or Ghandi.
The others? The sophists. :-D
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