Most spectacular failure in video card history

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: CaiNaM
of course i don't know why rage fury maxx isn't included either (and frankly x-fire doesn't belong on this list -- not yet anyway)

Rollo liked the Rage MAXX . . .

that's why
:Q

it was an abomination that couldn't live up to ATI's promise to make it work with Win2K

Teh MAXX was teh roxor.

ATIs Rage Fury chip was WAY behind the GF1 in driver quality and speed. So what does ATI do?
Cobbles two of them together on a board to make the a close second place card where two inferior GPUs render every other frame.
It was a totally cool solution that would have went over a lot better if they could have worked out those nagging details like synching the AFR, flashing textures, and Win2K.

I didn't use Win2K, so I only experienced two of its weaknesses. I can tell you this- I'd take flashing textures at times and jumpy fps over looking at 60Hz flashing in front of me like some 70s disco.

lol.. umm.. right.. flashing textures aren't a negative.. nor the cost, nor the fact it really didn't match up to the competition, that the drivers were a bit "iffy" and were limited to win98 - oh, and ati basically just dropped support of it. somehow i just don't see those limitations as better than 60hz@1600 (which doesn't affect lcd users anyway) on a "tech" (it's not a video card) which really hasn't even made it into production.

at best you could say it was only a failure on the scale of nv30... there were, after all both failures which were "cool" for design as well as appearance.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Kevin you really are an 4sshat. It must be nice to always be right.

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Crossfire was a big missfire, a spectacular belly flop. Big deal. Happens to all companies.

Please preface your opinions with "IMO" just so it's clear. ALso, you're talking about Crossfire in the past tense when it hasn't even hit the market yet. A pretty good indication right there of how you like to distort things.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Turtle 1
This is not were I should be posting this but here goes anyway. In the last few days I keep hearing people say that I am Intelia or this David fella. Fact is I am turtle I have never posted in a forum befor and its very fun.

Now being called intelia or david doesn't angry me at all. But it has got me curious and some one posted me links to some of her threads .

I am a little in disbelief that this person was banned . She always presented links to back up what ever subject she posted on and that always seemed to be topics about future products . This is something I like . I couldn't find a lot wrong with what she was saying very little infact . I never paid much att. to cpu's but since I was given those links I started reading about whats been PRed about Conroe . I don't see were she was that far off as to what her interpetation about conroe were.

The one thing that did stand out was that the people attacking her are the same ones that bring fud to almost all the threads that go bad at these forums. If some one could post me links to her threads that are just Fud please post these links as I am really interested.

Where in the hell did that come from?? No one even mentioned it.

However, your mindless defending them doesn't really help your cause.

Dont start this crap again!!!

-Kevin

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Pr0d1gy
Kevin you really are an 4sshat. It must be nice to always be right.

On what basis are you flaming me?? I haven't even done anything to you aside from refute a statement.

-Kevin

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: Turtle 1
This is not were I should be posting this but here goes anyway. In the last few days I keep hearing people say that I am Intelia or this David fella. Fact is I am turtle I have never posted in a forum befor and its very fun.

Now being called intelia or david doesn't angry me at all. But it has got me curious and some one posted me links to some of her threads .

I am a little in disbelief that this person was banned . She always presented links to back up what ever subject she posted on and that always seemed to be topics about future products . This is something I like . I couldn't find a lot wrong with what she was saying very little infact . I never paid much att. to cpu's but since I was given those links I started reading about whats been PRed about Conroe . I don't see were she was that far off as to what her interpetation about conroe were.

The one thing that did stand out was that the people attacking her are the same ones that bring fud to almost all the threads that go bad at these forums. If some one could post me links to her threads that are just Fud please post these links as I am really interested.

LOL @ Intelia... Seriously, could any of you keep from laughing as she talked about herself in the third person? I couldn't...

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: Pr0d1gy
Kevin you really are an 4sshat. It must be nice to always be right.

I do not know Kevin, but I think he sounds pretty decent on the forum here. I certainly do not hold the same view you do about him. Anyway, he is right, most of the time. Does that bother you?

 

[Ronin]

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: Rollo

Crossfire was a big missfire, a spectacular belly flop. Big deal. Happens to all companies.

Please preface your opinions with "IMO" just so it's clear. ALso, you're talking about Crossfire in the past tense when it hasn't even hit the market yet. A pretty good indication right there of how you like to distort things.

What difference does it make if he does or not? Are you the post nazi? Every indicator of benchmarks shows exactly what he's saying to be true. Perhaps you should look around a bit more with those blinders off first.

 

[imported_Rampage]

Originally posted by: Rollo
Some of you are taking this thread and the video forum WAY too seriously.

Crossfire was a big missfire, a spectacular belly flop. Big deal. Happens to all companies.

I thought it would be fun to take a trip down memory lane, vote for the most spectacular.

None of us work for the companies in question, so no feelings should be hurt here. People need to lighten up.

What this guy said.

 

[nRollo]

Again, no one here has any reason to take offense to anything I've said.

1. None of us designed, or likely own, a Savage 2000. It's long gone.

2. Some of us may own the V5 as a collectable, but no one here designed it and 3dfx has been gone forever.

3. No one here owns a Crossfire set, and no one here designed it.

4. No one owns a 5800U, or designed it.

So we're talking about hardware no one owns, and no one worked on. Getting angry about someone saying it was a "failure" makes about as much sense as if I posted "I think Sonys upcoming plasma tv will suck based on reviews I've seen" and someone replying "Damn you! Don't always be mocking Sony and pimping JVC!".
The indignation is pretty strange if you think about it.

 

[Turtle 1]

So rollo if and when X1800xt appears and if it wins in most of the benchies and crossfire runs at full res. Will you recante? And say that you was wrong . Well you say that Crossfire as presented for the X800-X850 is differant than crossfire for X1800xt ? Or are you going to say ya but that dongle or this or that . Whats it going to be in the next 3 weeks as ATi proves that it has a very fine products? I think the way crossfire was delivered for x800-x850 was appropriate for the x800 series of cards. I wouldn't buy one or recommend one . But as its presented it will be very strong in the benchmarks and as a 1 card solution should be very strong. Some how you have lost site of the fact that crossfire is a motherboard solution and not a video card. As ananda's article states a very capable M/B (ATI GOING FOR BEST IN CLASS)

 

[Todd33]

I'm not offended by anything so far, but I do think this whole thread was a stealth crossfire swipte. You get off finding fault in ATI and now Crossefire is your favorite thing in the world, which is sad. You took an honest poll, but your bias seeped through.

Crossfire is neither a video card or even released. Will it flop? IMO it will never hit the stores for the X850 series, so in essence it was a research. To put it on a list with past video card flops is just showing your fanboy colors. Then you have the balls to say the 5800U was great, just loud. No, it was a flop for half a dozen reasons, but your love for anything Nvidia won't let you admit it.

It's like saying Hillary Clinton is the worst president of the last 100 years. Really hard to say, history doesn't judge the future, but Rollo does.

 

[Ronin]

Actually, I have every single card you listed (saved a Crossfire setup, but that should be soon enough), so I made my assertions based on previous experience. I would rather not make an assessment on Crossfire until I've had a chance to play with it myself.

 

[imported_Rampage]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM
at best you could say it was only a failure on the scale of nv30... there were, after all both failures which were "cool" for design as well as appearance.

Um quick note: you say "at best you could say it was only a failure on the scale of nv30".. how can you say this, when NV30 lead to some later FX cards which were not bad (5900XT and 5950U) IMO as well as the ATI punishing NV40 series. As well as the day of reckoning for ATI fanboys everywhere, G70.

ATI Crossfire has led to... ? A total failure? Theres no rebound yet.
As of 9/28/05 we have no rebound, that is.

ATI fanboys have been wishing and hoping for a time machine to relive the R300 over and over (and ATI has been happy to sell them the same chip and fill that need)!

Now I'm sure the main fanboys are going to hold onto their X800XLs and pray for the day that ATI produces something worth buying at all.. but its not in Crossfire, and the descendants of Crossfire might be good..

but this is ATI's 5800, with no successor as of yet. And there might not be, no one knows the future.
All we know today is that ATI has the worst product ever and hasnt rebounded from it yet.
ATI has to remove those dongles and remove the 16x12@60hz limitation in future iterations, then it might be equal with the 5800 on its failure.

 

[fierydemise]

Originally posted by: southpawuni

Originally posted by: CaiNaM
at best you could say it was only a failure on the scale of nv30... there were, after all both failures which were "cool" for design as well as appearance.

Um quick note: you say "at best you could say it was only a failure on the scale of nv30".. how can you say this, when NV30 lead to some later FX cards which were not bad (5900XT and 5950U) IMO as well as the ATI punishing NV40 series. As well as the day of reckoning for ATI fanboys everywhere, G70.

ATI Crossfire has led to... ? A total failure? Theres no rebound yet.
As of 9/28/05 we have no rebound, that is.

ATI fanboys have been wishing and hoping for a time machine to relive the R300 over and over (and ATI has been happy to sell them the same chip and fill that need)!

Now I'm sure the main fanboys are going to hold onto their X800XLs and pray for the day that ATI produces something worth buying at all.. but its not in Crossfire, and the descendants of Crossfire might be good..

but this is ATI's 5800, with no successor as of yet. And there might not be, no one knows the future.
All we know today is that ATI has the worst product ever and hasnt rebounded from it yet.
ATI has to remove those dongles and remove the 16x12@60hz limitation in future iterations, then it might be equal with the 5800 on its failure.

Your saying crossfire is a failure because it hasn't rebounded yet? How is it supposed to rebound before release?

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: Todd33
I'm not offended by anything so far, but I do think this whole thread was a stealth crossfire swipte. You get off finding fault in ATI and now Crossefire is your favorite thing in the world, which is sad. You took an honest poll, but your bias seeped through.

Crossfire is neither a video card or even released. Will it flop? IMO it will never hit the stores for the X850 series, so in essence it was a research. To put it on a list with past video card flops is just showing your fanboy colors. Then you have the balls to say the 5800U was great, just loud. No, it was a flop for half a dozen reasons, but your love for anything Nvidia won't let you admit it.

It's like saying Hillary Clinton is the worst president of the last 100 years. Really hard to say, history doesn't judge the future, but Rollo does.

Well said. Thank you.

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: southpawuni

ATI Crossfire has led to... ? A total failure? Theres no rebound yet.
As of 9/28/05 we have no rebound, that is.

Coming from the guy who takes swipes at ATI right in his signatiure. No bias here. :roll:

 

[imported_Rampage]

Originally posted by: fierydemise
Your saying crossfire is a failure because it hasn't rebounded yet? How is it supposed to rebound before release?

Because ATI's research into it hasnt birthed anything worth purchasing yet.
It cant rebound yet. I was pointing out that currently, its a bigger failure than the 5800.

At least the 5800 led to the industrys leading GPUs of today.

 

[imported_Rampage]

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: southpawuni

ATI Crossfire has led to... ? A total failure? Theres no rebound yet.
As of 9/28/05 we have no rebound, that is.

Coming from the guy who takes swipes at ATI right in his signatiure. No bias here. :roll:

The truth is bias?

I'm not going to sit here and say I dont prefer Nvidia products, but not because it says "Nvidia" and because its Green.
(as i notice theres an ATI fanboy around here named "KeepItRed"?)

I dont see whats wrong with preferring the best product? :disgust:

As far as the sig, its the truth? If you have a PCI-only PC.. or needed a spare PCI video card, the NV PCI cards wouldnt be the better choice? :disgust:

 

[fierydemise]

Originally posted by: southpawuni

Originally posted by: fierydemise
Your saying crossfire is a failure because it hasn't rebounded yet? How is it supposed to rebound before release?

Because ATI's research into it hasnt birthed anything worth purchasing yet.
It cant rebound yet. I was pointing out that currently, its a bigger failure than the 5800.

At least the 5800 led to the industrys leading GPUs of today.

You acknowledged that it can't rebound yet, so then how can you say that it is a failure because it hasn't rebounded?

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: southpawuni

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: southpawuni

ATI Crossfire has led to... ? A total failure? Theres no rebound yet.
As of 9/28/05 we have no rebound, that is.

Coming from the guy who takes swipes at ATI right in his signatiure. No bias here. :roll:

The truth is bias?

I'm not going to sit here and say I dont prefer Nvidia products, but not because it says "Nvidia" and because its Green.
(as i notice theres an ATI fanboy around here named "KeepItRed"?)

I dont see whats wrong with preferring the best product? :disgust:

As far as the sig, its the truth? If you have a PCI-only PC.. or needed a spare PCI video card, the NV PCI cards wouldnt be the better choice? :disgust:

How is a 5200 the best card? There are DX9 cards from ATi that are the same price as the one you listed, even cheaper. With "great" driver support too. Even PCI-E too, not PCI. Who is going to have only a PCI capable motherboard, when Vista ships? I mean, c'mon, think about it.

But why does that even matter? Vista is a LONG way off. DX9 cards will be very, very cheap by the time it comes out. Your sig is pretty silly, in my opinion.

 

[imported_Rampage]

Originally posted by: fierydemise

Originally posted by: southpawuni

Originally posted by: fierydemise
Your saying crossfire is a failure because it hasn't rebounded yet? How is it supposed to rebound before release?

Because ATI's research into it hasnt birthed anything worth purchasing yet.
It cant rebound yet. I was pointing out that currently, its a bigger failure than the 5800.

At least the 5800 led to the industrys leading GPUs of today.

You acknowledged that it can't rebound yet, so then how can you say that it is a failure because it hasn't rebounded?

It cant rebound because theres no improved product out yet.

The only reason it cant rebound yet is because ATI hasnt chosen to rebound from it yet. "Can't" might not be the best word, more like "ATI WON'T" rebound.

It certainly could rebound, ATI just doesnt care enough to become #1 and want to save some cash and remain #2.

Nvidia (after the 5800), spilled more cash and released better cards fairly quickly, then completely took over with the Geforce 6 and 7 series.

ATI, wont do this.

But maybe "can't" is the best word, if we agree on that verbage we are admitting to ATI's possibly being merely too inept to rebound quickly. Or maybe this is the best they can do?

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: Turtle 1
This is not were I should be posting this but here goes anyway. In the last few days I keep hearing people say that I am Intelia or this David fella. Fact is I am turtle I have never posted in a forum befor and its very fun.

Now being called intelia or david doesn't angry me at all. But it has got me curious and some one posted me links to some of her threads .

I am a little in disbelief that this person was banned . She always presented links to back up what ever subject she posted on and that always seemed to be topics about future products . This is something I like . I couldn't find a lot wrong with what she was saying very little infact . I never paid much att. to cpu's but since I was given those links I started reading about whats been PRed about Conroe . I don't see were she was that far off as to what her interpetation about conroe were.

The one thing that did stand out was that the people attacking her are the same ones that bring fud to almost all the threads that go bad at these forums. If some one could post me links to her threads that are just Fud please post these links as I am really interested.

Where in the hell did that come from?? No one even mentioned it.

However, your mindless defending them doesn't really help your cause.

Dont start this crap again!!!

-Kevin

Damn kevin if you put half this much energy in policing the nv fanboys as the ati ones, I would vote you for mod. Really why do all the nv fanboys call themselves fans of the best and appoint themselves referee?

Back to the op, x-fire will mature and become about as useless for most of us - as any expensive dual gpu solution.

 

[imported_Rampage]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
How is a 5200 the best card? There are DX9 cards from ATi that are the same price as the one you listed, even cheaper.

There are no DX9 PCI cards from ATI. Thats the point to purchasing an Nvidia PCI card instead of an ATI, at least with the Nvidia you wont lose official support (as all ATI PCI cards are <R300), and you can at least utilize Aeroglass.

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: southpawuni

Nvidia (after the 5800), spilled more cash and released better cards fairly quickly, then completely took over with the Geforce 6 and 7 series.

ATI, wont do this.

Can I borrow your crystal ball? Cause I want to see what next year's video cards are like. Thanks.