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Ackmed

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Originally posted by: southpawuni
Originally posted by: Ackmed
How is a 5200 the best card? There are DX9 cards from ATi that are the same price as the one you listed, even cheaper.

There are no DX9 PCI cards from ATI. Thats the point to purchasing an Nvidia PCI card instead of an ATI, at least with the Nvidia you wont lose official support (as all ATI PCI cards are <R300), and you can at least utilize Aeroglass.


How many PCI only PC's do you think will run Vista? Your logic makes zero sense. The fact of the matter is, there are very few PCI only PC's. And they are largely in the OEM market. Which is fast moving away from this. Those PC's are the lowest of the low, which going by what Vista needs to run, wont be able to run it well, if at all.

So again, you dont have a good argument. Show of hands from anyone here who is on a PCI only PC? *chirp* *chirp*

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Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: BigfootKevin
Too many comments to read....but

How is crossfire a failure? It's not even released to the public yet, and we haven't even seen it perform with their new gen of cards.

Perhaps I should have been more specific and said X800 Crossfire.

It's a failure because it has one of the most laughable built in hardware limitations in history built in- the 16X12 60Hz limit.

So, no one would be dumb enough to buy it.

Yes, the 60Hz limit is horrible, for CRT users. To LCD users, it doesnt matter at all. There are a lot of LCD users now days, perhaps more than CRT users? I dont know.

I wouldnt buy a X800 Crossfire setup for the simple fact, the GTX is much cheaper, and about as fast. Same will probably be said for the X1800XT. Same goes for 6800 SLI, I wouldnt buy that setup either. You claim there are many good reasons to buy a 6800 SLI setup, but none for Crossfire? What if someone has a LCD, so the 60Hz limits doesnt matter? C'mon now, whats good for one.. is good for the other.
 

glugglug

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Originally posted by: busmaster11
I recall during the time, this is how it went in 1997:

high-end: Matrox Millenium2 + Voodoo1
alternative highend: Tseng Labs ET6000(ie STB Lightspeed128) + Voodoo1
midground: Nvidia NV3 (RIVA128)
alternative midground: Diamond Viper 3D (S3 Virge)
Lowend: Rage Pro

Virge was not in 1997, that is sorta my point. My S3 Virge I bought in 1995, before they started making SE-ified versions of it. (can't think of a better term to use, but I think you know what I mean).
And TNT came out in either late 1997 or 1998, making Voodoo1 no longer the top 3D card.

 

busmaster11

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Originally posted by: glugglug
Originally posted by: busmaster11
I recall during the time, this is how it went in 1997:

high-end: Matrox Millenium2 + Voodoo1
alternative highend: Tseng Labs ET6000(ie STB Lightspeed128) + Voodoo1
midground: Nvidia NV3 (RIVA128)
alternative midground: Diamond Viper 3D (S3 Virge)
Lowend: Rage Pro

Virge was not in 1997, that is sorta my point. My S3 Virge I bought in 1995, before they started making SE-ified versions of it. (can't think of a better term to use, but I think you know what I mean).
And TNT came out in either late 1997 or 1998, making Voodoo1 no longer the top 3D card.

I remember Virge coming out not long before the riva128, which I bought right when it came out toward the beginning of my junior year of college in late 97. Even if given a year, that would have made its intro no earlier then late 1996... I'm fairly certain of that.

And sorry, I didn't read far enough back to know what your point was. :)

 

nRollo

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Originally posted by: busmaster11
You're missing these:

Rage Fury Maxx (dual Rage128 chips, no Win2k driver support)

BitBoyz Glaze3D

Matrox Parhelia

Nvidia NV1 / Edge3d


Going back far enough for you guys? :)

I wasn't aware Glaze3d ever was shown? You need a product to fail.
 

imported_Rampage

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Originally posted by: Ackmed
Originally posted by: southpawuni
Originally posted by: Ackmed
How is a 5200 the best card? There are DX9 cards from ATi that are the same price as the one you listed, even cheaper.

There are no DX9 PCI cards from ATI. Thats the point to purchasing an Nvidia PCI card instead of an ATI, at least with the Nvidia you wont lose official support (as all ATI PCI cards are <R300), and you can at least utilize Aeroglass.


How many PCI only PC's do you think will run Vista? Your logic makes zero sense. The fact of the matter is, there are very few PCI only PC's. And they are largely in the OEM market. Which is fast moving away from this. Those PC's are the lowest of the low, which going by what Vista needs to run, wont be able to run it well, if at all.

So again, you dont have a good argument. Show of hands from anyone here who is on a PCI only PC? *chirp* *chirp*

First you claimed that ATI had DX9 PCI cards.. now you are off on this idea that PCI only systems wont be sold by Dell when Vista comes out.. well you know many probably wouldve said the same thing YEARS ago.. that they'd all have AGP by now as well..

but they dont. And we'll see won't we? I'm not going to play fortune teller, but I think the people who get "duped" into those cheaper PCs from Dell are always going to be looking for a PCI video card..

Dell doenst WANT to stop selling PCI only PCs because many just buy a whole new one when they find out they can barely upgrade the video.
But popping a 5200 and additional ram.. and they are pretty decent machines.. maybe not a great gamer.. but good Luna GUI acceleration (and in the near future, good Aeroglass acceleration courtesy of Nvidia).
As well as then having DVI support, and much improved video options all around.

I've worked on many, many PCs with PCI only, and a cheap 5200 was the ticket..
Surely Vista will run on a P4 2.8ghz with 512-1GB of RAM and a FX5200.

With those cheap Dells they usually skimp on RAM and basically everything besides they toss in a "decent" CPU.

Again, have to use quotes on "decent" because everyone here is a "enthusiast" and such a fkin arrogant pr*** on what "decent" is.

You may have a 4000+ supercooled Athlon64, but the vast majority don't.. and in my mind a circa 3ghz CPU is just fine for the vast majority of people.
Yes, I'm tired of pinhead geeks who just got done popping a zit telling me how lame a 5200 or Pentium4 is.

I have a A64 and a 6800GT.. and I know hardware just fine.

PS. 1680x1050 is not "low res" no matter how you slice it. Another perfect example of some geek taking the low road and playing the elitist.
 

nRollo

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Originally posted by: MegaWorks
It?s good that you admit NOW that you?re a fanboy, something you denied for the past year Rollo! But I knew it all alone.
Errr, whatever floats your boat Mega?

You see Rollo you and some of your buddies will never point out the negatives of nvidia, never!
Errr, what negatives? I gave nVidia equal billing in this poll? They're not my choice, but I put'em on the list and why?

What you?re doing is marketing for nvidia, steel ATI customers to the other side.
Please tell them so they will start paying me. "Steel ATI customers to the "other side""?!
WTF? How old are you? There are no "sides", there are only hobbyists discussing what hardware they like and don't, there are no "sides", no "teams"?

I can see that, it?s not hard to tell! You exaggerate about ATI?s failures, any weak opportunity you find about ATI you or any of your buddies will post it on the forums. For what to prove what?
"Any weak opportunity"?! X800 Crossfire lit up the sky as it crashed spectacularly? This is a blunder of EPIC proportions? People made a big deal about SLI not supporting an Apple monitor, or WS monitors for a while- this is ALL CRTs? Do you understand how big a gaffe that is? It's even big LCDs too?

If you?re telling me you don?t have an Agenda, well my friend you are misleading the public.
WTH could my "agenda" be? I hope you and everyone like you buys ATI products like X800 CRossfire, and you can quote me on that.

Please don?t make me show examples of the 9700Pro/5800U era! ;)

Ooooh. Don't do that! :roll:

Why would anyone care about my three year old posts? LOL post whatever the heck you want, I could care less.

Makes you look strange, not me?

LOL- I can see that dreck:
"In this post Rollo clearly implies that he thinks the 5800U is almost as good as a 9700Pro! Proof positive he is....BIASED!"

LMFAO if you people could read yourselves from an adult's perspective sometime.......
 

Todd33

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The Virge 3D was the first 3D card to the market, ignoring the Nvidia NV1, which was not Direct3D. The Voodoo1, Rendition Verite 1000 and Matrox Mystique soon after.
 

imported_Rampage

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Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: busmaster11
You're missing these:

Rage Fury Maxx (dual Rage128 chips, no Win2k driver support)

BitBoyz Glaze3D

Matrox Parhelia

Nvidia NV1 / Edge3d


Going back far enough for you guys? :)

I wasn't aware Glaze3d ever was shown? You need a product to fail.


Actually he forgot probably the biggest flop of all, the Rendition Verite. It was on multiple boards, the one I remember well is the Sierra branded one.

That would have gotten my vote, but the noobs round (vast majority, trust me I can tell) wouldnt even know what it was without looking it up.
Nor would they understand the reasons as to why its probably the biggest flop of all.

Yes, I had a Edge3D (very interesting product at the time, to say the least).

Also, forgot the Matrox Mystique.

Then Voodoo came. Blew all these off the map forever. Most people know the history from there, Nvidia competes well with 3dfx for some time, defeats 3dfx.. Matrox is in there somewhere with the G400/G450 (IIRC thats the model) but never really takes off.. eventually we get to the 9700 Pro where ATI won all these little zip popping fanboys..

9700 Pro is where history begins for most of the ATI devotees.
After 3dfx died, my next pick was the Kyro2. I picked a losing team, but appealing hardware (to me at least).
Since then I've used most of the TNTU and Geforce stuff.. but for a time I was dazzled with the ATI AIW lineup, and owned some of that.

Overall, I'd have to say Nvidia has had the best product between all the companies that have came, gone, and out of the ones still here.
Maybe not always the best CARD, but best product (drivers+card=product).

Nvidia is truley a great company and I see a bright future for them, just as I did in the FX days.. not a horrible product, just exceptional competition at the time is all.

Nvidia :beer: Its good stuff, no doubts about that.
 

Todd33

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http://accelenation.com/?ac.id.123.2

Has a timeline, 1996 was the year of the 3D card.

BTW the Verite 1000 was not a flop, it was one of the highest rated and well recieved 2D/3D cards of the time, many preferred it to the Voodoo 1 because of IQ.

Back then I owned them all except the Rage 3D. I had the V1000, Voodoo1, Mystique, Virge 3D (not all at the same time).

The first flop was the Nvidia NV1, which didn't support Direct 3D, I remeber watching one in the computer store for a year, that one card never sold. It was there years later at a discount.
 

imported_Rampage

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Originally posted by: Todd33
The Virge 3D was the first 3D card to the market, ignoring the Nvidia NV1, which was not Direct3D. The Voodoo1, Rendition Verite 1000 and Matrox Mystique soon after.

Virge was first?

They did sell a hella lotta cards from what I remember. When I worked at the computer shop a few years back we had buckets of Virge cards laying around. Lots of different variety (DX/SX versions ect)

I didnt mind the Virge and contemplated buying one when they were new. But it was very hard to pick the card that was "to rule them all" back then.. for sure.

The Riva128 fits in there somewhere as well.
 

nRollo

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Originally posted by: Ackmed
Yes, the 60Hz limit is horrible, for CRT users. To LCD users, it doesnt matter at all. There are a lot of LCD users now days, perhaps more than CRT users? I dont know.

What about 2405 owners Ackie? Are they down with 52Hz? ;)

I wouldnt buy a X800 Crossfire setup for the simple fact, the GTX is much cheaper, and about as fast. Same will probably be said for the X1800XT. Same goes for 6800 SLI, I wouldnt buy that setup either. You claim there are many good reasons to buy a 6800 SLI setup, but none for Crossfire? What if someone has a LCD, so the 60Hz limits doesnt matter? C'mon now, whats good for one.. is good for the other.

You're right that a person with a 19" LCD has little reason to care about the 60Hz limit. (AFAIK) That person would have to weigh his options between Crossfire, SLI and a 7800GTX. I personally wouldn't buy a "high end" multi card rig that was hobbled by the R420 feature set, when nVidia solutions offer better, but you're right, the resolution is not a factor for those guys.

 

imported_Rampage

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Originally posted by: Todd33
http://accelenation.com/?ac.id.123.2

Has a timeline, 1996 was the year of the 3D card.

BTW the Verite 1000 was not a flop, it was one of the highest rated and well recieved 2D/3D cards of the time, many preferred it to the Voodoo 1 because of IQ.

Back then I owned them all except the Rage 3D. I had the V1000, Voodoo1, Mystique, Virge 3D (not all at the same time).

The first flop was the Nvidia NV1, which didn't support Direct 3D, I remeber watching one in the computer store for a year, that one card never sold. It was there years later at a discount.

I contend differently, Renditon was a flop because it was the chip that the D3D standard was created from by MS.. and yet turned out to be a flop.. (yes it was a flop lol, it was soundly defeated).
They had a chance to be "The 3dfx" of the industry, but failed miserably in the face of the true king.
Voodoo rewrote the rulebook.. WITHOUT MS's blessing.

No one did as much for 3d graphics than 3dfx, with a close 2nd being Nvidia. And thats debatable.. I only give 3dfx the title because their feature set became "the necessity" for all future contenders that truley wanted to compete.
But NV has done their fair share in developing that market, more than anyone else.

3dfx didnt innovate enough after the Voodoo1.. granted SLI was very cool in the V2.. and V3 I enjoyed because it was a pretty fast card.. by the V4/V5 I became disillusioned and believe I went with a Nvidia. But I did wait a long time for the Voodoo4.. :eek:
 

imported_Rampage

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Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: Ackmed
Yes, the 60Hz limit is horrible, for CRT users. To LCD users, it doesnt matter at all. There are a lot of LCD users now days, perhaps more than CRT users? I dont know.

What about 2405 owners Ackie? Are they down with 52Hz? ;)

I wouldnt buy a X800 Crossfire setup for the simple fact, the GTX is much cheaper, and about as fast. Same will probably be said for the X1800XT. Same goes for 6800 SLI, I wouldnt buy that setup either. You claim there are many good reasons to buy a 6800 SLI setup, but none for Crossfire? What if someone has a LCD, so the 60Hz limits doesnt matter? C'mon now, whats good for one.. is good for the other.

You're right that a person with a 19" LCD has little reason to care about the 60Hz limit. (AFAIK) That person would have to weigh his options between Crossfire, SLI and a 7800GTX. I personally wouldn't buy a "high end" multi card rig that was hobbled by the R420 feature set, when nVidia solutions offer better, but you're right, the resolution is not a factor for those guys.

Ummmmmm... sure. If they plan on sticking with a 19" LCD@1280x1024 forever?
I think even if I was under the 16x12 60hz limit, if half my brain was functioning I'd get SLI instead and not have to worry about that.
 

Todd33

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Originally posted by: southpawuni
Originally posted by: Todd33
The Virge 3D was the first 3D card to the market, ignoring the Nvidia NV1, which was not Direct3D. The Voodoo1, Rendition Verite 1000 and Matrox Mystique soon after.

Virge was first?

They did sell a hella lotta cards from what I remember. When I worked at the computer shop a few years back we had buckets of Virge cards laying around. Lots of different variety (DX/SX versions ect)

I didnt mind the Virge and contemplated buying one when they were new. But it was very hard to pick the card that was "to rule them all" back then.. for sure.

The Riva128 fits in there somewhere as well.

They were all announced around the same time, but the Virge 3D was the first card in the store, but not by much. I lived in Silicon Valley and worked for a computer store at the time, so I watched these thing very close. I even remember doing amateur reviews of the 3D cards for websites, I did one for Bjorn3d.com back when everything was just getting started.

I bought the Virge first, because it was on the shelf. Then I returned it and got a Mystique and soon a Voodoo1 to go with it. I got the Verite later, but it was a great card.

The Rive128 was after all of those. I did buy one from STB the first week they hit, it must have replaced my V1000. It had crappy IQ from fast filtering, but it was fast in D3D.

Then two V2s in SLI, those were the days.

I disagree on the V1000 being a flop. It sold well, had great reviews and had good drivers, The Vodoo1 was faster, but lacked in some areas like filtering. Back then it was the V1000 vs the Voodoo1, but you could run them both. It was all about glquake :)
 

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Originally posted by: southpawuni
Ummmmmm... sure. If they plan on sticking with a 19" LCD@1280x1024 forever?
I think even if I was under the 16x12 60hz limit, if half my brain was functioning I'd get SLI instead and not have to worry about that.

:confused:

I realize they would be limiting themselves to keeping their 19-20" monitor, that would be one of the factors a person considering X800 Missfire would have to consider. They would weigh that against if they got a 6800GT SLI rig the performance is starting to drop at higher than 16X12, although you can still run the 6800GTs at any refresh you need and just ratchet back the AA a notch to play fast at higher resolutions. (where it might be argued you don't need as much AA)
 

imported_Rampage

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Originally posted by: Todd33
Then two V2s in SLI, those were the days.

I disagree on the V1000 being a flop. It sold well, had great reviews and had good drivers, The Vodoo1 was faster, but lacked in some areas like filtering. Back then it was the V1000 vs the Voodoo1, but you could run them both. It was all about glquake :)

That would be the perfect scenario, but I could only afford one at the time and got the V1.
I think i might have the original CDset and receipt around here somewhere, I know it was around $300 or more for my V1.

My POV on the Rendition is that it was a flop alike 3dfx ended up being. But I would agree it was a decent setup at the time..

and offered 3D on 2D rendering which was a cool feature even tho I doubt many used it then.
That was my big crunch.. a superior V1.. or a 2D/3D solution in one nice package..
well I made my choice, reasoning being I wanted the best 3d available.
Which makes sense!

The V1000 IMO, was like the :wine: connoisseur's pick.. a refined card, and nice all around.. but not really the true peoples champion. It was the BMW when most people chose the Corvette.
I was willing as a consumer to sacrifice a nice 2D/3D solution back then for something more of a high HP powerhouse.

The 3D-only aspect was actually very cool, nice way to cut down on costs as the market desperately needed some pushin.. it did get the job done nicely.
 

CaiNaM

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Originally posted by: M0RPH
Turtle threw out lots of BS. He said lots of dumb things. He was quite annoying at times. Does that mean he deserves to be banned? I don't think so.
I don't disagree with you there, but that's not the reason for his ban. do you really believe that an AT mod simply banned him because rollo asked him to? somehow i belive the mod felt he had good reason -- this forum isn't like driver heaven's where ppl are banned for simply stating an opinion which doesn't agree with the mod's..

 

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Originally posted by: busmaster11
I remember Virge coming out not long before the riva128, which I bought right when it came out toward the beginning of my junior year of college in late 97. Even if given a year, that would have made its intro no earlier then late 1996... I'm fairly certain of that.

From businessweek:
In November 1995, the company introduced its ViRGE family of 3D graphics and video acceleration products, which enables 3D graphics on mainstream PCs

Which made it close to if not THE best 2D available when it came out. Keep in mind we're not talking about the more common and inferior MX or GX version -- crapified versions of video cards for sub-$300 PC market come out later.

It was available in stores a month or 2 BEFORE the official release as an OEM version with a reseller's license....




 

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Originally posted by: Rollo



I can see that, it?s not hard to tell! You exaggerate about ATI?s failures, any weak opportunity you find about ATI you or any of your buddies will post it on the forums. For what to prove what?
"Any weak opportunity"?! X800 Crossfire lit up the sky as it crashed spectacularly? This is a blunder of EPIC proportions? People made a big deal about SLI not supporting an Apple monitor, or WS monitors for a while- this is ALL CRTs? Do you understand how big a gaffe that is? It's even big LCDs too?

OK, I've got to admit it. Your penchant for drama has made me laugh a big one. LOL! You are so far disconnected from reality that it makes me smile.

Btw, it's not "big LCD's", it's *huge* LCD's. Everything up to 20 inches is fair game on Xfire. It's only above that where it starts to be a problem.

But your comment about Crossfire lighting up the sky in a sign of specatcularity is great - it's the very essence of how things work in your mind. A microcosm of the epic battle in your mind of the good old boys at Nvidia (your beta-driver leaking buddy included) vs those dastardly Canadian miscreants and their underhanded tactics. Anytime ATI missteps, it's an earth shattering, dramatic event, apparently. You really do take these things seriously, don't you ;) .
 

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Originally posted by: jiffylube1024
Originally posted by: Rollo



I can see that, it?s not hard to tell! You exaggerate about ATI?s failures, any weak opportunity you find about ATI you or any of your buddies will post it on the forums. For what to prove what?
"Any weak opportunity"?! X800 Crossfire lit up the sky as it crashed spectacularly? This is a blunder of EPIC proportions? People made a big deal about SLI not supporting an Apple monitor, or WS monitors for a while- this is ALL CRTs? Do you understand how big a gaffe that is? It's even big LCDs too?

OK, I've got to admit it. Your penchant for drama has made me laugh a big one. LOL! You are so far disconnected from reality that it makes me smile.

Btw, it's not "big LCD's", it's *huge* LCD's. Everything up to 20 inches is fair game on Xfire. It's only above that where it starts to be a problem.

But your comment about Crossfire lighting up the sky in a sign of specatcularity is great - it's the very essence of how things work in your mind. A microcosm of the epic battle in your mind of the good old boys at Nvidia (your beta-driver leaking buddy included) vs those dastardly Canadian miscreants and their underhanded tactics. Anytime ATI missteps, it's an earth shattering, dramatic event, apparently. You really do take these things seriously, don't you ;) .

and now we find out that (at least for retail) crossfire doesn't even exist yet. another paper launch for ati. the sky seems pretty bright to me ;)
 

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Originally posted by: CaiNaM
and now we find out that (at least for retail) crossfire doesn't even exist yet. another paper launch for ati. the sky seems pretty bright to me ;)

Oh the humanity!!! That's it, ATI is sunk! Sell those shares before they're worth nothing!! ;)
 

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Originally posted by: southpawuni

First you claimed that ATI had DX9 PCI cards.. now you are off on this idea that PCI only systems wont be sold by Dell when Vista comes out.. well you know many probably wouldve said the same thing YEARS ago.. that they'd all have AGP by now as well..

but they dont. And we'll see won't we? I'm not going to play fortune teller, but I think the people who get "duped" into those cheaper PCs from Dell are always going to be looking for a PCI video card..

I never said ATi had a DX9 PCI card. You say you're not a fortune teller, yet you go on the next thing and comment on something that we dont know yet. The 5200 "may not be a great gamer"? Uh, there is no maybe about it, its not a great gamer. And it sure wont be when Vista comes out. You dont have to be a fortune teller to see that.

Originally posted by: southpawuni
Dell doenst WANT to stop selling PCI only PCs because many just buy a whole new one when they find out they can barely upgrade the video.
But popping a 5200 and additional ram.. and they are pretty decent machines.. maybe not a great gamer.. but good Luna GUI acceleration (and in the near future, good Aeroglass acceleration courtesy of Nvidia).
As well as then having DVI support, and much improved video options all around.

I've worked on many, many PCs with PCI only, and a cheap 5200 was the ticket..
Surely Vista will run on a P4 2.8ghz with 512-1GB of RAM and a FX5200.

Times change. They probably arent going to keep making PCI only systems, if there are not any new PCI cards. Again, its a guess at this time. Sure it will "run", just like the 6200 can "do" HDR. Like a slug.

Originally posted by: southpawuni
With those cheap Dells they usually skimp on RAM and basically everything besides they toss in a "decent" CPU.

Again, have to use quotes on "decent" because everyone here is a "enthusiast" and such a fkin arrogant pr*** on what "decent" is.

You may have a 4000+ supercooled Athlon64, but the vast majority don't.. and in my mind a circa 3ghz CPU is just fine for the vast majority of people.
Yes, I'm tired of pinhead geeks who just got done popping a zit telling me how lame a 5200 or Pentium4 is.

Good job name calling, and making poor assumptions again. Pinhed geek, popping zits? Heh, say whatever you want to make yourself feel better. Too bad its far from the truth. The 5200 is a lame gamers card.

If a person is smart enough to add ram like you say, they would be smart enough not to add a 5200. Again, this is assuming that there will be PCI only systems sold. There is no factual basis for this claim at this time.

Originally posted by: southpawuni
I have a A64 and a 6800GT.. and I know hardware just fine.

PS. 1680x1050 is not "low res" no matter how you slice it. Another perfect example of some geek taking the low road and playing the elitist.

I dont have a 4000+ super cooled A64. Nor did I say that 1680x1050 was a low res. I suggest you read the thread again, and stop making quotes that you think I said.

Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: Ackmed
Yes, the 60Hz limit is horrible, for CRT users. To LCD users, it doesnt matter at all. There are a lot of LCD users now days, perhaps more than CRT users? I dont know.

What about 2405 owners Ackie? Are they down with 52Hz? ;)

I wouldnt buy a X800 Crossfire setup for the simple fact, the GTX is much cheaper, and about as fast. Same will probably be said for the X1800XT. Same goes for 6800 SLI, I wouldnt buy that setup either. You claim there are many good reasons to buy a 6800 SLI setup, but none for Crossfire? What if someone has a LCD, so the 60Hz limits doesnt matter? C'mon now, whats good for one.. is good for the other.

You're right that a person with a 19" LCD has little reason to care about the 60Hz limit. (AFAIK) That person would have to weigh his options between Crossfire, SLI and a 7800GTX. I personally wouldn't buy a "high end" multi card rig that was hobbled by the R420 feature set, when nVidia solutions offer better, but you're right, the resolution is not a factor for those guys.


Hz doesnt work the same way on LCD's as it does on CRT's.

Its not just 19" LCD's. So now its dumb of people to buy X800 Crossfire, but not 6800 SLI? Please. 6800 SLI has the same problem that Crossfire does in that a single GTX is about as fast, for much cheaper, less hassle, more features (your fav), etc.
 

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Originally posted by: CaiNaM
and now we find out that (at least for retail) crossfire doesn't even exist yet. another paper launch for ati. the sky seems pretty bright to me ;)

Oh the humanity!!! That's it, ATI is sunk! Sell those shares before they're worth nothing!! ;)

what does humanity have to do with it? and i never said ati is "sunk". i said they promised crossfire, and they didn't deliver. nothing more, nothing less. that's not speculation, exaggeration, or anything of the like.

you can certainly twist it any way you like to make yourself feel better, but i'm stating nothing more than a fact - crossfire is supposed to be here, and it's not.
 

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Originally posted by: CaiNaM

you can certainly twist it any way you like to make yourself feel better, but i'm stating nothing more than a fact - crossfire is supposed to be here, and it's not.

there's no pleasing some people . . . first they diss the product and say, "no one would buy this crap" THEN they say "it's supposed to be here". :Q

no it isn't - if it's crap ;)

ati HAD to launch x850 Xfire . . . they already have supplied all they are gonna sell - with x1800 xfire 5 days away

:D