I know the MAXX was close, but I liked it, warts and all.
It's actually in a list of my all time favorite cards, as are the V5 and 5800U.
I know the MAXX was close, but I liked it, warts and all.
It's actually in a list of my all time favorite cards, as are the V5 and 5800U.
reread: i was talking about the maxx....
and your reasoning regarding nv30 i already covered in an earlier post.
really? what have they had to compete with the g70 the last 3-4 months (single or sli)?
i certainly find it of interest you make a statement then contradict yourself in the very next paragraph
.crossfire hasn't "taken" anything yet... but again it's funny that on one hand, we can't really judge crossfire's place in this poll because it's not really released, but on the hand we can say it's the best? fanboy logic is amazingly ignorant.
Gamingphreek
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Actually that was meant to be parody Kevin. I was replying to 5150 Joker who had posted something about "Wake me when ATI stops paper launching products that aren't available for five months", and I was implying we're all like kids with pRon in regard to ATIs paper launches, glomming onto any hint of leaked info like this years SI Swimsuit Issue in a prison.
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Point well taken!
like ati being at the bottom of the rung in every generation prior to the release of r300? one of the main reasons r300 was so cool is that it wsa a new design and didn't follow the "raise clockspeeds for better performance" theory that nvidia had used since geforce256.
given that ati is now following the same premise (at least until r600) and have had issues with bleedthrough and thermal issues, i find it illogical to assume it will be faster simply becuase "it's the next gen product".
they're releasing (at least on paper) crossfire months late despite it's obvious fallbacks. given your reasoning, why don't they just wait and release a better version with x1800?
LOL.. since when has intelligence had anything to do with what card anyone purchases? if that were the case, you never would have purchased your beloved 5800u, nor would you think back on it so fondly (you yourself purchase based on "coolness factor".
Originally posted by: CaiNaM
LOL.. since when has intelligence had anything to do with what card anyone purchases? if that were the case, you never would have purchased your beloved 5800u, nor would you think back on it so fondly (you yourself purchase based on "coolness factor".
I've got to admit you have a point there.
(I didn't buy the MAXX, V5, or 5800s for their gaming prowess)
Retaliation for which post? Actually was a very quiet thread about the possiblity of a fall release for the r580 - was no flaming.
3dfx was in very serious fiscal doodoo when Nv did the buyout.
Most of their failure was a result of their business model. While nvidia and ati outsourced their designs to fabs, and outsourced the card designs to OEMs, 3dfx insisted that they manufacture damn near every component.
Originally posted by: DRavisher
I guess that's the big issue. x8xx crossfire is only 'necessary' at high resolutions
And it certainly seems ATi have some pretty nice MBs comming. Will be nice to have more than one (nvidia) chipset designers to choose from for us enthusiasts.
Having cross fire for the X8XX series cards won't be too bad, all it will let people do is support newer games at decent resolutions with decent settings longer... This incarnation of crossfire will encourage the whole "just add in another card for double performance" thing and will extend the life of the product. You could pickup another X800 for example, fairly cheap by the time the X800 is slow which will then have performance albiet lower but somewhere in the range of a 7800GT/X which will allow one to keep their graphics card longer before scrapping it.
IMO, I like to keep hardware until it fails, and if I've got an itching for something newer, all I do is just make my current hardware fail sooner, like overclock the sh!t outta it!
Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: apoppin
Rollo liked the Rage MAXX . . .
that's why
:Q
it was an abomination that couldn't live up to ATI's promise to make it work with Win2K
Teh MAXX was teh roxor.
ATIs Rage Fury chip was WAY behind the GF1 in driver quality and speed. So what does ATI do?
Cobbles two of them together on a board to make the a close second place card where two inferior GPUs render every other frame.
It was a totally cool solution that would have went over a lot better if they could have worked out those nagging details like synching the AFR, flashing textures, and Win2K.
I didn't use Win2K, so I only experienced two of its weaknesses. I can tell you this- I'd take flashing textures at times and jumpy fps over looking at 60Hz flashing in front of me like some 70s disco.
Your seriously retarded... 60HZ isn't THAT BAD.
I'm not sure if "your" retarded, or if you're retarded?
I'm amused at the amount of ignorance displayed when people attempt to bash one another.
Before you attempt to degrade someone, you might want to hit the books and raise that IQ above 50. :thumbsup:
But if thats your POV, then I'll expect you to be the first one in line to purchase a Crossfire rig.
1920x1200@52hz isnt that bad either.
i don't understand why some ppl keep saying this...
3dfx was dead. plans were considered on how best to dissolve the company, and it was decided the nvidia deal would provide the best return to crediters, shareholders, etc.
3dfx not manufacturing products by that time; all that was left were the "certain graphics related assets of 3dfx Interactive" (intellectual property), which nvidia purchased after the fact (for a bout 70m in cash and some stock).... the company itself had already "died" for all intensive purposes.
Nvidia 5800 Ultra leads to -> 7800GTX
Voodoo5 research and other 3dfx intellectual properties leads to -> 7800GTX
ATI MAXX leads to -> Crossfire ?!?!
Impressive!
Voodoo5 research and other 3dfx intellectual properties leads to -> 7800GTX
ATI MAXX leads to -> Crossfire ?!?!
Impressive!
Really?
The conclusion of Firing Squads article
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/ati...s_200_crossfire_performance/page11.asp
The conclusion of Hs review
http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=ODE1LDE2
I guess there are other "retards" that think looking at 60Hz is painful as well? I think you should try it a while and see if you have any CRTs around. AFAIK the VESA standard for no eyestrain looking at a CRT is 72Hz?
But when will you understand, the R5xx generation won't have the resolution limitation! So it will probably not be a failure.
Sure, the X850XT Crossfire Editions have the limitation, but the newer cards will not have them. Imagine this - Nvidia implemented SLI for 5800 Ultra too, but with a resolution limitation. Would you call SLI a failure because of this?
Plus, as some have pointed out already.
a) Crossfire is NOT a video card.
b) It's merely even released yet - you can't call it a failure when it's new.
and
c) As I and many others have already pointed out: The next generation WILL NOT have the resolution limitation.
It is painfully obvious you are intentionally neglecting facts because they don't suit your anti-ATI agenda.
Sure, the X850XT Crossfire Editions have the limitation, but the newer cards will not have them. Imagine this - Nvidia implemented SLI for 5800 Ultra too, but with a resolution limitation. Would you call SLI a failure because of this?
Plus, as some have pointed out already.
a) Crossfire is NOT a video card.
b) It's merely even released yet - you can't call it a failure when it's new.
and
c) As I and many others have already pointed out: The next generation WILL NOT have the resolution limitation.
It is painfully obvious you are intentionally neglecting facts because they don't suit your anti-ATI agenda.
So please explain the valid "point" of creating this thread other than being just one more in an endless string of anti-ATI posts.
Let's examine the choices we were given.
S3 Savage 2000 - Released May, 1999 - long out of production
3DFX Voodoo 5 - Released July, 2000 - long out of production
nVidia 5800 Ultra - Released January, 2003 - long out of production
ATI Crossfire - Released September, 2005 - Newly released and just beginning production
Memory lane? Crossfire was released only days ago. How is that "memory lane" to anybody without short term memory loss? How can Crossfire accurately be considered a "spectacular failure" when it will obviously go through multiple more revisions/improvements over the next couple of years? No, he thought "it would be fun" to create yet another anti-ATI slanted thread. And everybody knows it.
Isn't it getting old to you yet, Kevin? Because it sure is for the rest of us. I have no problem with anybody who is Pro-nVidia or Pro-ATI. It's the unending Anti-ATI threads/posts from Rollo that are causing so many people to label him a fanboy. I would have no issues with Rollo if it weren't for his constant posting of anti-ATI half-truths and "sly" comments.
Honestly, he takes all the fun out of being a hardware enthusiast who visits the Video Forums.
rbV5
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You'll note that I didn't list Nvidia's "purevideo" debacle as a "spectacular failure" either. I was only speaking to your post about hardware limitations, which Nvidia has their share of on their own. At least ATI is totally upfront about their hardware limitations in Crossfire (I hope LOL), yet Nvidia still promotes "purevideo" as if nothing is wrong. You'll also note that I praised my 6800 card that I purchased as being a good value for a gaming card the whole while, and sold it after several months of use to another member of this forum who was happy about the purchase. You'll also note that I have also praised some aspects of "Purevideo" like MPEG decoding the whole while as well...to this day even...you see I understand the actual issue, unlike yourself.
My "efforts" as you call them were only to inform other users of issues with the card, and to hopefully get Nvidia to work on getting them resolved. The former was accomplished, not by me, but by other enthusiasts that continued to raise the issue above the noise that other users such as yourself, who despite admittedly "caring less" about the issue, would post in thread after thread in an attempt to dismiss both other users even considering it as being a problem at all, ridiculing them for using a "gamer card" for anything other than gaming and expecting it to work, and trying to act like you even had a clue what you were talking about the whole time. The latter is "who knows" as many of the "purevideo" features have yet to be delivered on even the supposed "working" cards.
Something tells me that alot more users play video on their "gaming" cards than will ever "play" anything on a multi-gpu platform.
apoppin
Lifer
You nVidiots are gonna like this.
Crossfire not so available after all
:Q
so there is No x800 Crossfire . . . it's a PAPER LAUNCH
Crossfire not so available after all
:Q
so there is No x800 Crossfire . . . it's a PAPER LAUNCH
From an outside perspective, I must attest that its you, turtle, a few other people whose names I dont remember... and formerly ronnn (but he seems much more level headed now) that make it an unpleasant place.
Rollo is entertaining, informative and quite friendly actually if you talk to him about ATI hes quite knowledgable.
Hes actually probably owned more ATI products than anyone here. He knows the pitfalls and pluses to both hardware lineups.
Of course, thats just my experience.. maybe some of you are so adversarial that he doesnt feel like exactly being kind to you.. you are probably bringing on more "Anti ATI" threads from your own reaction to him than anything else.
I dont find this thread as "Anti ATI", there seems to be four options to pick from.
Any finding of 'anti ati bias' is in your minds alone.
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