I want to change my choice...I now pick the crossfire...a double paper laucnh and their partners have neever seen one in person...but they should be the shelves tomorrow!!! wink/wink
Which is why I said the 7800GTXs have to be considered?
There are three choices that offer similar performance at 16X12. All have pros and cons.
Were I to rank them in order of preference for gaming at 16X12 I would pick:
1. 7800GTX best features of the lot, similar performance most of the time
2. 6800GT/U SLI close second on features, sometimes much better performance
3. Crossfire distant third on features (lacks SM3, SS shadows, EXR HDR, TAA), can't be used with CRTs, clunky dongle + master slave arrangement Marginally better on some games.
Who on the planet would disagree with me? (outside of Intelia/ Turtle) I'm not posting any revelations here Ackmed, musing on the DOA paper launch.
Originally posted by: apoppin
there's no pleasing some people . . . first they diss the product and say, "no one would buy this crap" THEN they say "it's supposed to be here". :Q
no it isn't - if it's crap
ati HAD to launch x850 Xfire . . . they already have supplied all they are gonna sell - with x1800 xfire 5 days away
I'll believe that when I see it, so far we only have a couple photos, and I can't tell much from them?
R520 sighting
R515 sighting
New "extreme pipe"
apoppin
Lifer
you still don't get it . . .
ati planned very well to suppy all they are going to sell of x800 xfire
they ain't exactly flying off the shelves . . . nor would they IF there were thousands on the shelves . . .
it aint a PL . . . it's "limited supply" for "limited demand" . . .
try "non-existant demand" as x1800 [paper] launch is 5 days away.
My threads are always fun and informative Prodigy, that why Southpaw calls me "Jesus"!
:beer: (no offense to anyone named Jesus intended!)
Originally posted by: apoppin
there's no pleasing some people . . . first they diss the product and say, "no one would buy this crap" THEN they say "it's supposed to be here". :Q
no it isn't - if it's crap
ati HAD to launch x850 Xfire . . . they already have supplied all they are gonna sell - with x1800 xfire 5 days away
Exactly! Do they want Crossfire or not?
(A certain someone, won't say his name
) seems to insult so many people that they just give up and start taking his side on everything, rationality be damned!Cainam, you agreed with Rollo that the sky was burning brightly - you gladly hopped onboard his strained metaphor, where he also proclaimed it a failure of epic proportions.
So I think an analogy to another epic failure is in order, since Crossfire is clearly a tradgedy to put among the greats.
Originally posted by: jiffylube1024
Originally posted by: apoppin
there's no pleasing some people . . . first they diss the product and say, "no one would buy this crap" THEN they say "it's supposed to be here". :Q
no it isn't - if it's crap
ati HAD to launch x850 Xfire . . . they already have supplied all they are gonna sell - with x1800 xfire 5 days away
Exactly! Do they want Crossfire or not?
(A certain someone, won't say his name
Cainam, you agreed with Rollo that the sky was burning brightly - you gladly hopped onboard his strained metaphor, where he also proclaimed it a failure of epic proportions.
So I think an analogy to another epic failure is in order, since Crossfire is clearly a tradgedy to put among the greats.
I would never insult another member Jiffy- I have the highest regard for you all and enjoy your company.
Seriously.
Originally posted by: apoppin
you still don't get it . . .
ati planned very well to suppy all they are going to sell of x800 xfire
they ain't exactly flying off the shelves . . . nor would they IF there were thousands on the shelves . . .
it aint a PL . . . it's "limited supply" for "limited demand" . . .
try "non-existant demand" as x1800 [paper] launch is 5 days away.
I know but you would think your partners would have at least had a pre production unit to sample by now...dont you???
Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: apoppin
there's no pleasing some people . . . first they diss the product and say, "no one would buy this crap" THEN they say "it's supposed to be here". :Q
no it isn't - if it's crap
ati HAD to launch x850 Xfire . . . they already have supplied all they are gonna sell - with x1800 xfire 5 days away
I'll believe that when I see it, so far we only have a couple photos, and I can't tell much from them?
R520 sighting
R515 sighting
New "extreme pipe"
Rollo, I like your sense of humour, and the fact that you know a lot about computer hardware. What I can't understand is the amount of loyalty you show to a company that gives two shiites about you. This goes for the ATI fanbois as well, neither of these companies really cares about the devotion you show to them that you would waste so much time bickering over there products. They only care about money, no if's and's or but's about it. While this might lead to great innovations in 3D hardware, it is still important to remember that the only reason it exists is to extract the most dollar from your wallet.
Originally posted by: Rollo
My threads are always fun and informative Prodigy, that why Southpaw calls me "Jesus"!
(no offense to anyone named Jesus intended!)
LOL.
"Why doesn't anyone ever snap and think they are Buddha? Especially in America, where more people resemble Buddha than Jesus"
-huge Bill Hicks fan here...
apoppin
Lifer
Originally posted by: Duvie
Originally posted by: apoppin
you still don't get it . . .
ati planned very well to suppy all they are going to sell of x800 xfire
they ain't exactly flying off the shelves . . . nor would they IF there were thousands on the shelves . . .
it aint a PL . . . it's "limited supply" for "limited demand" . . .
try "non-existant demand" as x1800 [paper] launch is 5 days away.
I know but you would think your partners would have at least had a pre production unit to sample by now...dont you???
i have read that they ARE available at some retailers IF anyone in their right mind would want to buy one . . . no MOST of the partners will never see ANY x800 crossfire units as there won't be any more production.
i really don't think ati plans to sell more than a few . . . they are looking to x-fire x1800 . . . [keep your promises] cut your losses and move on . . .
You can be pretty harsh to M0RPH, among others. I enjoy your zealous banter at times too, but it gets old.
Maybe insulting wasn't the right word, a much more appropriate term would be baiting, which you are the master at doing.
(Erm, upon reflection, I'm not saying you're a 'master' 'baiter' either. I mean you're a master at baiting people into getting into flame wars
).Originally posted by: jiffylube1024
Exactly! Do they want Crossfire or not?
(A certain someone, won't say his name
Cainam, you agreed with Rollo that the sky was burning brightly - you gladly hopped onboard his strained metaphor, where he also proclaimed it a failure of epic proportions.
So I think an analogy to another epic failure is in order, since Crossfire is clearly a tradgedy to put among the greats.
again you avoid the point and take the subject in a completely different (irrelevant) direction.
we have seen the crossfire launch date come and go. we have seen some reviews. what we haven't seen is product in the channel. ati didn't deliver as they said they would, plain and simple. i don't understand why people try to rationalize and defend ati on this.
does this mean ati is going under? nope.
does this mean r520 doesn't exist? or that it suxors? nope.
it just means ati didn't deliver on their promise regarding crossfire in this generation.
if this is somehow inaccurate, then please correct me, but at least try and stick to the subject if you can.
as far as personal opinions, i believe this is a great example of how a company's PR dept. exaggerates in an effort to make a company look better -- there's been pages of cr@p regardging crossfire keeping ati in the news, but yet -- no crossfire.. worse yet, there is no talk of it's absence. just goes to show how gullible the masses can be when manipulated by PR. they dangle the proverbial carrot and the lemmings just keep following.....
apoppin
Lifer
Originally posted by: jiffylube1024
You can be pretty harsh to M0RPH, among others. I enjoy your zealous banter at times too, but it gets old.
Maybe insulting wasn't the right word, a much more appropriate term would be baiting, which you are the master at doing.
(Erm, upon reflection, I'm not saying you're a 'master' 'baiter' either. I mean you're a master at baiting people into getting into flame wars
oh . . a master baiter :Q
fishing and trolling are related, i guess
Thanks Dude!
I don't do it for nVidia, I'm just in their corner because I'm all about rewarding the company I see driving the industry forward. Just a hobbyist discussing brand features like you'd find in a car or gun forum.....
"The Chevy 327 ownz the Ford 308!" type stuff.
All in good fun, and I try to keep my stuff as accurate as I can to hopefully help out someone who doesn't have my experiences to draw on, or isn't getting what I see as all sides of an issue.
Originally posted by: jiffylube1024
You can be pretty harsh to M0RPH, among others. I enjoy your zealous banter at times too, but it gets old.
Maybe insulting wasn't the right word, a much more appropriate term would be baiting, which you are the master at doing.
(Erm, upon reflection, I'm not saying you're a 'master' 'baiter' either. I mean you're a master at baiting people into getting into flame wars
Morph can be pretty harsh to me. I'd prefer not to argue with anyone, believe it or not.
apoppin
Lifer
Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: jiffylube1024
You can be pretty harsh to M0RPH, among others. I enjoy your zealous banter at times too, but it gets old.
Maybe insulting wasn't the right word, a much more appropriate term would be baiting, which you are the master at doing.
(Erm, upon reflection, I'm not saying you're a 'master' 'baiter' either. I mean you're a master at baiting people into getting into flame wars
Morph can be pretty harsh to me. I'd prefer not to argue with anyone, believe it or not.
as long as they are in agreement with you . . . of course. Me too.
Originally posted by: apoppin
oh . . a master baiter :Q
fishing and trolling are related, i guess
No, that wasn't my point! I was pointint out that that wasn't my intention. Although... Thinking about the shiny pipes comment...
Yes, but the pot can be pretty harsh to the kettle as well here. You don't exactly coat each post towards him with sugar and flowers either.. And frankly I think you get into arguments with him because you don't agree with him or his opinion.
We'd all not like to get into arguments, but we all have different opinions. And frankly getting into spats with someone (like m0rph) and then playing the "I'm the victim" card is immature. You guys are in different trenches, just accept the fact that he's entitled to like a company just like you are.
apoppin
Lifer
you made that clear that consciously it wasn't your intention . . . anyway . . .Originally posted by: jiffylube1024
Originally posted by: apoppin
oh . . a master baiter :Q
fishing and trolling are related, i guess
No, that wasn't my point! I was pointint out that that wasn't my intention. Although... Thinking about the shiny pipes comment...
i just took it and ran with it
rollo IS a fisherman, right?
:Q
[or am i mixing him with someone else]
[i already know he is a 'baiter
Originally posted by: southpawuni
I contend differently, Renditon was a flop because it was the chip that the D3D standard was created from by MS.. and yet turned out to be a flop.. (yes it was a flop lol, it was soundly defeated).
They had a chance to be "The 3dfx" of the industry, but failed miserably in the face of the true king.
Voodoo rewrote the rulebook.. WITHOUT MS's blessing.
No one did as much for 3d graphics than 3dfx, with a close 2nd being Nvidia. And thats debatable.. I only give 3dfx the title because their feature set became "the necessity" for all future contenders that truley wanted to compete.
But NV has done their fair share in developing that market, more than anyone else.
3dfx didnt innovate enough after the Voodoo1.. granted SLI was very cool in the V2.. and V3 I enjoyed because it was a pretty fast card.. by the V4/V5 I became disillusioned and believe I went with a Nvidia. But I did wait a long time for the Voodoo4..
3dfx and GLide miniports for Quake is what pioneered the 3d industry, even though OpenGL/Glide never succeeded due to M$'s backing of their D3D and nVidia's tremendous success with D3D accelerators.
I don't recall Voodoo1 being much of a D3D accelerator...
Hmmm... interesting... This is news to me...
I credit 3DFX for being the legitimate pioneers of the 3D gaming industry, but they were largely a two trick pony. ATI was around the whole time as 2d video accelerators, but they were VERY late to the party for 3D. The company that continued to innovate and produce in the face of two generations of tough competition (3DFX and ATI) is nVidia.
I don't see how the 5800 or ATI xFire can be the "Most spectacular failure in video card history". After all, ATI and NVidia are still around. 3DFX is not.
It worked great in D3D. It did everything. I used a voodoo1 for a long time, I remember specifically playing Monster Truck Madness (a MS game) with it.
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