Most spectacular failure in video card history

[Gamingphreek]

Yeah...ATI said they will use Dual Link in the future (IIRC) but not too soon. Im not quite sure why they are doing this...most people who are buying those solutions buy them for the purpose of driving displays at >16x12.

As for Rollo's points:

1. Yes he is overrating it. But still nonetheless true. If Nvidia made their own cards, and IF they cut warranty im sure he would be just as disappointed. A little exaggerated, yes, true, yes.
2. I dont know the specifics of the cases, but it is somewhat a valid point. Neither of the cases should affect GPU quality or production, but they are notable nonetheless.
3. We just discussed it
4. Arguably his best point. THis can do many things.
a. Suffering multiple tape-outs, among being late to the market, will cost them money over and above what was anticipated. Whether this transfers down to us via higher prices is yet to be seen (may have been the motive behind Warranty cuts, in which case the cuts may be only temporary)
b. Aside from economically, they are late to the market. Definitely not a positive thing for the consumer.
c. Doing multiple tapeouts, tends to indicate yield problems, or leakage issues (etc...) Whether this is still a problem is yet to be seen. While this is speculation there is strong evidence supporting a somewhat inefficient design...may be wrong, may be right; not sure yet.

I dont think he ever doomed ATI to the toilet lol. In fact i remember him defending ATI in those arguments saying, that there is no way ATI is going anywhere. He also "pimped" his Rage Fury Maxx. I agree that the underlying purpose for this post was to get some votes towards crossfire, and even based on all of his posts, it would appear that he leans towards Nvidia, however, here is something i think may help (I just save a bunch of money.... nah):

Rollo may post a lot of pro-Nvidia material, however people expect you to post pro-ATI material to sort of even it out. Just because he does not post that, doesn't mean he is bashing them. It just indicates perhaps a slight bias.

Tensions are high in the Video Forum right now, i think a little talking here can go a long way; as there are a bunch of misconceptions and miscommunications.

-Kevin

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024
I'm sick and tired of all of this Rollo defending. We're talking, here and now, in another Rollo-generated flame-seeking thread. Another thread, in a never ending e-penis measuring contest between the 5800 Ultra, and Rollo's ATI-hated solution of the day. We're talking in a thread that asks about an unreleased motherboard solution:

What was the most spectacular failure in video card history?

Apparently some are sick and tired of the Rollo bashing. I'm as entitled to post the negatives about ATI as you are to post the positives?

I wasn't aware "Crossfire" only pertained to motherboards? Damn, I could have sworn there was some Crossfire only video cards that are necessary to run Crossfire?

 

[KeepItRed]

Here's some Missfire for you Rollo.

 

[ronnn]

Well kevin you are wrong - this was flat out trolling - and as such - really should have been locked.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: KeepItRed
Here's some Missfire for you Rollo.

Ok you linked to BF2 benchmarks. What are you trying to prove.

Well kevin you are wrong - this was flat out trolling - and as such - really should have been locked.

No. No one has any proof that the supposed underlying principle is true. Im sure that Rollo didn't want flames bursting around his thread. Hardly trolling, a biased post...arguable, but still not trolling.

I was actually somewhat interested in what some people thought was a great flop in the ol' video cards. I do agree however, putting Crossfire on there was somewhat unfair, but based on the information we have right now, it SEEMS to have some significant flaws.

Ah well, i think i had this right earlier:

A thread is only a flamefest if you (ie: The people posting in it) make it one.

-Kevin

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek


Rollo may post a lot of pro-Nvidia material, however people expect you to post pro-ATI material to sort of even it out.

Where do I go creating flame-worthy threads, making baseless claims or other such juvenile game play? There's a difference between defending a company or taking the reverse side of an argument and "posting pro-ATI material" . I thought by posting factual information regarding actual market percentages, was considered more unbiased than pulling "facts" out of thin-air, but apparently they carry the same weight to you ???

Just because he does not post that, doesn't mean he is bashing them. It just indicates perhaps a slight bias.

Rollo, biased? What kind of baseless accusations are these?? Travesty! (Yes, I'm being facetious).

Originally posted by: guess who

Apparently some are sick and tired of the Rollo bashing. I'm as entitled to post the negatives about ATI as you are to post the positives?

Here's another of your inimitable quotes:

While ATI was gaining that market share based on giveaway chips and losing many millions, nVidia was posting record profits while their CEO posted they did not care about losses in the ghetto chip market, that their market is the high end and always would be.

I doubt nVidia cares if ATI goes broke giving away $1 integrated graphics chips, they're selling 3/4 of the money chips.

Where does pulling stuff out of thin air constitute your 'entitlement to post the negatives' ? You're posting conjecture and FUD, my friend.

Here's one: 3/4 of the time your posts are 100% BS .

Cheers.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: KeepItRed
Here's some Missfire for you Rollo.

Good article KeepItRed, I like the conclusion:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/ati-crossfire_37.html

However, the today?s CrossFire incarnation has one more serious drawback than just a raw driver: the resolution limitation of 1600x1200 at 60Hz refresh rate, which is in fact a hardware flaw. This is most likely to prevent ATI RADEON X8 CrossFire from getting really popular.

Good find.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: ronnn
Well kevin you are wrong - this was flat out trolling - and as such - really should have been locked.

Four companies were represented in my poll. Am I trolling all manufacturers?

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
A thread is only a flamefest if you (ie: The people posting in it) make it one.
-Kevin

Touchez.

Though, in order to continue this charade, I'd have to ask this question: why does trouble (and flame wars) seem to follow Rollo wherever he goes? Is he the unluckiest poster in the world? Or is he perhaps fanning the flames and building these pyres himself because of the content of his posts, like that nice bit of conjecture he just made up about Nvidia owning 3/4 of the "top" of the market (arbitrarily assigned... Who knows if the 6800GT/Ultra is in that category, of if that's just the 7800 series vs the X850XT PE). He stalwartly proclaimed that ATI was only getting such high percentages because they were selling $1 chips to catch up.

Kevin, if that's not flame bait, then what is?

 

[yhelothar]

Voodoo5 easily.. I mean.. 3dfx went belly up from it.. what can be a bigger failure than to go belly up?

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek


Rollo may post a lot of pro-Nvidia material, however people expect you to post pro-ATI material to sort of even it out.

Where do I go creating flame-worthy threads, making baseless claims or other such juvenile game play? There's a difference between defending a company or taking the reverse side of an argument and "posting pro-ATI material" . I thought by posting factual information regarding actual market percentages, was considered more unbiased than pulling "facts" out of thin-air, but apparently they carry the same weight to you ???

Just because he does not post that, doesn't mean he is bashing them. It just indicates perhaps a slight bias.

Rollo, biased? What kind of baseless accusations are these?? Travesty! (Yes, I'm being facetious).

Originally posted by: guess who

Apparently some are sick and tired of the Rollo bashing. I'm as entitled to post the negatives about ATI as you are to post the positives?

Here's another of your inimitable quotes:

While ATI was gaining that market share based on giveaway chips and losing many millions, nVidia was posting record profits while their CEO posted they did not care about losses in the ghetto chip market, that their market is the high end and always would be.

I doubt nVidia cares if ATI goes broke giving away $1 integrated graphics chips, they're selling 3/4 of the money chips.

Where does pulling stuff out of thin air constitute your 'entitlement to post the negatives' ? You're posting conjecture and FUD, my friend.

Here's one: 3/4 of the time your posts are 100% BS .

Cheers.

You are getting way too worked up about this my friend.

I never said you create flame-worthy threads. Rollo may have some "beef" with ATI at this time. It is no where near trolling or flaming or posting mindless FUD. Exaggerating the negatives...perhaps.

Where does pulling stuff out of thin air constitute your 'entitlement to post the negatives' ? You're posting conjecture and FUD, my friend.

While selling low-end solutions may sell the most profits, not releasing a generation or releasing it late has got to hurt them. Additionally, i think more emphasis would be on high end card on an enthusiast forum, not saying budget doesn't count but enthusiasts should care more about high end.

-Kevin

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
A thread is only a flamefest if you (ie: The people posting in it) make it one.
-Kevin

Touchez.

Though, in order to continue this charade, I'd have to ask this question: why does trouble (and flame wars) seem to follow Rollo wherever he goes? Is he the unluckiest poster in the world? Or is he perhaps fanning the flames and building these pyres himself because of the content of his posts, like that nice bit of conjecture he just made up about Nvidia owning 3/4 of the "top" of the market (arbitrarily assigned... Who knows if the 6800GT/Ultra is in that category, of if that's just the 7800 series vs the X850XT PE). He stalwartly proclaimed that ATI was only getting such high percentages because they were selling $1 chips to catch up.

Kevin, if that's not flame bait, then what is?

While Rollo doesn't post the least controversial topics by any means, there seems to be quite a group of people who follow him around and twist his posts or crap his threads therein starting the war.

-Kevin

 

[KeepItRed]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: KeepItRed
Here's some Missfire for you Rollo.

Ok you linked to BF2 benchmarks. What are you trying to prove.

It's a link to a whole section of benchmarks. Rollo's acting like Crossfire is the worst thing that ever happened, even thought it is competitive.

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

While Rollo doesn't post the least controversial topics by any means, there seems to be quite a group of people who follow him around and twist his posts or crap his threads therein starting the war.

-Kevin

No kevin you are totally wrong, but loyal of you to defend your teamate. At least has some honour. Lets see in the R580 thread

LOL

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Proposed specs of unavailable products!

Whack whack whack!

Now was that parody or jocular or just honest opionion expressed in a strong way? In my opinion was placed there for only one reason - to get people angry and start a flame war.

Edit: We need a mod.

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
While Rollo doesn't post the least controversial topics by any means, there seems to be quite a group of people who follow him around and twist his posts or crap his threads therein starting the war.

-Kevin

So we're all blaming the victim!!! Shame on us!

Kevin, no offense, but I don't buy it, and I think most other posters on here don't buy that defense either.

Btw, blaming low-post count users (many of whom actually have good stuff to say) is just another one of Rollo's tactics.

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
I agree that the underlying purpose for this post was to get some votes towards crossfire

-Kevin

Rollo's buddy admits blatant bias, cant get any more clear than that. :thumbsup:

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
While Rollo doesn't post the least controversial topics by any means, there seems to be quite a group of people who follow him around and twist his posts or crap his threads therein starting the war.

-Kevin

So we're all blaming the victim!!! Shame on us!

Kevin, no offense, but I don't buy it, and I think most other posters on here don't buy that defense either.

Btw, blaming low-post count users (many of whom actually have good stuff to say) is just another one of Rollo's tactics.

If you look in everyone of his threads, someone always has to crap on him. 6600GT benches, someone had to go in and start something. Like i said, a lot of time the thread is asking for that stuff, but you have to acknowledge that a fair amount of the time he has a very valid and interesting point to make.

-Kevin

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
I agree that the underlying purpose for this post was to get some votes towards crossfire

-Kevin

Rollo's buddy admits blatant bias, cant get any more clear than that. :thumbsup:

Everyone has some bias. All humans do.

-Kevin

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
I agree that the underlying purpose for this post was to get some votes towards crossfire

-Kevin

Rollo's buddy admits blatant bias, cant get any more clear than that. :thumbsup:

Everyone has some bias. All humans do.

-Kevin

But most of us do not create slanted threads with the intention of flaming anyone who disagrees.

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Everyone has some bias. All humans do.

-Kevin

But not everyone starts flamewars, besides I am still waiting for your answer. Was
quote:
LOL

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Proposed specs of unavailable products!

Whack whack whack!


parody?

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: KeepItRed

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: KeepItRed
Here's some Missfire for you Rollo.

Ok you linked to BF2 benchmarks. What are you trying to prove.

It's a link to a whole section of benchmarks. Rollo's acting like Crossfire is the worst thing that ever happened, even thought it is competitive.

The conclusion of the linked article
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/ati-crossfire_37.html

However, the today?s CrossFire incarnation has one more serious drawback than just a raw driver: the resolution limitation of 1600x1200 at 60Hz refresh rate, which is in fact a hardware flaw. This is most likely to prevent ATI RADEON X8 CrossFire from getting really popular.

The conclusion of ATs article
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2541&p=7

Despite exceptional performance at its target resolutions, we have to strongly recommend against the purchase of an X800/X850 series CrossFire card. (You also would probably need a motherboard upgrade for Crossfire anyway, making it even less attractive.)

The conclusion of Firing Squads article
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/ati...s_200_crossfire_performance/page11.asp

That?s right, the rumors you?ve been hearing about CrossFire being limited to 1600x1200 max resolution at a headache-inducing 60Hz are unfortunately true. How ATI?s engineers could have overlooked this limitation when developing CrossFire ? a product which doesn?t really shine until you crank up the screen resolutions ? is pretty baffling.

The conclusion of Hs review
http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=ODE1LDE2

However, it was useless; we were stuck at 60Hz in every 3D game with CrossFire enabled.
We are very disappointed in this limitation. With a CRT, 60Hz looks and feels bad.We see this limitation as a very serious problem with CrossFire.

Next is the dongle. Simply put, we dislike it.The second thing we are just not so happy about is the bandwidth provided by the dongle. We know that the internal SLI connector offers a lot of bandwidth between the video cards. However, the dongle causes the current resolution and refresh rate limit.

You will not be getting everything out of the video card that you paid for. That just doesn?t seem like a smart buy to me.

CrossFire is really not a solid value with the current generation of ATI video cards.

Why oh why did I put this "competitive" multi GPU solution onto my poll of spectacular failures?!?!?

The reviewers clearly love it, because we all know them telling us not to buy it means they like it, right? Errrrr.....yeah.

 

[Gamingphreek]

But most of us do not create slanted threads with the intention of flaming anyone who disagrees.

Neither does Rollo :roll:

But not everyone starts flamewars, besides I am still waiting for your answer. Was
quote:
LOL

Spank spank spank!

Proposed specs of unavailable products!

Whack whack whack!


parody?

That was not parody. I said the thread was parody. It seems that it is in retaliation for another post. Once again everyone has retaliated, yeah it is wrong; do you want me to tell everyone who does something like that that they were wrong or something?

-Kevin

 

[kmmatney]

You should include ATIs original "crossfire", the Rage Maxx in your poll. That one was pretty bad.

The worst video cards I've ever owned, in terms of being total failures, was the Voodoo Rage, and the Diamond Stealth II (Verite). Both cards were absolutely awful.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
LOL

Spank spank spank!

Proposed specs of unavailable products!

Whack whack whack!


parody?

That was not parody. I said the thread was parody. It seems that it is in retaliation for another post. Once again everyone has retaliated, yeah it is wrong; do you want me to tell everyone who does something like that that they were wrong or something?

-Kevin[/quote]


Actually that was meant to be parody Kevin. I was replying to 5150 Joker who had posted something about "Wake me when ATI stops paper launching products that aren't available for five months", and I was implying we're all like kids with pRon in regard to ATIs paper launches, glomming onto any hint of leaked info like this years SI Swimsuit Issue in a prison.

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

But most of us do not create slanted threads with the intention of flaming anyone who disagrees.

Neither does Rollo :roll:

:laugh:

Good one !