Most people think the U.S. crime rate is rising. They're wrong.

[Pens1566]

I believe the correct response to this is: "Fuck your feelings"

 

[HomerJS]

People don't feel the economy is doing well, hence why Republicans are leading in the polls.
People didn't feel crime go down in 1993, hence why Rudy Giuliani won in NYC.

Facts don't care about feelings, true, but people feel like this.

Did it occur to you people feel this way because they are being told to fell this way?

People hated on Colin Kapernick who did nothing more than peacefully protest. He did that before the games even aired (national anthem is over before the game goes on the air). However, Trump and certain media outlets kept telling people to hate this guy and they followed off the cliff like good little lemmings.

Meanwhile same outlets tell them to love the guy who trashes POWs and gold star families.

 

[Vic]

Did it occur to you people feel this way because they are being told to fell this way?

People hated on Colin Kapernick who did nothing more than peacefully protest. He did that before the games even aired (national anthem is over before the game goes on the air). However, Trump and certain media outlets kept telling people to hate this guy and they followed off the cliff like good little lemmings.

Meanwhile same outlets tell them to love the guy who trashes POWs and gold star families.

They hated on Kaep because his speech was that govt agents shouldn't extrajudicially execute black men in violation of their Constitutional rights.

 

[hal2kilo]

Depends on where you live. Car thefts and murder are definitely up in my neck of the woods. Even very locally. Hyundai and Kia, are helping to fuel the car thieves but I don't know why people are shooting people up left and right. Might be too many firearms on the loose, mixed with meth and fentanyl.

 

[fskimospy]

They hated on Kaep because his speech was that govt agents shouldn't extrajudicially execute black men in violation of their Constitutional rights.

They hated Kaep because the right hates black people protesting, period.

People might say that's an unfair generalization but if that's the case it should be easy to point to any widespread protest by black people that conservatives supported.

 

[GettyRoad]

Did it occur to you people feel this way because they are being told to fell this way?

People hated on Colin Kapernick who did nothing more than peacefully protest. He did that before the games even aired (national anthem is over before the game goes on the air). However, Trump and certain media outlets kept telling people to hate this guy and they followed off the cliff like good little lemmings.

Meanwhile same outlets tell them to love the guy who trashes POWs and gold star families.

Crime went down under Mayor David Dinkins, the first Black NYC mayor. Crime peaked in 1990 and dropped since 1991, but people didn't feel it in '93, hence Giuliani winning and winning again in '97.
It's how people feel.
And it's not only white conservatives/moderates in Staten Island and Queens that elected Rudy, it was white liberals like Bloomberg, etc.

Crime in New York City - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

1990	2245[232][note 2]
1991	2154[232]​
1992	1995[232]​
1993	1946[232]​

 

[HomerJS]

Crime went down under Mayor David Dinkins, the first Black NYC mayor. Crime peaked in 1990 and dropped since 1991, but people didn't feel it in '93, hence Giuliani winning and winning again in '97.
It's how people feel.
And it's not only white conservatives/moderates in Staten Island and Queens that elected Rudy, it was white liberals like Bloomberg, etc.

Crime in New York City - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

1990	2245[232][note 2]
1991	2154[232]​
1992	1995[232]​
1993	1946[232]​

Why did so many people hate Kapernick? The basis for his protests were wrong? He was endangering lives by his protest?

Or were people just being told to hate him?

 

[GettyRoad]

Why did so many people hate Kapernick? The basis for his protests were wrong? He was endangering lives by his protest?

Or were people just being told to hate him?

Coach Vermeil, Boomer Esiason, etc. did not like that he brought the US flag into it. Vermeil agreed that there is racism in policing and it is wrong, but why bring up the flag? What does the flag have to do with it? U.S. flag is seen as a symbol of America.

 

[EduCat]

I live in Chicago and robberies are up over 100% since last year, 2023 was pretty intense around me.

 

[fskimospy]

I live in Chicago and robberies are up over 100% since last year, 2023 was pretty intense around me.

Not according to the Chicago PD, who I imagine would know.

Shootings, Homicides in Chicago Drop 13% in 2023 and Returned to Pre-Pandemic Levels, But Violence Numbers Remain Among Highest in Recent Decades

There were 617 homicides and 2,450 shootings across Chicago throughout 2023, according to Chicago Police Department data, with both totals hitting their lowest marks since 2019.

news.wttw.com

According to them robberies went up 23%, which is still bad, but nowhere near over 100%. Shootings dropped by 17% and homicides dropped by 13%.

 

[brycejones]

Coach Vermeil, Boomer Esiason, etc. did not like that he brought the US flag into it. Vermeil agreed that there is racism in policing and it is wrong, but why bring up the flag? What does the flag have to do with it? U.S. flag is seen as a symbol of America.

It's totally weird that a group of people who feel attacked in their own country would bring a symbol that country into their protests. I guess it's different when you live in Russia right mister Foreign Minister @GettyRoad?

 

[JD50]

Coach Vermeil, Boomer Esiason, etc. did not like that he brought the US flag into it. Vermeil agreed that there is racism in policing and it is wrong, but why bring up the flag? What does the flag have to do with it? U.S. flag is seen as a symbol of America.

What about Dan Marino, Andy Reid, or Tom Brady? What are their thoughts on politics? Let's ask Buck Showalter while we're at it. Any other random athletes or coaches we should look to for our political views?

 

[brycejones]

What about Dan Marino, Andy Reid, or Tom Brady? What are their thoughts on politics? Let's ask Buck Showalter while we're at it. Any other random athletes or coaches we should look to for our political views?

Not just about the police, since they are athletes we should also get our medical advice from them. Dr. Aaron Rodgers will see you now.

 

[woolfe9998]

I live in Chicago and robberies are up over 100% since last year, 2023 was pretty intense around me.

See Gettyroad, it isn't just people's feels. People also make up statistics to support their feels.

 

[JD50]

This dudes obsession with Boomer Esiason is one of the strangest things I've seen this forum in uhhh.... almost 19 years (wtf how have I been here that long?). Almost as strange as that one dude who'd type the ' character instead of the letter "o"

 

[brycejones]

This dudes obsession with Boomer Esiason is one of the strangest things I've seen this forum in uhhh.... almost 19 years (wtf how have I been here that long?). Almost as strange as that one dude who'd type the ' character instead of the letter "o"

Must have had some weird connection with Boomer when @GettyRoad road was growing up in whatever country they did (not the US).

 

[Vic]

Coach Vermeil, Boomer Esiason, etc. did not like that he brought the US flag into it. Vermeil agreed that there is racism in policing and it is wrong, but why bring up the flag? What does the flag have to do with it? U.S. flag is seen as a symbol of America.

And why should we take those complaints seriously coming from people who interject the flag into every single thing they do politically?
No, they were just mad that black people get to use the flag to make political statements too. Because in truth they support that racism in policing and believe that it is essential in law enforcement. Which is also why they and the media are pushing a "crime wave" as the aftermath of police not being able to get away with murdering black people.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

San Antonio is so much safer than it was in the 80s and 90s. I remember we had ETGs, Blood Stone Villain, and West Side Varrio constantly in shit in the 90s. Had a friend killed by a guy from Altadena Blocc because his friend threw up another Crip set in an ABC neighborhood. Knew another dude gunned down and made quadriplegic because a car rolled by and were trying to kill his Latin King brother. Was at the park by my house playing basketball and had to run and hide behind the metal support beams when some Ambrose rolled by guns drawn because they wanted to kill my friend (luckily no shots fired). Used to hear gunshots from that park all the time and it would freak my friends from other neighborhoods out when they came over and would hear someone shooting the place up with an Uzi haha. Nowadays that neighborhood is calm and the only shooting I can remember anywhere around in the last 5 years or so was when the cops killed a little kid, like 6 or 7 sitting in his living room because they got trigger happy on an auto theft suspect.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

To be completely honest, no, you cannot fully trust statistics put out by PDs. There is a very long history of them skewing, altering, reclassifying, or just outright omitting certain things.

 

[Fenixgoon]

To be completely honest, no, you cannot fully trust statistics put out by PDs. There is a very long history of them skewing, altering, reclassifying, or just outright omitting certain things.

Like the number of people they kill each year?

 

[GettyRoad]

What about Dan Marino, Andy Reid, or Tom Brady? What are their thoughts on politics? Let's ask Buck Showalter while we're at it. Any other random athletes or coaches we should look to for our political views?

Kaepernick had his views, so why not? Why should only Kap or LeBron have their views solidified and not Showalter, etc.?

Ironically, when Showalter was the Orioles manager, the Freddie Gray protests happened and he did sympathize with the Baltimore residents, other white coaches would not have done the same, especially hockey's John Tortorella.

“You know, I’ve never been black, okay?” Showalter said. “So I don’t know — I can’t put myself — I’ve never faced the challenges that they face, okay? So I understand the emotion, but I don’t — it’s a pet peeve of mine when somebody says, well, you know, ‘why don’t they do this, why doesn’t somebody do that.’ You have never been black, okay? So just slow down a little bit.”

Baltimore Orioles Manager: ‘I’ve Never Been Black,’ Never Faced Those ‘Challenges’

After the Baltimore Orioles and Chicago White Sox played a game in front of an empty Camden Yards on Wednesday, Orioles manager Buck Showalter made some comments about race relations that many have praised.

www.mediaite.com

 

[alien42]

Crime went down under Mayor David Dinkins, the first Black NYC mayor. Crime peaked in 1990 and dropped since 1991, but people didn't feel it in '93, hence Giuliani winning and winning again in '97.
It's how people feel.
And it's not only white conservatives/moderates in Staten Island and Queens that elected Rudy, it was white liberals like Bloomberg, etc.

Crime in New York City - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

1990	2245[232][note 2]
1991	2154[232]​
1992	1995[232]​
1993	1946[232]​

Bloomberg was a Republican mayor. And here I thought you were the expert on all things NYC. 😂

 

[manly]

I used to be able to find the exact numbers and years, but less able to now.

Detroit's homicide rate in the 70s used to be routinely in the 7-900 range. More recently, 3-500 is common.

Don't quote me on those numbers, but they are as I recall them.


Recent articles:

Detroit records 252 homicides in 2023, lowest since 1966 - The Detroit News​

2 days ago Detroit — The city recorded 252 homicides last year — its lowest total since 1966 — while nonfatal shootings declined for the fourth straight year, according to preliminary statistics released...

Detroit homicide numbers hit record low: Here's why - ClickOnDetroit​

Dec 5, 2023 Homicides, shootings, carjackings down in 2023. Detroit Police Cruiser (WDIV) DETROIT - The number of certain violent crimes has significantly dropped in Detroit this year. In fact, some of the ...


Population dropped significantly for a while, but has begun to rebound.

Absolutely terrible example to choose. Detroit's population is 1/3 of its peak.
OTOH most American big cities are a lot safer than they were 30 years ago.

 

[GettyRoad]

This dudes obsession with Boomer Esiason is one of the strangest things I've seen this forum in uhhh.... almost 19 years (wtf how have I been here that long?). Almost as strange as that one dude who'd type the ' character instead of the letter "o"

Esiason is the voice of white middle class Americans, especially white Long Islanders who have family members that are NYPD officers and work in inner cities in Queens and Brooklyn, Boomer spoke what a lot of them say in their suburban homes.

 

[GettyRoad]

Bloomberg was a Republican mayor. And here I thought you were the expert on all things NYC. 😂

Bloomberg ran as a Republican, but he was not ideologically Republican, neither was Rudy. Rudy was conservative on crime and budgets, but he was moderate on everything else. Rudy was pro sanctuary city, etc.

A hardcore conservative can't win citywide, they have to be moderate like Koch, Giuliani and Bloomberg were and Adams ran as.

Dinkins and de Blasio were center-left and the NYPD, FDNY and the business class and local media didn't like them.