Most people think the U.S. crime rate is rising. They're wrong.

[GettyRoad]

Didn't Trump win an election telling people America is not the greatest country in the world?

Trump felt America lost it's "greatness" in the 2000s and 2010s, hence him running to "restore" the greatness.

 

[fskimospy]

Trump felt America lost it's "greatness" in the 2000s and 2010s, hence him running to "restore" the greatness.

lol no he didn’t.

 

[APU_Fusion]

lol no he didn’t.

Trump felt America lost it's "greatness" in the 2000s and 2010s, hence him running to "restore" the greatness.

Isn’t it amazing how when President Obama supposedly questioned America’s unfettered exceptionalism when running for President by the Right he was lambasted by the ”Right-wing” while Trump was lauded by the Right for saying America sucked (which is the implication of MAGA) just 8 years later. Gee comrade, wonder what the difference was.

Laughable hypocrisy of the right

 

[GettyRoad]

Rightists see themselves as all kinds of things they aren't. It doesn't mean anything to say they are something if they can't prove it with their actions.

And guess what? Just like you don't speak for all of "white middle class America", Michael Jordan doesn't speak for all of African American athletes and celebrities. The fact that he never spoke up when in the spotlight, does NOT mean nobody else has the right to.

You're right, it DOES go both ways. Why can't you see that until you're trying to shut someone else down?

You've been one-sided through all of this back and forth. According to you, it's not okay for Kap to kneel, or for LeBron to speak out (because you disagree with the method or what they're saying), but it's fine for Boomer to speak out or for Jordan not to (because you're fine with what they are/aren't saying).

Lastly, why did Ali and Kaepernik need to garner "support" from white conservatives? Why should they give a shit? They aren't politicians, and they don't have reason to care about attracting viewers. They're going to get paid either way.

Some really poor and conflicting arguments from you, as well as a lot of projection.

I agree with athletes having the right to speak and not to speak. Athletes have the right not to speak on anything, like Michael Jordan.

Jordan knew that white middle class America technically made him rich. Look at the vast crowds of people that go to NBA games today, they're majority white middle class white boys. Even in inner city Bronx, where the Yankees play, who goes and ventures there to watch predominately minorities play? Middle class White boys. Jordan did not want to alienate these folks by talking about racial and sociological issues. He wasn't a Dennis Rodman, Isaiah Thomas, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar or a Magic Johnson, who were more comfortable doing that stuff.

Jordan said once about "Republicans wear sneakers too".

I didn't have a problem with Kap or Ali. I'm just saying they would get blowback from the white right and even Black conservatives like Sage Steele, Larry Elder, etc.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Isn’t it amazing how when President Obama supposedly questioned America’s unfettered exceptionalism when running for President by the Right he was lambasted by the ”Right-wing” while Trump was lauded by the Right for saying America sucked (which is the implication of MAGA) just 8 years later. Gee comrade, wonder what the difference was.

Laughable hypocrisy of the right

yeah...something doesn't feel white about this whole scenario...

 

[fskimospy]

yeah...something doesn't feel white about this whole scenario...

Once you realize the right in America has no fixed principles this makes a lot more sense.

Housing is my favorite one. At least when democrats defend excessive regulation they are being consistent (but wrong). Republicans want to deregulate everything except when it comes to one of the biggest things. Then they are giant fans of big government.

 

[HomerJS]

Trump felt America lost it's "greatness" in the 2000s and 2010s, hence him running to "restore" the greatness.

Know when the right wing thought America became not great? The election of Barack Obama

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Baltimore celebrates historic 20% drop in homicides even as gun violence remains high​

Baltimore recorded less than 300 homicides last year for the first time in nearly a decade. The 20% decrease in killings ends a surge that began in 2015 following Freddie Gray’s death from injuries sustained in police custody, which sparked civil unrest and fractured public trust.



Saw another similar story about another infamous east coast city, but I can't find it again now.

 

[GettyRoad]

Know when the right wing thought America became not great? The election of Barack Obama

A lot of factors other than Obama's 08 election, probably NAFTA, Roe in 1973, etc.

 

[Indus]

A lot of factors other than Obama's 08 election, probably NAFTA, Roe in 1973, etc.

Those same right wingers loved NAFTA and wanted it.. Reagan and Bush did the heavy lifting and the selling.

FFS remember why Perot ran?? That sucking sound you hear is jobs going to Mexico.

And it was against the right wing, not against Clinton.. Clinton just got lucky he split the vote and Clinton won by default.

 

[alien42]

Those same right wingers loved NAFTA and wanted it.. Reagan and Bush did the heavy lifting and the selling.

FFS remember why Perot ran?? That sucking sound you hear is jobs going to Mexico.

And it was against the right wing, not again Clinton.. Clinton just got lucky he split the vote and Clinton won by default.

Not to mention that Roe v Wade was a 6-3 Republican majority. You know, before most justices were complete partisan hacks

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

The orange rind hit the fan in '08 when 'one of them' dared get elected to the 'White' House.

 

[nakedfrog]

A lot of factors other than Obama's 08 election, probably NAFTA, Roe in 1973, etc.

You don't know what the hell you're talking about.

 

[GettyRoad]

Those same right wingers loved NAFTA and wanted it.. Reagan and Bush did the heavy lifting and the selling.

FFS remember why Perot ran?? That sucking sound you hear is jobs going to Mexico.

And it was against the right wing, not against Clinton.. Clinton just got lucky he split the vote and Clinton won by default.

The populist right is what Buchanan, Trump, Hawley appeals to.

They are a lot of factors.

 

[GettyRoad]

You don't know what the hell you're talking about.

It's the fact. Race was not the only factor, if it was, those rightists would not have biracial family members and people like Sage Steele would not be around.....there are a lot of factors other than racial discontent with a Black/Biracial president.

 

[nakedfrog]

It's the fact. Race was not the only factor, if it was, those rightists would not have biracial family members and people like Sage Steele would not be around.....there are a lot of factors other than racial discontent with a Black/Biracial president.

I don't think you know what a "fact" is.

 

[woolfe9998]

Once you realize the right in America has no fixed principles this makes a lot more sense.

Housing is my favorite one. At least when democrats defend excessive regulation they are being consistent (but wrong). Republicans want to deregulate everything except when it comes to one of the biggest things. Then they are giant fans of big government.

Yup, those dipshits on the Orange County Board of Supervisors who are trying to ban LGBT parades and demonstrations in the county, they campaigned on an anti-housing platform. WTF? Newsom just signed legislation cutting regulations and red tape related to new home construction and these "conservatives" oppose that?

The only "fixed principle" of American conservatism is that they seem to dislike certain groups of people. All else is pliable.

 

[pete6032]

Some boomer family members who live in Chicago keep telling me about the "riots" they are having. They're talking about the Floyd protests....from 2020. They also tell me that crime in the city is worse than the 90s which is laughably objectively false.

Obviously ardent Fox News watchers as well.

You are correct, that is false. Crime in Chicago is not as bad as the 1990s. And I dislike the suburban fatalists just as much as everyone else. But it is important to acknowledge that some crime, especially violent crime, is up overall. In fact in 2023 violent crime rates were the highest they had been since 2011. Places like Humboldt Park, West Town, Logan Square all have robbery rates up more than 100% compared to 2019-2020, and in the Lower West Side, robberies were up 100% over one year. The City also has a huge problem filling positions in the last couple of years and are operating with about 10% fewer positions than budgeted for.

Here's what's happening with crime in Chicago in 2023

Robberies, car thefts, smash-and-grabs. CBS Chicago took a dive into all the reported crimes in the city to give a sense of what's going on in the city this year.

www.cbsnews.com

Chicago Police Department Staffing Steady During Johnson’s First 100 Days: Data

The size of the Chicago Police Department is essentially unchanged since Mayor Brandon Johnson took office 100 days ago. There are 12,363 employees, including 11,722 sworn officers.

news.wttw.com

 

[GettyRoad]

You are correct, that is false. Crime in Chicago is not as bad as the 1990s. And I dislike the suburban fatalists just as much as everyone else. But it is important to acknowledge that some crime, especially violent crime, is up overall. In fact in 2023 violent crime rates were the highest they had been since 2011. Places like Humboldt Park, West Town, Logan Square all have robbery rates up more than 100% compared to 2019-2020, and in the Lower West Side, robberies were up 100% over one year. The City also has a huge problem filling positions in the last couple of years and are operating with about 10% fewer positions than budgeted for.

Here's what's happening with crime in Chicago in 2023

Robberies, car thefts, smash-and-grabs. CBS Chicago took a dive into all the reported crimes in the city to give a sense of what's going on in the city this year.

www.cbsnews.com

Chicago Police Department Staffing Steady During Johnson’s First 100 Days: Data

The size of the Chicago Police Department is essentially unchanged since Mayor Brandon Johnson took office 100 days ago. There are 12,363 employees, including 11,722 sworn officers.

news.wttw.com

Suburban white fatalists are the key voting bloc in America. They do not like crime, crime in urban areas are the reason why they fled there in the first place. Yes, they may have family members that are urban cops and come home to the quiet predominately white suburbs to rest, they may go to Knicks, Nets, Bulls, Rangers, Lakers, Yankees games or the Broadway play or the Chicago night life to enjoy the city life that the souless suburbs don't provide.

 

[HomerJS]

Suburban white fatalists are the key voting bloc in America. They do not like crime, crime in urban areas are the reason why they fled there in the first place. Yes, they may have family members that are urban cops and come home to the quiet predominately white suburbs to rest, they may go to Knicks, Nets, Bulls, Rangers, Lakers, Yankees games or the Broadway play or the Chicago night life to enjoy the city life that the souless suburbs don't provide.

Suburban whites who fled the cities to escape crime and are not experiencing crime are complaining about crime in the big cities that is going down?

Makes sense.

 

[woolfe9998]

Suburban whites who fled the cities to escape crime and are not experiencing crime are complaining about crime in the big cities that is going down?

Makes sense.

At least they sometimes go to the cities. Think about all those hayseeds in places like rural Alabama who pretend to give a shit about crime in Chicago when half of them haven't gone more than 50 miles from the trailer they live in their whole lives. The biggest problem with those places is they finally gave them electricity early to mid last century, and now they seem to use it primarily to watch Foxnews 24/7.

 

[pete6032]

Suburban whites who fled the cities to escape crime and are not experiencing crime are complaining about crime in the big cities that is going down?

Makes sense.

Many people in Suburban Chicago (outside of Cook County) have an unhealthy obsession with crime rates in Chicago.

 

[HomerJS]

Bottom line is the right-wing version of crime is a lie.

Righties would rather go with the lie vs the truth. Not just about crime but a lot more things.

And you wonder why this country is in trouble??

 

[Pohemi]

Every oddly specific group of white people are "key voting blocs". They need to be pandered to!



It's also strange how often you mention white people going to sporting events (and which teams they frequent), like it's proof of the absence of racism, or how they vote. Very odd.

 

[GettyRoad]

Suburban whites who fled the cities to escape crime and are not experiencing crime are complaining about crime in the big cities that is going down?

Makes sense.

They currently work in the cities or attend Eagles, Yankee and Mets games.