Moscow Mitch appears to be malfunctioning

[eelw]

Surely democrats have better candidates, younger candidates, capable candidates in the party who could not only run in 2024 but would actually win in 2024.
It should never come down to a case of either Joe, or no one.

Lol no they don’t. They can’t put up Harris on top of the ticket. As much dumb Americans aren’t ready for a female POTUS, no way they’ll accept a gay one anytime soon. If Californians were ready to recall Newsom, unsure if rest of country would want such a lefty.

 

[Drach]

Lol no they don’t. They can’t put up Harris on top of the ticket. As much dumb Americans aren’t ready for a female POTUS, no way they’ll accept a gay one anytime soon. If Californians were ready to recall Newsom, unsure if rest of country would want such a lefty.

Recalling Newsom was an immediate dead end. He is VERY popular in Californication.

*edit, damn auto correct*

 

[WelshBloke]

I vote in every single election for the lesser evil, provided that lesser evil has a chance of winning. Every one. In much the same fashion, I pick the best route home through rush hour traffic because I have to get home--none of them may be pleasant, but it has to be done, so I go with the least-painful one.

I love this analogy and will be stealing it!

"You don't like either route home from work so I assume that you'll be sleeping in the carpark for the weekend then?"

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

I'd vote for a half eaten sandwich for president over any GOP candidate. The sandwich at least wouldn't make the country worse.

Unless it was Head Cheese which is kind of the same as the GOP.

 

[MrSquished]

Lol no they don’t. They can’t put up Harris on top of the ticket. As much dumb Americans aren’t ready for a female POTUS, no way they’ll accept a gay one anytime soon. If Californians were ready to recall Newsom, unsure if rest of country would want such a lefty.

Sure they do they should have had Whitmer from Michigan and newsome from California and let a couple other people come out of the woodwork and have a primary. And show you can be a dynamic party, but the Dems generally always fail at that. It's a shame that Democrats did what they did but we are where we are.

 

[Linux23]

the onion's got the scoop on what happened

Doctors Confirm McConnell Had A Stroke After Imagining A Happy Black Person

WASHINGTON—Having determined the cause of an episode in which the minority leader froze midway through remarks to the press and then remained silent for 19 seconds, doctors confirmed Thursday that Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY) had suffered a stroke after imagining a happy Black person. “We ran...

www.theonion.com

We’ve asked Tim Scott to avoid the Senate floor for now unless he’s needed for a vote, in which case he is to appear downtrodden and upset throughout the roll call

LMFAO.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

After the Trump admin the Onion should have pivoted hard to deeply introspective investigative journalism that really forced Americans to look at ourselves in a mirror.

That would have been really funny.

 

[sportage]

Lol no they don’t. They can’t put up Harris on top of the ticket. As much dumb Americans aren’t ready for a female POTUS, no way they’ll accept a gay one anytime soon. If Californians were ready to recall Newsom, unsure if rest of country would want such a lefty.

LOL They do.
Dem US House leader Rep. Hakeem Jeffries would be a great candidate. He speaks the language of the middle class AND he has a head on his shoulders meaning... he knows what needs to be done for the American people. I don't want to compare him to Obama, but I think he lays it out better than Obama. If only Jeffries would learn to control his hand waving while speaking.

Hakeem Jeffries, and there are many others inside and outside of Capitol Hill. And yes, I think Newsom would do quite well, certainly better than crybaby Trump or deranged DeSantis. You'd be surprised how well a liberal could do against a Trump or DeSantis. Obama was a liberal and the country grew to love Obama. Twice.

 

[kage69]

Lol no they don’t. They can’t put up Harris on top of the ticket. As much dumb Americans aren’t ready for a female POTUS, no way they’ll accept a gay one anytime soon. If Californians were ready to recall Newsom, unsure if rest of country would want such a lefty.

Wasn't that recall less about Newsom and more about the surprisingly low bar there is to start a recall in a state that size?

Newsom is popular. Seems to get more popular when he slaps that Floridian meatball around too.

 

[manly]

Recalling Newsom was an immediate dead end. He is VERY popular in Californication.

*edit, damn auto correct*

Among Cali voters, Newsom polls just a few percentage points ahead of Joe Biden in approval:

https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/gavin-newsom-hits-high-approval-17759693.php

In a different poll, Californians by a large majority do NOT want Newsom to run for President in 2024. Given that even Democratic voters are lukewarm about Biden running for reelection, this is at least a little weird. If not Biden or Newsom, who do Californians want?

IMHO a California Democrat who was formerly the mayor of SF has no shot at the national level. Too many voters will be closed minded or believe stereotypes they've seen on cable news for too long. I have no idea who Democrats will coalesce around in 2028, but I believe Buttigieg has a better shot than Gov. Whitmer.

Btw it's a load of crock to say Democrats "generally always fail" at being a dynamic party. Who were the last two Democrats elected President before Joe Biden? A couple of old farts named Clinton and Obama...
If anyone thinks they are a better candidate than Biden, they can run against him now instead of waiting 4 more years.

 

[MrSquished]

Among Cali voters, Newsom polls just a few percentage points ahead of Joe Biden in approval:

https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/gavin-newsom-hits-high-approval-17759693.php

In a different poll, Californians by a large majority do NOT want Newsom to run for President in 2024. Given that even Democratic voters are lukewarm about Biden running for reelection, this is at least a little weird. If not Biden or Newsom, who do Californians want?

IMHO a California Democrat who was formerly the mayor of SF has no shot at the national level. Too many voters will be closed minded or believe stereotypes they've seen on cable news for too long. I have no idea who Democrats will coalesce around in 2028, but I believe Buttigieg has a better shot than Gov. Whitmer.

Btw it's a load of crock to say Democrats "generally always fail" at being a dynamic party. Who were the last two Democrats elected President before Joe Biden? A couple of old farts named Clinton and Obama...
If anyone thinks they are a better candidate than Biden, they can run against him now instead of waiting 4 more years.

Obama came about despite the Democrats wanting to anoint Hillary Clinton. That says nothing about the Democrats being dynamic. Bill was once in ages, That was 31 years ago.

The Democrats should have had a primary this year, nobody's going to oppose Biden after he declared, that would be stupid.

Right now in the threat of GQP fascism the Democrats have shown absolutely no ability to be dynamic and fight back properly.

 

[manly]

Obama came about despite the Democrats wanting to anoint Hillary Clinton. That says nothing about the Democrats being dynamic. Bill was once in ages, That was 31 years ago.

The Democrats should have had a primary this year, nobody's going to oppose Biden after he declared, that would be stupid.

Right now in the threat of GQP fascism the Democrats have shown absolutely no ability to be dynamic and fight back properly.

The Democratic Party isn't just the insiders and party machinery, but also the voters that ultimately choose its elected reps. That's democracy. It's just funny that 2 of the last 3 Dem. Presidents were 40-something guys without much national profile, one the first AA, but you flatly stated Dems always fail at dynamism.
Meanwhile the Grand Old Party is known for ALWAYS elevating the "next man up" (based on seniority) as its nominee for POTUS, except of course for DJT.

I'm pretty sure primary elections are being conducted in 2024 where we pick our nominee. Although you're right there is little sense to challenge a sitting President, if Biden is as weak as you and so many people feel, then shouldn't a "dynamic" candidate run and prove it? Remember going into 2020's cycle, Biden was not even the pick of many voters or pundits... until after South Carolina. With Biden's approval rating mired in the low 40s, if there's another Barack Obama lying around in waiting, shouldn't they have a real shot at this thing?

 

[Drach]

I concur.

Fuckin been there and did that. 45 minutes later I told my wife I need to be in bed right now.
All I saw for the next 15 minutes was serious spinning. Edibles are unpredictable .

 

[MrSquished]

The Democratic Party isn't just the insiders and party machinery, but also the voters that ultimately choose its elected reps. That's democracy. It's just funny that 2 of the last 3 Dem. Presidents were 40-something guys without much national profile, one the first AA, but you flatly stated Dems always fail at dynamism.
Meanwhile the Grand Old Party is known for ALWAYS elevating the "next man up" (based on seniority) as its nominee for POTUS, except of course for DJT.

I'm pretty sure primary elections are being conducted in 2024 where we pick our nominee. Although you're right there is little sense to challenge a sitting President, if Biden is as weak as you and so many people feel, then shouldn't a "dynamic" candidate run and prove it? Remember going into 2020's cycle, Biden was not even the pick of many voters or pundits... until after South Carolina. With Biden's approval rating mired in the low 40s, if there's another Barack Obama lying around in waiting, shouldn't they have a real shot at this thing?

Obama was despite the democratic party. I'm not sure why you're including the average voters here because they are not part of the Democratic party machine.

But if you want to include the voters let's. The fact is among registered Democrats Biden running again is very unpopular.

No Democrat is going to run against Biden after he's declared because it would weaken his candidacy even more against the Republicans. I think ultimately Democrats want to defeat the Republicans, and primarying Biden is the best way to weaken the entire party. You repeating that so matter of factly is just silly.

If people can't see that letting an incumbent like Biden at his age and with his numbers, even among his own party, be the automatic selection is not being dynamic then I don't know what to tell you.

You should get a job fundraising for the Democratic machine. You'd fit right in.

 

[manly]

Obama was despite the democratic party. I'm not sure why you're including the average voters here because they are not part of the Democratic party machine.

But if you want to include the voters let's. The fact is among registered Democrats Biden running again is very unpopular.

No Democrat is going to run against Biden after he's declared because it would weaken his candidacy even more against the Republicans. I think ultimately Democrats want to defeat the Republicans, and primarying Biden is the best way to weaken the entire party. You repeating that so matter of factly is just silly.

If people can't see that letting an incumbent like Biden at his age and with his numbers, even among his own party, be the automatic selection is not being dynamic then I don't know what to tell you.

You should get a job fundraising for the Democratic machine. You'd fit right in.

I'll run for some school board to effect national change, but you first. Then, we can surely hand pick the next POTUS. Not sure why you had to get salty, but whatever. We generally have similar political viewpoints. I've said in other threads that I'm not confident in 2024, but there's a long way to go. Biden's approval ratings speak for themselves, and generally you can't win reelection with a number below 45%. He's still polling decently in a hypothetical rematch vs Trump, so no sense in smashing the panic button today.

If the thesis is that Biden is too old, unpopular and not a good candidate, then a "dynamic" one should have a shot at beating him, no? Basically, you're upset he's running again, so that's not really the Party's lack of dynamism is it? Did the party insiders force him to run? You're arguing both sides, that Biden isn't good enough for you but that nobody else should throw their hat into the ring either. My point is that if there is a strong candidate out there to defeat DJT (or Ron Death Santis), I'll give them a real look. I already said I don't like Newsom or Whitmer's chances in a general election, and I have nothing against them! You rightly commented that Whitmer could do well in the critical Rust Belt.

Biden hasn't been perfect, but his administration has generally executed well prior to Dems narrowly losing the House. There is a large disconnect between where the economy stands and how the electorate views the Biden administration. That is the challenge that must be solved to win reelection. Obviously we're both concerned about this, but I'm a voter and not a political strategist. It's maddening how hard it is to convince the electorate of what seems obvious to you or me, but that's partly because the Dems are a big tent party while the GOP basically caters to easily fooled rubes. Unfortunately for us, you can mind fuck a lot of people with culture war nonsense (layered on top of "voodoo" economics) these days. If the messaging problem was easily solvable, we would have done it by now and winning presidential elections wouldn't be hard at all. I'm not trying to change your mind about Biden; and I recognize you've already said you will strongly support the Democratic nominee next year.

In a vacuum, I'd prefer not to have an octogenarian running for President but it is what is it. For me, his health and vitality are more important and I believe he's still in good shape (for his age). We won't know for sure until next summer. He takes way better care of himself than the Donald, who is just a few years younger but nobody gives Trump so much shit about age because his base actively supports his sexual indiscretions. If voters are genuinely concerned about a POTUS having a heart attack on the job, they should be very nervous about electing Trump. As an aside, although Trump isn't the sitting President, he's basically the GOP "incumbent." Yet nobody is whining that RDS or Tim Scott et al running weakens him for the general. Instead, it's all wild mocking of RDS's lackluster campaign.

 

[eelw]

, and generally you can't win reelection with a number below 45%.

Approval ratings mean squat in todays partisan politics, when you get the other party with over 75% disapproval just because it’s not my president.

And the fear mongering that even Dems don’t want Biden to run again. The point is, they’ll vote for a potato before any of these current R candidates. Sure Biden isn’t the ideal choice, but still a no brainer if he’s the only option.

 

[ivwshane]

Approval ratings mean squat in todays partisan politics, when you get the other party with over 75% disapproval just because it’s not my president.

And the fear mongering that even Dems don’t want Biden to run again. The point is, they’ll vote for a potato before any of these current R candidates. Sure Biden isn’t the ideal choice, but still a no brainer if he’s the only option.

The problem isn’t whether or not they’ll vote for Biden, the problem is whether or not he can get people to turn out to vote.

 

[hal2kilo]

Sure they do they should have had Whitmer from Michigan and newsome from California and let a couple other people come out of the woodwork and have a primary. And show you can be a dynamic party, but the Dems generally always fail at that. It's a shame that Democrats did what they did but we are where we are.

History. When a Dem president is primary challenged, the Dems loose.

 

[UNCjigga]

Hmmm…McConnell says he will continue to serve as minority leader through the current Congress, which ends on 1/3/2025. That means he’s 100% stepping down before he’s up for re-election in 2026. KY legislature literally just passed a law saying Beshear would have to choose a replacement from a list provided by the incumbent Senator’s party (of course limiting the power a Democrat can wield when they win public office—Beshear could ignore it and let courts ultimately decide though.)

 

[MrSquished]

History. When a Dem president is primary challenged, the Dems loose.

I never said he should be primary challenged ever. Not once. He just shouldn't have ran

 

[Charmonium]

You know what mitch's episode reminded me of? A voodoo doll. Ever seen a horror movie where the witch sews the doll's mouth shut?

 

[gothuevos]

This recent episode (and Feinstein) will only serve to make voters even more squeamish about re-electing Biden.

IMO he needs to replace Kamala with a better VP candidate because there's probably a decent chance he won't finish a second term, if he even wins at all. The voters need a better backup plan than VP Harris who may be the only person in the country more unpopular than both Biden AND Trump.

 

[Roger Wilco]

This recent episode (and Feinstein) will only serve to make voters even more squeamish about re-electing Biden.

IMO he needs to replace Kamala with a better VP candidate because there's probably a decent chance he won't finish a second term, if he even wins at all. The voters need a better backup plan than VP Harris who may be the only person in the country more unpopular than both Biden AND Trump.

There are many many people in this country far less popular than Biden/Trump.

 

[nakedfrog]

Came across this today

 

[Charmonium]

Came across this today

Note - there are actually 2 funnies there when you click. Both are very good.

edit - nope, never mind. Not sure how I got the other one.