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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: bobbybe01
Nevertheless, I have a hard time understanding what you're defining as a "cult." It could be possible that any religion, any Christian denomination, could be a "cult." Even the church in its younger age in the New Testament, could very well have be defined as a "cult" by the Jews, Romans, and Pagans.
They did consider Christ to be a "cult" leader, in exactly the same way we figure "cults" today. That's why they killed Christ.
To me, saying the word "cult" in a derogatory manner, or calling some religion a "cult", tells me that you don't believe in freedom of religion. End of story, 'cause you obviously don't.

Why is it wrong that Mormons don't believe in ingesting alcohol or caffeine? To his each his own, I admire them for their healthy lifestyles. I just happen to like my occasional beer. :)

many many protestants call them cults cause well they don't want people to think of Mormans to be Christian for one raeson on another. When they try to tell me about Jesus I just feel like the masses of atheists here at AT to stop flapping their lips. I do admre their lifestyle choices though and service to communities.

Freedom of religion is an interesting concept as I have seen many here use varying definitions.
 

Lazy8s

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What blew me away the most about mormonism is first, they don't call each other mormons for the most part they call eachother saints. The term mormon came from (obviously) the Book of Mormon but it's not like me calling my famile Presbyterians. But what REALLY got me was how dang close to every other religion it is. My first bishop explained it to me beautifuly. He said:

If religions were cups, most religions have a really big cup of something. Catholics have a really big confession cup. Baptists have a really big fire and damnation cup. Presbyterians have a really big acceptance and love thy neighbor cup. The mormons however, have a lot of medium size cups. They have a medium confession cup, a medium love thy neighbor cup, a medium service cup, about the only non-medium cup they have if fire and damnation and it's a small cup.
 

bobbybe01

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Originally posted by: Lazy8s
What blew me away the most about mormonism is first, they don't call each other mormons for the most part they call eachother saints. The term mormon came from (obviously) the Book of Mormon but it's not like me calling my famile Presbyterians. But what REALLY got me was how dang close to every other religion it is. My first bishop explained it to me beautifuly. He said:

If religions were cups, most religions have a really big cup of something. Catholics have a really big confession cup. Baptists have a really big fire and damnation cup. Presbyterians have a really big acceptance and love thy neighbor cup. The mormons however, have a lot of medium size cups. They have a medium confession cup, a medium love thy neighbor cup, a medium service cup, about the only non-medium cup they have if fire and damnation and it's a small cup.
From the official LDS website:

The official name of the Church is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. This full name was given by revelation from God to Joseph Smith in 1838.

While the term "Mormon Church" has long been publicly applied to the Church as a nickname, it is not an authorized title, and the Church discourages its use.

The term "Mormon" is correctly used when applied to the Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ, which is named for a prophet of ancient America who compiled that record. "Mormon" is also acceptable when used in a title such as "Mormon Tabernacle Choir" or "Mormon Trail," or as an adjective in such terms as "Mormon pioneers."

The term "Mormon" is not objectionable when used to refer to a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, though "Latter-day Saint" is preferred.


Also reminds me of an official statement made by the First Presidency in the LDS Church:

The great religious leaders of the wrold such as Mohommed, Confucius, and the Reformers, as well as philosophers including Socrates, Plato, and others, received a portion of God's light. Moral truths were given to them by God to enlighten whole nations and bring a higher level of understanding to individuals...

Consistent with these truths, we believe that God has given and will give to all people sufficient knowledge to help them on their way to eternal salvation, either in this life or in the life to come.
 

bobbybe01

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Like....how Joseph Smith said in the D&C which temple Jesus is going to set up the final rule in (I think it's in Louisiana but I could be wrong) even though in Revelations it says any man who claims to know anything about the end of the world is a liar and false prophet.
You're close :) It'll be in Missouri (D&C 84:1-5; 57:1-3). Remember, however, that the Jews will be gathered in Jersusalem and a temple will be built there.

You're right about no one knowing when the end will be, Matthew 24:36 makes it clear (no man knoweth...but [the] Father only).
 

Lazy8s

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Originally posted by: bobbybe01
Like....how Joseph Smith said in the D&C which temple Jesus is going to set up the final rule in (I think it's in Louisiana but I could be wrong) even though in Revelations it says any man who claims to know anything about the end of the world is a liar and false prophet.
You're close :) It'll be in Missouri (D&C 84:1-5; 57:1-3). Remember, however, that the Jews will be gathered in Jersusalem and a temple will be built there.

You're right about no one knowing when the end will be, Matthew 24:36 makes it clear (no man knoweth...but [the] Father only).

Bingo I knew I saw it somewhere. Well for what it's worth you have pretty good scripture mastery. Kudos.
 

cquark

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The Mormon church also does not believe in such not-in-the-Bible garbage doctrines like Original Sin and Infant Damnation, to their unending credit.

To be fair, it's worth noting that the church predates the New Testament.
 

GRIFFIN1

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Under the Banner of Heaven : A Story of Violent Faith

Joseph Smith, the guy that wrote the mormon bible was a convicted con man. He claimed to be able to find burried treasure and gold. People paid him money to find gold for them, but he never found anything. Eventually, someone decided to press charges against him, and he was convicted of being a con man.

The Mormon bible is supposed to be translated from a golden book that Joseph Smith found burried in the ground. The book wasn't written in english, so Joseph Smith used a peep stone to translate it. He would place the peep stone (small rock) in his hat. Then he would put his face in the hat to block out the light. The peep stone would then translate the writing in the gold book for him.

I got this information from the book I linked to.
 

bobbybe01

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Originally posted by: GRIFFIN1
Under the Banner of Heaven : A Story of Violent Faith

Joseph Smith, the guy that wrote the mormon bible was a convicted con man. He claimed to be able to find burried treasure and gold. People paid him money to find gold for them, but he never found anything. Eventually, someone decided to press charges against him, and he was convicted of being a con man.

The Mormon bible is supposed to be translated from a golden book that Joseph Smith found burried in the ground. The book wasn't written in english, so Joseph Smith used a peep stone to translate it. He would place the peep stone (small rock) in his hat. Then he would put his face in the hat to block out the light. The peep stone would then translate the writing in the gold book for him.

I got this information from the book I linked to.
Refuted: Here's an review about the book "Under The Banner of Heaven", in PDF format: Here

As far as Joseph Smith being a money digger and con man, read about that: here, but keep reading I think there are good sections following that one...but it's all on the same page.

For some info about the translation process of the gold plates, read about it here (although I am not fault-finding what you said, because it is correct, although he didn't use a peeping stone for the entire translation process or other instruments).

Thanks for playing. :)
 

TheSiege

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Living in Utah For the past 8 years I can tell you about the Church in an unbiased opinion

The foundation of the Church is the base of its Religion, it was founded by Joseph Smith in palmyra New York, where he received what the Church calls His First Vision. He was basically told that all churchs on earth were incorrect and that he would be a modern day prophet for the rebuilding of the true church of God, Mormonism. As transcribed from golden plates received to him by the angel Moroni. The book of Mormon is a collection of writtings that happen in the Americas during Jesus' time in the east, It was composed by a dude named Mormon, and he chose what to put in and what to omit.

The Church is centralized around Family first and foremost, it the most important thing. And every true beleiving mormons goal in life is to have an "Eternal Family" this means to find a worthy mate and get married in an LDS temple where you will be sealed to that person for all time and eternity as well as to the children you have in that marriage.

The church is a very social one, that maybe reason why is does so well in converts.
Every able young man at the age of 19 is expected to go on a mission, this is taught to them since the day they were born, at any given time there is about 55,000 missionaries out in the field, including sisters missionaries which are less common, there is also missionaries that are retired but as a married couple only (currently ex-football coach Lavell Edwards and his wife are doing this) , but they mainly do service and do not prostilate, which means go door to door.
Men recieve what they call the Priesthood, which is Deacon, Aaronic, and Melkazdik (SP?). going from young to old.

This church empasized marriage at a young age and starting a family as soon as possible, this church is very involved in each members life, every member is pretty much given a job in the church, a job they call a "calling" which varies from being a bishop of a ward (name for section of area where members attend church) to being in charge of accounting for tithing.

Sunday includes three hours of churh, Sacrament meeting, where you take the sacrament to remind you of the convenents you made with the lord, sunday school, and preisthood for men, and releif society for women. Monday are called Family Home Evening where you are encouraged to spend at least an hour as a family relating to church. Basically teaching a principle from the church like (abstaining from alcohol) and then a fun activity, for students such as myself you get together as a ward, and do the same thing. On wed or thur usually is what they called young men or young womens, this is where they get together with the children of their age group at the church and have activities basically scouts.

to be a worthy member of this church you need to pay a 10 percent tithe to church on your gross income to receive all the benifits from God and to be a temple worthy person.

once you are found worthy, which includes more then thithing, such as, abstaining from sex, drugs, alcohol and such, you can enter the temple which is what all mormons strive to do. now you can get two kinds of temple recommends from your local bishop, the first one lets you do service in the temple, such as baptisms for the dead, basically you get baptized in the name of someone you know, so that they have a chance to accept the church in the after life.

or you can get what they called your endowments out. You make higher comments to the lord, i dont know much about this, because i havent had it done. Men have to have it done to go ona mission at age 19, if they dont go on a mission they will have it done when they get married if at all.

same for women, but they are encouraged to do it by age 24 married or not
after this ceremony takes place, they were garments, which is underclothing, the bottoms are typically all the same, for men and women, they are like boxer briefs, you were this in place of underware. the tops vary from looking like a standard white t-shirt to meshlike shirt with a U-shape collar, both pieces of clothing are to ramain close to your body, this means women put their bras on over it, each piece has certime religious symbols on them also, and when throwing away garments you need to cut these symbols off and burn them.

to an outsider this religion looks very weird and cultish, many people have a hard time with it
to a mormon this is life and this is what life is all about
they are Christians
they use the King James Bible
the Book Of Mormon
The Pearl Of Great Price
And Doctirines and Convenants


this is pretty much the downlow on the chuch, there is alot more to it, such as the setup of it, the high counselers, the witnesses of Christ, and the modern living day prophet Gordon B. Hinckley if you have any other questions let me know
sorry for the spelling and grammer


Siege
 

TheSiege

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Originally posted by: GRIFFIN1
Under the Banner of Heaven : A Story of Violent Faith

Joseph Smith, the guy that wrote the mormon bible was a convicted con man. He claimed to be able to find burried treasure and gold. People paid him money to find gold for them, but he never found anything. Eventually, someone decided to press charges against him, and he was convicted of being a con man.

The Mormon bible is supposed to be translated from a golden book that Joseph Smith found burried in the ground. The book wasn't written in english, so Joseph Smith used a peep stone to translate it. He would place the peep stone (small rock) in his hat. Then he would put his face in the hat to block out the light. The peep stone would then translate the writing in the gold book for him.

I got this information from the book I linked to.

in all fairness Jesus was considered weird and a con is his tine as well
 

bobbybe01

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TheSiege,

Nice write up there, buddy. Just FYI, deacon is part of the Aaronic priesthood (no biggie, just to let you know). Thanks for the thought out information.
 

TheSiege

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Originally posted by: bobbybe01
TheSiege,

Nice write up there, buddy. Just FYI, deacon is part of the Aaronic priesthood (no biggie, just to let you know). Thanks for the thought out information.

eh, you win some, you lose some
 

Atomicus

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May 20, 2004
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OK, let's all convert to Mormon and have celestial sex as we watch over our own private planets.
Almost as tempting and never-gonna-happen type of situation as Best Buy offering free big screen HDTVs.

"Celestial sex", a phrase I must've heard countless times by ministers and pastors when asked about Mormonism. Catholics and Christians are in somewhat of a symbiotic relationship, but why is it that branches of Christianity don't want Mormonism to be associated with Christianity?

I don't recall the Bible saying that the kingdom of God is really just a stage where we all get God-like powers
 

TheSiege

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Originally posted by: Atomicus
OK, let's all convert to Mormon and have celestial sex as we watch over our own private planets.
Almost as tempting and never-gonna-happen type of situation as Best Buy offering free big screen HDTVs

how about we all be ignorant

i dont know where you got celestrial sex from, but i doubt its a credible source
and every person has a chance to be god like if they are worthy
people can be so freakin dumb sometimes
almost all religion is based on good things and to bash something like that because you are too stupid to understand it is retarded
 

TheSiege

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Originally posted by: Atomicus
OK, let's all convert to Mormon and have celestial sex as we watch over our own private planets.
Almost as tempting and never-gonna-happen type of situation as Best Buy offering free big screen HDTVs.

"Celestial sex", a phrase I must've heard countless times by ministers and pastors when asked about Mormonism. Catholics and Christians are in somewhat of a symbiotic relationship, but why is it that branches of Christianity don't want Mormonism to be associated with Christianity?

I don't recall the Bible saying that the kingdom of God is really just a stage where we all get God-like powers


why not try asking a Mormon bishop i think he would know better then your pastors
 

Atomicus

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Originally posted by: TheSiege
Originally posted by: Atomicus
OK, let's all convert to Mormon and have celestial sex as we watch over our own private planets.
Almost as tempting and never-gonna-happen type of situation as Best Buy offering free big screen HDTVs

how about we all be ignorant

i dont know where you got celestrial sex from, but i doubt its a credible source
and every person has a chance to be god like if they are worthy
people can be so freakin dumb sometimes
almost all religion is based on good things and to bash something like that because you are too stupid to understand it is retarded

Ever heard of seminary school for people wanting to become ministers? It's called comparative analysis between the Christian faith and other faiths.

Every person has a change to be god like if they are worthy? How absurd is the statement you just posted? So you're telling me that IF I became a god if I was worthy enough, with my awesome omnipotent powers, I'll just break the rule where it says all who are worthy cannot become gods. This YOUCANBEAGODTOO preys on people and their vanity, no wonder people fall for this faith so easily.
I mean, come on! Who wants to follow the Christian road where you have to be humble and take the road less travelled just to get to heaven to serve God, am I right?
 

Amorphus

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Mar 31, 2003
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Originally posted by: TheSiege
Living in Utah For the past 8 years I can tell you about the Church in an unbiased opinion

The foundation of the Church is the base of its Religion, it was founded by Joseph Smith in palmyra New York, where he received what the Church calls His First Vision. He was basically told that all churchs on earth were incorrect and that he would be a modern day prophet for the rebuilding of the true church of God, Mormonism. As transcribed from golden plates received to him by the angel Moroni. The book of Mormon is a collection of writtings that happen in the Americas during Jesus' time in the east, It was composed by a dude named Mormon, and he chose what to put in and what to omit.

"I saw God. Believe me, I swear" :confused:

The Church is centralized around Family first and foremost, it the most important thing. And every true beleiving mormons goal in life is to have an "Eternal Family" this means to find a worthy mate and get married in an LDS temple where you will be sealed to that person for all time and eternity as well as to the children you have in that marriage.

So salvation is earned via works and not faith? Why is marriage required for special salvation? Jesus never said a word about this.

The church is a very social one, that maybe reason why is does so well in converts.
Every able young man at the age of 19 is expected to go on a mission, this is taught to them since the day they were born, at any given time there is about 55,000 missionaries out in the field, including sisters missionaries which are less common, there is also missionaries that are retired but as a married couple only (currently ex-football coach Lavell Edwards and his wife are doing this) , but they mainly do service and do not prostilate, which means go door to door.
Men recieve what they call the Priesthood, which is Deacon, Aaronic, and Melkazdik (SP?). going from young to old.

This church empasized marriage at a young age and starting a family as soon as possible, this church is very involved in each members life, every member is pretty much given a job in the church, a job they call a "calling" which varies from being a bishop of a ward (name for section of area where members attend church) to being in charge of accounting for tithing.

Sunday includes three hours of churh, Sacrament meeting, where you take the sacrament to remind you of the convenents you made with the lord, sunday school, and preisthood for men, and releif society for women. Monday are called Family Home Evening where you are encouraged to spend at least an hour as a family relating to church. Basically teaching a principle from the church like (abstaining from alcohol) and then a fun activity, for students such as myself you get together as a ward, and do the same thing. On wed or thur usually is what they called young men or young womens, this is where they get together with the children of their age group at the church and have activities basically scouts.

So the church has lots of playtime.

On second thought, though, yes, this is a valid thing to include, since the OP wanted to know about Mormonism as a whole.


to be a worthy member of this church you need to pay a 10 percent tithe to church on your gross income to receive all the benifits from God and to be a temple worthy person.

"Pay us money, or you will not enter Heaven". Sounds like the Catholic Church in the Dark Ages to me, pal.

once you are found worthy, which includes more then thithing, such as, abstaining from sex, drugs, alcohol and such, you can enter the temple which is what all mormons strive to do. now you can get two kinds of temple recommends from your local bishop, the first one lets you do service in the temple, such as baptisms for the dead, basically you get baptized in the name of someone you know, so that they have a chance to accept the church in the after life.

Baptizing in the name of someone dead? You mean like Catholic indulgences?

or you can get what they called your endowments out. You make higher comments to the lord, i dont know much about this, because i havent had it done. Men have to have it done to go ona mission at age 19, if they dont go on a mission they will have it done when they get married if at all.

same for women, but they are encouraged to do it by age 24 married or not
after this ceremony takes place, they were garments, which is underclothing, the bottoms are typically all the same, for men and women, they are like boxer briefs, you were this in place of underware. the tops vary from looking like a standard white t-shirt to meshlike shirt with a U-shape collar, both pieces of clothing are to ramain close to your body, this means women put their bras on over it, each piece has certime religious symbols on them also, and when throwing away garments you need to cut these symbols off and burn them.

Symbols are but symbols - the Bible states this explicitly.

to an outsider this religion looks very weird and cultish, many people have a hard time with it
to a mormon this is life and this is what life is all about
they are Christians by loose definition
they use the King James Bible
the Book Of Mormon which conflicts with the Bible on many points...
The Pearl Of Great Price a self-help book, if you will
And Doctirines and Convenants which, as stated already, has some.. inconsistencies... in it


this is pretty much the downlow on the chuch, there is alot more to it, such as the setup of it, the high counselers, the witnesses of Christ, and the modern living day prophet Gordon B. Hinckley if you have any other questions let me know
sorry for the spelling and grammer


Siege
 

TheSiege

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Originally posted by: Atomicus
Originally posted by: TheSiege
Originally posted by: Atomicus
OK, let's all convert to Mormon and have celestial sex as we watch over our own private planets.
Almost as tempting and never-gonna-happen type of situation as Best Buy offering free big screen HDTVs

how about we all be ignorant

i dont know where you got celestrial sex from, but i doubt its a credible source
and every person has a chance to be god like if they are worthy
people can be so freakin dumb sometimes
almost all religion is based on good things and to bash something like that because you are too stupid to understand it is retarded

Ever heard of seminary school for people wanting to become ministers? It's called comparative analysis between the Christian faith and other faiths.

Every person has a change to be god like if they are worthy? How absurd is the statement you just posted? So you're telling me that IF I became a god if I was worthy enough, with my awesome omnipotent powers, I'll just break the rule where it says all who are worthy cannot become gods. This YOUCANBEAGODTOO preys on people and their vanity, no wonder people fall for this faith so easily.
I mean, come on! Who wants to follow the Christian road where you have to be humble and take the road less travelled just to get to heaven to serve God, am I right?


i highly doubt that school is unbiased, and i said god like, there is a big difference
think and read on your own for once and not what other people tell you

why do you dislike mormons so much? i hope that hatered makes you feel good inside
 

UTmtnbiker

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Just as a correction, not really adding anything to the actual discussion... :)

LDS hospital is not owned by the LDS church. It's owned by IHC (Intermountain Health Care) and does not have any official connection to the LDS church.

Umm... yeah, the LDS Hospital in SLC is one of the best and most modern hospitals in the world... and church-owned. They do transplants and all. I seem to recall that one president of the Mormon church had open-heart surgery even a few years back, and that the surgeon who performed the operation was another one of the higher church leaders.
 

Atomicus

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Originally posted by: TheSiege
Originally posted by: Atomicus
Originally posted by: TheSiege
Originally posted by: Atomicus
OK, let's all convert to Mormon and have celestial sex as we watch over our own private planets.
Almost as tempting and never-gonna-happen type of situation as Best Buy offering free big screen HDTVs

how about we all be ignorant

i dont know where you got celestrial sex from, but i doubt its a credible source
and every person has a chance to be god like if they are worthy
people can be so freakin dumb sometimes
almost all religion is based on good things and to bash something like that because you are too stupid to understand it is retarded

Ever heard of seminary school for people wanting to become ministers? It's called comparative analysis between the Christian faith and other faiths.

Every person has a change to be god like if they are worthy? How absurd is the statement you just posted? So you're telling me that IF I became a god if I was worthy enough, with my awesome omnipotent powers, I'll just break the rule where it says all who are worthy cannot become gods. This YOUCANBEAGODTOO preys on people and their vanity, no wonder people fall for this faith so easily.
I mean, come on! Who wants to follow the Christian road where you have to be humble and take the road less travelled just to get to heaven to serve God, am I right?


i highly doubt that school is unbiased, and i said god like, there is a big difference
think and read on your own for once and not what other people tell you

why do you dislike mormons so much? i hope that hatered makes you feel good inside

Did God ever promise god-like powers? Or did he say you serve him in the kingdom of God?
 

TheSiege

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Originally posted by: Amorphus
Originally posted by: TheSiege
Living in Utah For the past 8 years I can tell you about the Church in an unbiased opinion

The foundation of the Church is the base of its Religion, it was founded by Joseph Smith in palmyra New York, where he received what the Church calls His First Vision. He was basically told that all churchs on earth were incorrect and that he would be a modern day prophet for the rebuilding of the true church of God, Mormonism. As transcribed from golden plates received to him by the angel Moroni. The book of Mormon is a collection of writtings that happen in the Americas during Jesus' time in the east, It was composed by a dude named Mormon, and he chose what to put in and what to omit.

"I saw God. Believe me, I swear" :confused:

The Church is centralized around Family first and foremost, it the most important thing. And every true beleiving mormons goal in life is to have an "Eternal Family" this means to find a worthy mate and get married in an LDS temple where you will be sealed to that person for all time and eternity as well as to the children you have in that marriage.

So salvation is earned via works and not faith? Why is marriage required for special salvation? Jesus never said a word about this.

The church is a very social one, that maybe reason why is does so well in converts.
Every able young man at the age of 19 is expected to go on a mission, this is taught to them since the day they were born, at any given time there is about 55,000 missionaries out in the field, including sisters missionaries which are less common, there is also missionaries that are retired but as a married couple only (currently ex-football coach Lavell Edwards and his wife are doing this) , but they mainly do service and do not prostilate, which means go door to door.
Men recieve what they call the Priesthood, which is Deacon, Aaronic, and Melkazdik (SP?). going from young to old.

This church empasized marriage at a young age and starting a family as soon as possible, this church is very involved in each members life, every member is pretty much given a job in the church, a job they call a "calling" which varies from being a bishop of a ward (name for section of area where members attend church) to being in charge of accounting for tithing.

Sunday includes three hours of churh, Sacrament meeting, where you take the sacrament to remind you of the convenents you made with the lord, sunday school, and preisthood for men, and releif society for women. Monday are called Family Home Evening where you are encouraged to spend at least an hour as a family relating to church. Basically teaching a principle from the church like (abstaining from alcohol) and then a fun activity, for students such as myself you get together as a ward, and do the same thing. On wed or thur usually is what they called young men or young womens, this is where they get together with the children of their age group at the church and have activities basically scouts.

So the church has lots of playtime.

On second thought, though, yes, this is a valid thing to include, since the OP wanted to know about Mormonism as a whole.


to be a worthy member of this church you need to pay a 10 percent tithe to church on your gross income to receive all the benifits from God and to be a temple worthy person.

"Pay us money, or you will not enter Heaven". Sounds like the Catholic Church in the Dark Ages to me, pal.

once you are found worthy, which includes more then thithing, such as, abstaining from sex, drugs, alcohol and such, you can enter the temple which is what all mormons strive to do. now you can get two kinds of temple recommends from your local bishop, the first one lets you do service in the temple, such as baptisms for the dead, basically you get baptized in the name of someone you know, so that they have a chance to accept the church in the after life.

Baptizing in the name of someone dead? You mean like Catholic indulgences?

or you can get what they called your endowments out. You make higher comments to the lord, i dont know much about this, because i havent had it done. Men have to have it done to go ona mission at age 19, if they dont go on a mission they will have it done when they get married if at all.

same for women, but they are encouraged to do it by age 24 married or not
after this ceremony takes place, they were garments, which is underclothing, the bottoms are typically all the same, for men and women, they are like boxer briefs, you were this in place of underware. the tops vary from looking like a standard white t-shirt to meshlike shirt with a U-shape collar, both pieces of clothing are to ramain close to your body, this means women put their bras on over it, each piece has certime religious symbols on them also, and when throwing away garments you need to cut these symbols off and burn them.

Symbols are but symbols - the Bible states this explicitly.

to an outsider this religion looks very weird and cultish, many people have a hard time with it
to a mormon this is life and this is what life is all about
they are Christians by loose definition
they use the King James Bible
the Book Of Mormon which conflicts with the Bible on many points...
The Pearl Of Great Price a self-help book, if you will
And Doctirines and Convenants which, as stated already, has some.. inconsistencies... in it


this is pretty much the downlow on the chuch, there is alot more to it, such as the setup of it, the high counselers, the witnesses of Christ, and the modern living day prophet Gordon B. Hinckley if you have any other questions let me know
sorry for the spelling and grammer


Siege

im not a mormon, im telling you what i know, i tell you one thing tho
the mormon church doesnt condone the bashing of other faiths
it gave $100,000 to help the kirshna temple to be built
i live in a area where people help one another, where people are nice
and clean, and morality is a high priority and i like that, and i dont think that is bad

this is a thread about information and what he wants to know about mormons, its not about how you feel about
the mormons, frankly no one gives a damn about your one sided opinon, try to stay on topic
 

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1. If Gods are individuals who have passed through mortality and have progressed to Godhood, how has one person of the Trinity (the Holy Spirit) attained Godhood without getting a body? (See Acts 5:3,4)

2. If Gods are individuals who have passed through an earth life to attain Godhood, how is it that one person of the Trinity (Jesus Christ) was God before He received a body or passed through earth life? (Matt. 1:23 and Hebrews 10:5)

3. If the Book of Mormon really contains the fullness of the Gospel, why does it not teach the doctrine of ?eternal progression?? (See D&C 20:8,9)

4. God said, ?Is there a God beside me? Yea, there is no God; I know not any?. How can there be Gods who are Elohim?s ancestors? Surely an all-knowing God would know this and wouldn?t speak falsehoods. (See Isa. 44:8 and Journal of Discourses Vol. 1, pg. 123)

5. How can any men ever become Gods when the Bible says, ?Before me there was no god formed, neither shall there be after me?? (Isaiah 43:10)

6. If Adam is the ?only God with whom we have to do?, did Adam create himself? (Journal of Discourses Vol. 1, pg. 50, 51)

7. Joseph Smith stated that without the ordinances and authority of the priesthood no man can see the face of God and live (D & C 84:21, 22). He also said that he saw God in 1820 (Joseph Smith 2:17). Joseph Smith, however, never received any priesthood until 1829 (D&C 13). How did he see God and survive? In which was he in error: his revelation in D & C 84:21, 22 or his experience in the grove?

8. If a spirit is a being without a body (See Luke 24:39), why do Mormons teach that God the Father has a body of flesh and bones? (See John 4:24)

9. If the Father is Elohim and Jesus is Jehovah (as the Mormons teach), how does a Mormon explain Deuteronomy 6:4, which in the Hebrew says, ?Hear, O Israel: Jehovah our Elohim is one Jehovah??

10. If the Book of Mormon contains the fullness of the Gospel, why doesn?t it teach that God was once a man?

11. If Mormonism is the restored church, which is based upon the Bible, why are Mormon leaders so quick to state that the Bible is ?translated wrong? when faced with some conflict between the Bible and Mormonism?

12. If Jesus was conceived as a result of a physical union between God and Mary, how was Jesus born of a virgin? (Journal of Discourses Vol. 1, page 50)

13. Why did Christ not return in 1891 as Joseph Smith predicted? (History of the Church, Vol. 2 page 182).

14. Journal of Discourses Vol. 2, page 210 says Jesus was being married to Mary and Martha in Cana. Why then was he INVITED to his own wedding? (John 2:1,2)

15. Why does the Mormon church teach that there is no eternal hell when the Book of Mormon teaches that there is? (I Nephi 14:3, II Ne. 9:16;28: 21-23, Mosiah 3:25, Alma 34:35, Heleman 6:28 and 3:25,26).

16. How can Mormons teach that the repentant thief was not saved when the Book of Mormon states that Paradise is where the righteous go? (Luke 23:43, Alma 40:12, 16)

17. How did Nephi with a few men on a new continent build a temple like Solomon?s while Solomon needed 163,300 workmen and seven years to build his temple? (See I Kings 5:13-18 and II Nephi 5:15-17)

18. If the book of Mormon is true, why hasn?t a valid geography been established for the book?

19. Why was Joseph Smith still preaching against polygamy in October 1843 after he got his revelation in July 1843 commanding the practice of polygamy? (D & C 132; and History of the Church Vol. 6, page 46, or Teachings of the Prophet, page 324)

20. If Lehi left Jerusalem before 600 B.C., how did he learn about synagogues? (See II Nephi 26:26)

21. If the Book of Mormon is true, why do Indians fail to become white when they become Mormons? (II Nephi 30:6 ? prior to 1981 revision)

22. What kind of chariots did the Nephites have in 90 B.C. some 1500 years before the introduction of the wheel on the Western Hemisphere? (Alma 18:9)

23. How do Mormons account for the word ?church? in the Book of Mormon, about 600 B.C., which was centuries before the beginning of the Church on the day of Pentecost? (I Nephi 4:26)

24. How do Mormons account for the italicized words in the King James Version (indicating their absence in the Hebrew and Greek) being found in the Book of Mormon? (A comparison of Mosiah 14 and Isaiah 53 will provide at least 13 examples)

25. How did the French word ?adieu? get into the Book of Mormon? (Jacob 7:27)

26. Was it right or wrong for Solomon to have many wives? (See Jacob 2:24; D & C 132:38,39) Which is it?

27. If polygamy was a provision for increasing population rapidly, why did God give Adam only one wife?

28. D&C 129:4, 5 says, ?When a messenger comes saying he has a message from God, offer him your hand and request him to shake hands with you. If he be an angel he will do so, and you will feel his hand.? How can this test distinguish between an angel of God and a Jehovah?s Witness missionary?or a Mormon Elder.

29. If Joseph Smith was a true prophet, why did he fail to realize that ?Elias? is the N.T. form of the name ?Elijah?? (D & C 110:12,13 and 1 Kings 17:1 and James 5:17) How could Elijah (Elias) have appeared to Joseph Smith in the Kirkland Temple as two different people?

30. If children have no sins until they are eight years old, why are they baptized at age eight to wash away non-existent sins? (See Moroni 8:8)

31. How could the Garden of Eden have been in Missouri when the Pearl of Great Price declares that it was in the vicinity of Assyria and had the Euphrates and Hiddekel Rivers in it? (See P of GP Moses 3:14 and D&C 116 and 117; Genesis 2:8-15)

32. Brigham Young said, ?The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy?. (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 11, page 269) Why did the Mormons yield to the pressure of the government and stop practicing polygamy?

33. Heber C. Kimball stated, ?We are th people of Deseret, she shall be no more Utah: we will have our own name?. Why did this prophecy fail? (J of D. Vol. 5, page 161)

34. How did Joseph Smith carry home the golden plates of the Book of Mormon, and how did the witnesses lift them so easily? (They weighted about 230 lbs. Gold, with a density of 19.3 weighs 1204.7 lbs. Per cubic foot. The plates were 7? x 8? by about 6?. See Articles of Faith, by Talmage, page 262, 34th Ed.)

35. When Christ died, did darkness cover the land for three days of for three hours? (See Luke 23:44 and III Nephi 8:19, 23)

36. If the Book of Mormon was translated by the gift and power of God, why have the Mormons changed it? (There have been over 3,000 changes in the Book of Mormon, exclusive of punctuation changes)

37. If God speaks through a prophet, why do Mormons vote on whether or not to receive and authorize it?

38. It has been established that the ?Sensen? manuscript was simply a common Egyptian burial papyrus. Why do the Mormons still accept the Book of Abraham which was translated from that manuscript?

39. Why is it that no other writings have been found in the language of ?Reformed Egyptian?, the supposed language of the Book of Mormon plates? Is there evidence that such a language really existed?

40. Joseph Smith said that there are men living on the moon who dress like Quakers and live to be nearly 1000 years old. Since he was wrong about the moon, is it safe to trust him regarding the way to heaven? (See The Young Woman?s Journal, Vol 3, pages 263, 264.)

41. Why do Mormons not study Hebrew and Greek so that they can intelligently discuss the accuracy of the translation of the Bible?

42. Joseph Smith prepared fourteen Articles of Faith. Why has the original No. 11 been omitted?

43. According to Hebrews 7:24, the Melchizedek Priesthood is not transferable. Why do Mormons pass it from one to another?

44. If Mormonism came as a revelation from God, why are the Mormon Temple Oaths almost identical to the oaths of the Masonic Lodge?

45. Why did the Nauvoo House not stand forever and ever? (D&C 124:56-60)

46. If genealogies are important, why does the New Testament tell Christians to avoid them? (I Timothy 1:4; Titus 3:9)

47. The Bible says, ?The blood of Jesus Christ cleanseth from all sin?. Why did Brigham Young say that there are some sins which can be atoned for only by the shedding of ones own blood.

48. God rejected the fig leaf aprons which Adam and Eve made. Why do Mormons memorialize the fall by using fig leaf aprons? (Gen. 3:21)

49. Why do Mormons insist that Ezekiel 37:15-22 is about two books instead of about two kingdoms as god Himself explained in verse 22?

50. If Acts 3:20, 21 is a prophecy about the restoration of Mormonism, why didn?t Jesus return in 1830?

51. Revelation 14:6,7 is part of the body of prophecy about the future Great Tribulation. How could that passage have been fulfilled by Moroni in 1830?

52. In light of Ezekiel 28:13-15 and Hebrews 1:5, how can Satan and Jesus be brothers (as the Mormons teach)? (note: Satan was created)

53. If no person ever receives the Holy Spirit before baptism or without the laying on of hands, how does a Mormon explain the case of Cornelius? (See Acts 10:44-47)

54. If baptism for the dead was a Christian ceremony, why did Paul use the pronoun ?they? rather than ?we? or ?ye?? Why did he exclude himself and other Christians when referring to it? (I Cor. 15:29)

55. Since the Bible says that a Bishop should be the husband of one wife, how can Mormons claim that polygamy is proper for New Testament Christians? (I Timothy 3:2)

56. Why does the Mormon church teach that the broad way leads to the Terrestrial Heaven when Jesus taught that it leads to destruction? (Matthew 7:13, 14)

57. Are you sincere enough about your personal salvation that you will carefully study the following Bible references to discover the Bible?s way to salvation?

John 10:9; I Corinthians 1:18; Ephesians 2:8-10; Colossians 1:12-14; Romans 4:8; I Peter 2:24; Acts 16:31; John 1:12; I John 5:12, 13; Romans 5:1 and Romans 8:1

58. Are you courageous enough to personally receive the Lord Jesus Christ into your heart and follow the truth regardless of ridicule, antagonism or persecution?

John 1:12; Col. 1:27, and Revelation 3:20
 

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here are some contradictions between the old and new testament so they must both be wrong

God creates animals and then man - Gen 1:25-26
God creates man and then the animals - Gen 2:18-19

Arpachshad's son was Shelah - Gen 11:12
Arpachshad's grandson was Shelah - Luke 3:35-36

Noah takes 7 pairs of each type of animal onto the ark - Gen 7:2-3
Noah takes one pair of animal onto the ark - Gen 6:19

Jacob's offspring in Egypt totalled 70 - Gen 46:26-27, Ex 1:5
Jacob's offspring in Egypt totalled 75 - Acts 7:14
Jacob was buried in a cave in Machpelah's field that was bought from Ephron the Hittite - Gen 50:13
Jacob was buried in a tomb at Shechem bought from the sons of Hamor - Acts 7:15-16

God forbids killing - Ex 20:13
God commands killing - Ex 32:27


and it goes on and on, the book of mormon was written because there needed to be a final word, to clear things up if you will