More Thoughts On "The Religion of Peace"

[Moonbeam]

Moonie...surely you know that you're looking through the glass darkly?

I know that what folk call knowing I call ignorance, and I know the saying 'through a glass darkly', but I do not know what you know when you use those words. What in plain English do you mean to ask me?

 

[Moonbeam]

Moonbeam can see exactly what he wants to. Such is the power of mind.

How do you see how I see? Isn't it the power of your mind? And isn't my whole point here that thought or mind, if you will, is empty rationalizations and the truth is to be had via feeling? So why do you call me the thinker when I am the one making the case antithetical to thought?

 

[Moonbeam]

The religious texts really aren't much different from one another. Rambling, incoherent, contradictory... they may once have made sense, but centuries of translations - each marred by possible ineptitude of the translator and his probable agenda - have minced them up. All we can truly go by is what current followers make of it. Unless, of course, their 'god' comes down here and has a chat with us and solves the contradictions in no uncertain terms :biggrin: I'm not holding my breath...

Holding your breath won't help, but you might look in your own heart. You won't find God anywhere else if not there. The eye with which you can see God is the same eye with which he can see you. To find God you need only find your own Being.

 

[DAGTA]

Read it a couple times. What would you like to say?

Then I call BS.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Attempts at drawing moral equivalence like has been done in this thread are weak. It's like comparing an angry tabby to an angry lion and saying 'See, they're both just angry cats.'

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I know that what folk call knowing I call ignorance, and I know the saying 'through a glass darkly', but I do not know what you know when you use those words. What in plain English do you mean to ask me?

Regardless of how enlightened we percieve ourselves to be...we will still have an incredibly limited knowledge of God, ourselves and others in this life. Thankfully God takes us broken as we are...and if we are willing to learn, we will learn...and if we are willing to love, we will love.

Perhaps you have won your battles and don't need to fight the 'good fight' any more. I cannot make that claim...I know what you're saying, yet your words do not help me...and you leave me wondering why you speak them.

 

[BoberFett]

I think you've misunderstood. I don't think ANY of the people that cheered on the abortion doc killer represent all christians. People are all different. There's even a range of opinions in that thread. Some christians cheer the killer on, some just are happy the doc is dead, some don't care, and some are outraged.

I believe the vast majority do not condone murdering abortion docs. Just as some muslims cheering 9/11 don't represent the majority. Their all different but most of them condemned the attacks. You can't generalize billions of people by the actions of a few. That's irrational.



Now I could throw out some childish name calling like you did, since you completely missed the point. But hey, how about we just act a like adults and cut out the trolling.

Are you brain dead?

There was mass outcry from Muslims of all level of authority against 9/11.

There were mass amounts of christians celebrating the abortion doc getting shot.

This was what you said. Now prove that second point. You are the troll here, you gutless worm.

 

[werepossum]

Let me know what nation helped to build Al'Queda...

Bullshit. I realize that to you rejecting Communism may be a mortal sin, but the USA merely helped empower Afghanistan to throw off the Soviet boot. That is not helping to build al Qaeda just because some of those people later turned against us, any more than France, in helping a fledgling United States, can legitimately be said to have helped build the Ku Klux Klan. Not everything your country is or does is worthy of hate no matter what the Daily Kos tells you.

 

[Moonbeam]

Doc Savage Fan: Regardless of how enlightened we perceive ourselves to be...we will still have an incredibly limited knowledge of God, ourselves and others in this life.

M: All that you can say with any certainty is that as far as you know your statement applies. You can't know the God consciousness of others. You place on yourself a needless limitation, in my opinion. You do not know what your potential is.

DSF: Thankfully God takes us broken as we are...and if we are willing to learn, we will learn...and if we are willing to love, we will love.

M: My turn to say these are only words that do not help me. I can't will willingness when I am unconscious of the factors in me that say no no no never again.

DSF: Perhaps you have won your battles and don't need to fight the 'good fight' any more.

M: I defeated the nothingness of absolute despair.

DSF: I cannot make that claim...I know what you're saying, yet your words do not help me...and you leave me wondering why you speak them.

M: Because there is victory in surrender. I won when I lost. Did you but suffer you would not suffer, some say Jesus said. Nobody can help you. There is no exit and no escape. There is no meaning.

 

[flavio]

Are you brain dead?

No, but you're a troll.

This was what you said. Now prove that second point. You are the troll here, you gutless worm.

I already did, but here's more examples...

http://carnalnation.com/content/7628/3/tweets-hate-crazy-right-twitters-about-murder-dr-tiller

http://www.politicususa.com/en/Tiller-Murder

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/archives/2009/05/rightbloggers_o_7.php

http://www.armyofgod.com/POCScottRoederIndexPage.html

http://forums.myspace.com/t/4761130.aspx?fuseaction=forums.viewthread

http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.misc/browse_thread/thread/49b134f9d1dfd51e?pli=1

http://www.cafepress.com/dd/34375402

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100401231528AAWCddr

Now go throw your childish tantrums somewhere else.

 

[BoberFett]

Those are mass amounts? You know when your mother told you that having an IQ of 78 was a massive score, she was just being nice.

 

[flavio]

Those are mass amounts? You know when your mother told you that having an IQ of 78 was a massive score, she was just being nice.

What is you're fucking point here exactly? There was obviously a bunch of people celebrating the abortion doc killing. You can't deny it anymore. How many examples do you need?

They don't represent all christians any more than people "dancing in the street" represent all muslims. Do you have something to say here or are you just a child troll?

You're going to have to come up with anything intelligent to say or it's going to be obvious that you're the latter.

 

[BoberFett]

Mass amounts not found. Go away, fool.

 

[flavio]

Mass amounts not found. Go away, fool.

Oh you're soooo cute. "I'll just ignore all this evidence and call you names like a little kid!".

Go away child troll. You just bury your head and sing "lalalalaallala". I gave you a bunch of examples and have nothing but a little tantrum in response.

Go troll somewhere else.

 

[BoberFett]

I suppose when the highest you can count is 10 (20 if you take off your shoes) that anything more than that probably does seem like a huge number.

 

[flavio]

I suppose when the highest you can count is 10 (20 if you take off your shoes) that anything more than that probably does seem like a huge number.

Address the issue you troll. Speak intelligent words. Otherwise just go away.

Come on man. Address the conversation. Do you have anything to say at all?

 

[Druidx]

Just wanted to say I enjoyed flavio's great example of self ownage.
1st he jumps all over Doc Savage for saying "A very large segment of Islam wants to see the annihilation of a nation." without backing it up. To only turn around an say "There was obviously a bunch of people celebrating the abortion doc killing."

Apparently, untold masses of people dancing in the street after 9-11 doesn't qualify for a "large segment" but a few 100 wacko's making anonymous post about Tiller is a "bunch of people"

If you're going to whine about my post I have a questions for you. Which percentage do you think is higher, the number of Muslims who want the annihilation of Israel or the percentage of wacko's Christians who celebrated the murder of Dr. Tiller?
Be honest if you can.

 

[Rainsford]

The difference is that Islam, by its very nature, fosters cultural immaturity. The lack of secular thinking is one of the most prominent examples. Islam in and of itself may not be completely to blame, but it certainly isn't helping.

As for the article, I can guarantee that if that article was the on front page world wide there would be a mass outcry from Christians of all sects and levels of authority. As opposed to 9/11, where people were dancing in the streets of the middle east. Is it a coincidence that the vast majority of these people were Muslim? Is it a coincidence that countries run by Islamic government are usually quite culturally backwards?

I think an Israeli officer put it nicely when defending racial profiling: "Not all Muslims are terrorists, but almost all terrorists are Muslim."

The problem is that the west is the center of the Christian world, which means we have a much better viewpoint into all parts of Christianity than we do into the Muslim world that we mostly hear about on the news. And beyond that, positive portrayal of Christianity (and negative portrayal of Islam) is what viewers and readers in the western world find most interesting, so that's what they tend to be most often presented with.

You use phrases like "vast majority", but the truth is that those of us in the west are rarely presented with a full view of Islam. Muslims showing up in the news NOT connected with terrorism is pretty rare. Your conclusion is that Muslims are all terrorists or condone terrorism, but I'd say it's more a case of lack of exposure to anything else. On the other hand, we get a LOT of exposure to Christians and Christianity in our daily lives, so it's a lot easier to accept that Christianity isn't represented by idiots like this in Africa or priests who molest kids.

 

[Rainsford]

Just wanted to say I enjoyed flavio's great example of self ownage.
1st he jumps all over Doc Savage for saying "A very large segment of Islam wants to see the annihilation of a nation." without backing it up. To only turn around an say "There was obviously a bunch of people celebrating the abortion doc killing."

Apparently, untold masses of people dancing in the street after 9-11 doesn't qualify for a "large segment" but a few 100 wacko's making anonymous post about Tiller is a "bunch of people"

If you're going to whine about my post I have a questions for you. Which percentage do you think is higher, the number of Muslims who want the annihilation of Israel or the percentage of wacko's Christians who celebrated the murder of Dr. Tiller?
Be honest if you can.

The news in general is a moronic way to decide anything about a large, diverse group of people.

You know why? Because an article titled "Vast Majority of Muslims Don't Celebrate 9-11 Attack" doesn't sell papers.