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Freshgeardude

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Christians do not collectively call themselves a "religion of peace" like islamic people do.

THAT is there the mocking of "religion of peace" came from.
 

DAGTA

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In the New Testament (the religious text of Christianity):

- Jesus gave people the authority to drive demons out by vocal command
- Jesus said the two most important commands are to love God with all your heart and love your brother like yourself
- Jesus made it clear that intentionally harming another is wrong


You (OP) are ignorant of the text you attack.
 

Moonbeam

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M: Why do you ask this question?

DSF: I know our deception among us runs deep and the world (as we know it) will die. I'm fully aware of the feeling you speak of...but it will not die...I wish words would make it so...but they are empty.


They are empty indeed. Life is not in thought or words. Life is in feeling and if you could feel your self hate you would come alive. Life is a living death because we will not allow ourselves to feel. We are in a capsized ship and need to dive. The feeling is that we are worthless and that feeling it will make it true. The fact is that only by feeling it can we see we were sold a lie. Of course, those who love God so much that their egos disappear, can also cross over. But they will not know what actually happened though it doesn't really matter.
 

Moonbeam

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I will take Moonbeam's position in the seemingly unending conflict in the Middle East.

The Israelis in forming the State of Israel did so in a generally barren land that was of no real value at the time of settlement. They bought and paid at a premium for then worthless land from anyone that wanted to sell it. (Do the descendants of the Indians that sold Manhattan for some shells also have a valid and lingering claim to the Big Apple? American Indian Jihad anyone?)

When the Arab states all decided to attack the new State with all of their might, some hapless Palestinians (actually Trans-Jordanians, etc. as there never was, nor was there even any intent to have a separate Palestinian state) decided that the grass was greener elsewhere and left voluntarily. Remember, the Arab states expelled their Jewish citizens and other non-Muslim populations under penalty of death, while Israel never forced any local resident to leave.

Over 60 years the Israelis have defended this sliver of land and through hard work and communal socialism prospered way beyond the surrounding states.

This has caused great feelings of jealousy, inadequacy and self-hate in the surrounding Arab and non-Arab Muslim governments and populations. These populations are insanely jealous, so jealous that they will destroy the object of their jealousy. They cannot overcome the feelings of inadequacy until the people that they could not conquer or stop from great achievements are destroyed.

Self-hate, insane jealousy and an inability to accept liberal and empowering self-reform is the cause of the problems in the Mid-East. It is the singular region that demonstrates Moonbeam's hypothesis over and over again.

You are absolutely right. The problem you have is that what you can see in others you do not see in yourself. But you could never understand how this works if it weren't also true of you. You point outward when you should point in. We are all the same.
 

PJABBER

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You are absolutely right. The problem you have is that what you can see in others you do not see in yourself. But you could never understand how this works if it weren't also true of you. You point outward when you should point in. We are all the same.

It is not necessary to stay in the state of self-hate, you know. Which is why I have an optimistic view of humanity, even as so many struggle both toward and away from varying degrees of enlightenment, ever rushing pell-mell at so many dead ends.

I even have hope for Palestinians, ever the victims of their own making.

There is a state and a process which some in psychology have referred to as self-actualization. It is comes about in the most curious ways. :awe:
 

Noobtastic

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Here's a ton of posts for you to look through. You can get the idea in the first few pages.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2261665/posts

lol for real?

this was universally condemned by christian groups.

and how many people have died in the abortion wars?

7, in the last 30 years?

that's what....1 nanosecond of islamic-inspired violence?

if you're trying to draw moral parallels between islam and christianity..you are failing miserably.
 

Jaskalas

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There was mass outcry from Muslims of all level of authority against 9/11.

There were mass amounts of christians celebrating the abortion doc getting shot.

This country tends to its own. The man is in jail. Let me know when Muslims take down Al'Queda.
 

flavio

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lol for real?

this was universally condemned by christian groups.


Like 9/11 was condemned by all sorts of Muslim groups.

Point being some christians cheered the abortion doc killing...some muslims cheered 9/11.

But the vast majority of both groups condemned both.

You're attempt at religious bigotry is failing miserably.
 

BoberFett

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You'd have to define 'mass amounts' but there are some nuts around.. I'm sure westborro has 'celebrated' worse.

I'm sure there were some, there are plenty of sick bastards in all walks of life. Hyperbole doesn't help though, especially when he's trying to argue against it from the other side.
 

Moonbeam

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PJABBER: It is not necessary to stay in the state of self-hate, you know.

M: I mentioned, did I not, that you don't know you hate yourself and therefore you don't understand self hate? To say that it is not necessary to stay somewhere is to imply volition and consciousness, that you know where you are and can go to a different place you also are aware of. None of this is factual when it comes to self hate. There is only one state folk are in regarding self hate and it's the state of denial. You don't choose to stay where you don't even know you are and because you are in denial for unconscious reasons, you can't choose to know those reasons.

PJ: Which is why I have an optimistic view of humanity, even as so many struggle both toward and away from varying degrees of enlightenment, ever rushing pell-mell at so many dead ends.

M: You can be anything you imagine when telling yourself a story, but it changed nothing on an unconscious level. You hate yourself and if you were to feel it you would see your optimism is a sham. You should be optimistic, but you can't be. You feel like the worst person in the world. You are like a gas bag with a rotten core. You make a diving trip out of a pair of cement shoes. You do not know what you feel but you think you do. Your glass is full and nothing I can say will add to your understanding. You already imagine you know. You call it self actualization when all you self actualize is your ego. You are self satisfied and have no need.

PJ: I even have hope for Palestinians, ever the victims of their own making.

M: And nothing you have can change that because you are the same.

PJ: There is a state and a process which some in psychology have referred to as self-actualization. It is comes about in the most curious ways. :awe

M: I don't give a damn about psychology. People learn about psychology to become better at being sick. All knowledge is to be had by feeling what you feel. The downtrodden and beaten have a better chance of that then the so called wise men.

Folk say they are optimistic but become defensive when I come along and tell them they feel hopeless. They get mad or they want to argue. Hehe, they aren't very optimistic them. They are pessimists who think I am here to take their joy away. I only want to bring them joy by notifying them they are miserable and sick, but that they don't know that they are and if they did they might have a shot at getting better, like in knowing you have a problem before you can work on it. Hehe, the greatest news in the universe, for the optimist, is the greatest catastrophe. To get well you have to die to being an optimist who is ignorant of his true inner condition.
 

Noobtastic

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Like 9/11 was condemned by all sorts of Muslim groups.

Point being some christians cheered the abortion doc killing...some muslims cheered 9/11.

But the vast majority of both groups condemned both.

You're attempt at religious bigotry is failing miserably.

9/11 and abortion are not comparable events.

christians aren't blowing up their children or subjecting other religions to 2nd class citizenship, or making live so miserably for others that they simply pick up and move elsewhere.

your attempt to prove islam as a grand and beautiful religion with a rich culture falls flat on its face.
 

flavio

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Mass amounts of people post on a fringe right wing website? How many people were cheering it? 50? 100? Do you really think that website is representative of an entire religion?

I think you've misunderstood. I don't think ANY of the people that cheered on the abortion doc killer represent all christians. People are all different. There's even a range of opinions in that thread. Some christians cheer the killer on, some just are happy the doc is dead, some don't care, and some are outraged.

I believe the vast majority do not condone murdering abortion docs. Just as some muslims cheering 9/11 don't represent the majority. Their all different but most of them condemned the attacks. You can't generalize billions of people by the actions of a few. That's irrational.

You're as bad as those you criticize, twit.

Now I could throw out some childish name calling like you did, since you completely missed the point. But hey, how about we just act a like adults and cut out the trolling.
 

flavio

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9/11 and abortion are not comparable events.

You're missing the point completely. The people of respective religions that cheered on either event are a minority and do not represent the billions of people in either religion.
 

flavio

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In the New Testament (the religious text of Christianity):

- Jesus gave people the authority to drive demons out by vocal command
- Jesus said the two most important commands are to love God with all your heart and love your brother like yourself
- Jesus made it clear that intentionally harming another is wrong


You (OP) are ignorant of the text you attack.


You're cherry picking and do not seem familiar with the full text. Let me help...

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/int/long.html
 
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They are empty indeed. Life is not in thought or words. Life is in feeling and if you could feel your self hate you would come alive. Life is a living death because we will not allow ourselves to feel. We are in a capsized ship and need to dive. The feeling is that we are worthless and that feeling it will make it true. The fact is that only by feeling it can we see we were sold a lie. Of course, those who love God so much that their egos disappear, can also cross over. But they will not know what actually happened though it doesn't really matter.
Moonie...surely you know that you're looking through the glass darkly?
 

CKent

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Read it a couple times. What would you like to say?

The religious texts really aren't much different from one another. Rambling, incoherent, contradictory... they may once have made sense, but centuries of translations - each marred by possible ineptitude of the translator and his probable agenda - have minced them up. All we can truly go by is what current followers make of it. Unless, of course, their 'god' comes down here and has a chat with us and solves the contradictions in no uncertain terms :biggrin: I'm not holding my breath...
 

flavio

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All we can truly go by is what current followers make of it.

Sure, and most current followers of either religion are peaceful normal folk going about their daily lives.

Glad we got that figured out.