More protests getting out of hand in Berkeley

[desura]

Let's make this perfectly clear. The first amendment prevents the government from restricting speech. It does not mean you must be provided a forum, or that others do not have the right to oppose you. It also does not protect you from the social consequences of your speech.

So nothing about this comes close to being a violation of the first amendment. Period.

Technically true. However, the tactics of the Antifa are horrible for civil society. Who is a Nazi and fascist is not really defined. To everyone, their enemies are Nazis. it is pretty clear to me that Anitra violence is going to inspire more violence from the altright, who are using it as a justification for arming themselves.

 

[Blue_Max]

Oh, more news trickling in... it appears the man who used a bike lock as a particularly nasty weapon is... a leftist professor.

Who'd have guessed.

 

[Ackmed]

Let's make this perfectly clear. The first amendment prevents the government from restricting speech. It does not mean you must be provided a forum, or that others do not have the right to oppose you. It also does not protect you from the social consequences of your speech.

So nothing about this comes close to being a violation of the first amendment. Period.

https://eppc.org/publications/federal-funding-and-campus-free-speech-a-proposal/

The first duty of a legislature is to protect the rights of its citizens. Speech at public colleges and universities already falls under the protection of the First Amendment, while most private colleges explicitly promise a high level of free speech rights to prospective applicants (which courts generally take as a contractual pledge).

So let me be perfectly clear, I never said that someone freely speaking doesn't come with consequences. I specifically pointed to the violent that has happened, and is being threatened to happen if someone does so. If you think this is right, then you're part of the problem. If you think a college making people conform to their views, or they face violence is ok, then again you're part of the problem. A lawful act of free speech, does not warrant violence under any conditions. This goes both ways. Can you wave around a banner and chant? Sure, that's your right to do so as well. Stop trying to twist my words around, you're well aware I pointed to violence not "social consequences".

 

[agent00f]

https://eppc.org/publications/federal-funding-and-campus-free-speech-a-proposal/


So let me be perfectly clear, I never said that someone freely speaking doesn't come with consequences. I specifically pointed to the violent that has happened, and is being threatened to happen if someone does so. If you think this is right, then you're part of the problem. If you think a college making people conform to their views, or they face violence is ok, then again you're part of the problem. A lawful act of free speech, does not warrant violence under any conditions. This goes both ways. Can you wave around a banner and chant? Sure, that's your right to do so as well. Stop trying to twist my words around, you're well aware I pointed to violence not "social consequences".

All speech "falls under the protection of the First Amendment", the first amendment applies to the government. This is why people who've never stepped foot in college aren't qualified to speak of them.

 

[OutHouse]

Like I said- you don't have the conceptual tools to appreciate what you have. You think that you're John Galt or the Lone Ranger. It's all about you all the time.

Did business care about pollution before our govt made them care? Pure food & drugs? Public education? Equitable hiring & firing? Worker safety? Worker retirement? Automobile safety? Non-predatory finance?

I could go on but it would probably be like trying to reason with a fence post.

Dude you are all over the place, are you high on grape ape or is it strawberry kush today??? Every one of your post you keep creeping out to include other things in your drug induced ramblings. Just give it up, you got owned. Go smoke your weed and beat off to the hookers advertising their goods outside your window on east colfax. real men are working here.

 

[AnonymouseUser]

Oh, more news trickling in... it appears the man who used a bike lock as a particularly nasty weapon is... a leftist professor.

Who'd have guessed.

It's been a rough week for Antifa:

• Even after bringing M-80s, bear spray, various other weapons to the event, and initiating the violence, they still got their asses kicked.
• The one girl throwing bottles got outed as a Wookie porn star.
• Demoralized Antifa complained to Reddit about their comrades, saying they were done with Antifa.
• Antifa twitter attempts to out one of their own.
• Antifa professor who used bike lock to bash non-violent participant gets outed, has online professor ratings trashed, gets his Amazon account hacked, and victim is pressing charges. Also possibly arrested.
• Antifa LARPers freak out on Facebook.
• Antifa gets unmasked in Auburn.
  
• Big boy Antifa picks fight with possible meth addict, gets the raw end of the deal.
  
• Antifa agitator meets a black man for the first time in his life, doesn't know what to say.
• Antifa member/supporter gets killed by racist moslem in Fresno.

Another week like this and they may not be willing to show their faces anymore...

 

[shortylickens]

What I'm hearing is that the angry conservatives are upset when they found out liberals can also sometimes protest violently. Do they not know they still have a monopoly on violence in America?

 

[OutHouse]

The one girl throwing bottles got outed as a Wookie porn star.

she was putting explosives in bottles and tossing them. she should be in jail.

 

[Blue_Max]

What I'm hearing is that the angry conservatives are upset when they found out liberals can also sometimes protest violently. Do they not know they still have a monopoly on violence in America?

That's what you may be *hearing* but it's not what's happening, or what was said.

It's the left that's been doing all the violent protests, rioting, hurting people, starting fires... it's only now that non-leftists (not necessarily "right" let alone "white supremacist") are fighting back.

The fact you consider yourselves to be "fighting back" and claiming the right attacked you first means you're delusional because it doesn't match any observable, documented, factual events.

 

[woolfe9998]

This tug of war over which side is causing more injuries in these protests is a joke. Both sides are doing it. But let's say for the sake of argument that leftists are doing it more. Here's something quite a bit more significant than who is throwing more bottles during a protest:

https://www.newamerica.org/in-depth...nited-states-today/#americas-layered-defenses

Right wing terrorists have killed over 50 people in the US in the past 15 years. Can anyone come up with some examples of left wing terrorists killing people in the US since, oh say, the 1980's? Even if the one incident in Dallas where the black guy killed 5 cops is considered left wing terrorism, that's 5 versus 50+. So for the sake of argument, there are more left wing bottle throwers, but more right wing shooters and bombers. Ah well, I guess conservatives can take some small consolation from their belief that the left is getting rowdier and rougher in these protests. Small consolation indeed.

 

[Blue_Max]

When you can't defend your argument, move the goal posts.

So let's go back in time ~35 years in order to try negating the last two. Expand the definitions of "right" as much as possible, and include any mass shootings in that category in order to paint a new narrative.

Doesn't change the fact the leftists are currently the problem, fighting for rights they already have and claiming they don't, etc.
Pure dogmatic stupidity.

 

[0roo0roo]

http://theralphretort.com/report-vi...ed-as-college-professor-eric-clanton-4020017/

/pol/ did the job when the police failed to do theirs.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

https://darktriadman.com/2017/04/20...-as-san-francisco-state-university-professor/
http://theralphretort.com/report-vi...ed-as-college-professor-eric-clanton-4020017/

/pol/ did the job when the police failed to do theirs.

LOL. never change underoos. wow... So how did this alex jones news hit you? Or has it? Or is it fake news?

 

[FelixDeCat]

http://theralphretort.com/report-vi...ed-as-college-professor-eric-clanton-4020017/

/pol/ did the job when the police failed to do theirs.

Thats a lawsuit. So much for hiding in terrorist garb.

 

[desura]

This tug of war over which side is causing more injuries in these protests is a joke. Both sides are doing it. But let's say for the sake of argument that leftists are doing it more. Here's something quite a bit more significant than who is throwing more bottles during a protest:

https://www.newamerica.org/in-depth...nited-states-today/#americas-layered-defenses

Right wing terrorists have killed over 50 people in the US in the past 15 years. Can anyone come up with some examples of left wing terrorists killing people in the US since, oh say, the 1980's? Even if the one incident in Dallas where the black guy killed 5 cops is considered left wing terrorism, that's 5 versus 50+. So for the sake of argument, there are more left wing bottle throwers, but more right wing shooters and bombers. Ah well, I guess conservatives can take some small consolation from their belief that the left is getting rowdier and rougher in these protests. Small consolation indeed.

Chris Dorner was pretty left wing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Dorner_shootings_and_manhunt

5 killed, 6 wounded.

Gavin Eugene Long.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-baton-rouge-police-shooting-20160717-snap-story.html

3 killed, 3 wounded.

DC Sniper.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D._C._sniper_attacks

10 killed, 3 wounded. Muslim.

Naval Yard Shooting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Navy_Yard_shooting

13 dead, 8 wounded.

Ismaaiyl Abdullah Brinsley

http://time.com/3652979/deblasio-nypd-funeral/

2 cops assasinated

I will give you that the black block antifa type people who are pretty hippie haven't actually perpetuated much violence, but by that measure neither have the alt-right people.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I'd be OK with police failing to stop violent protesters if non-violent ones were allowed to shoot in self-defense. As it is, most campuses don't allow firearms. Anyone attacked by ANTIFA or alt-righters unprovoked should sue the shit out of their school.

 

[Jhhnn]

Dude you are all over the place, are you high on grape ape or is it strawberry kush today??? Every one of your post you keep creeping out to include other things in your drug induced ramblings. Just give it up, you got owned. Go smoke your weed and beat off to the hookers advertising their goods outside your window on east colfax. real men are working here.

Blind in every way...

 

[woolfe9998]

Chris Dorner was pretty left wing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Dorner_shootings_and_manhunt

5 killed, 6 wounded.

Gavin Eugene Long.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-baton-rouge-police-shooting-20160717-snap-story.html

3 killed, 3 wounded.

DC Sniper.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D._C._sniper_attacks

10 killed, 3 wounded. Muslim.

Naval Yard Shooting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Navy_Yard_shooting

13 dead, 8 wounded.

Ismaaiyl Abdullah Brinsley

http://time.com/3652979/deblasio-nypd-funeral/

2 cops assasinated

I will give you that the black block antifa type people who are pretty hippie haven't actually perpetuated much violence, but by that measure neither have the alt-right people.

The naval yard shooter was a paranoid schizophrenic, deeply insane. No political motive has been identified. Here is what the conservative National Review has to say about his motives:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/359684/aaron-alexiss-motive-e-fuller-torrey

The DC sniper attacks have never been linked to left wing motives. After the fact, one of the shooters said it was about Jihad, though police have suggested that the motive was personal - he meant to kill his ex wife and figured if she was one victim of many that no one would suspect him. Either way, I see no left wing motive.

I'm starting to think that you believe any time a black person commits some sort of mass murder, it's a "left wing" motive. A rather bizarre assumption.

I haven't looked at the other cases, but those two are the largest and not valid.

My point stands.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Hmm, no mention of her throwing glass bottles at people and wearing a weighted sap glove on her right hand.

Just thought I'd bring to light the other side of the story. She's no angel.

http://iotwreport.com/never-hit-a-girl-moldylocks-update/

I missed this. Good stuff. Wonder how many of the articles publishing the photo of her getting clocked decided to update their stories.

 

[Jhhnn]

I missed this. Good stuff. Wonder how many of the articles publishing the photo of her getting clocked decided to update their stories.

Fake news. The bottle in her hand is photoshopped. That's obvious & even more obvious when you look at the gif back in post #1. She didn't have it in her hand when she grabbed her attacker by the shirt.

The fakery of the claim of a sap glove is obvious as well. How would they know? Looks like bicycle gloves to anybody not intent on promulgating a lie.

 

[Ackmed]

For those internet know it all types, sorry if I side with someone who actually knows what he is talking about;

It’s time for college administrators and campus police to grow a pair, and prosecute students who engage in these antics. Shutting down free speech is a crime, as Jay Sekulow, the chief counsel for the American Center for Law and Justice, knows.

”What’s going on with Ann Coulter is classic viewpoint discrimination,” Sekulow told me. “The Supreme Court has been consistent that viewpoint discrimination is a violation of free speech. And that is illegal.”

So who needs to take action? “It’s the school’s job to prevent the protests from becoming violent,” Sekulow says. “Letting students create a hostile environment that shuts down free speech opens the school to lawsuits.”

So let’s stop worrying about the students’ rights and prosecute the criminals among them. Here’s how, according to Sekulow:

“In a public place, and that includes the campus, you’re allowed to videotape what the students are doing. From a criminal perspective, the campus police would have to bring the lawsuit against people who are rioting. Frankly, until now, what the campus police have been doing is nothing. And the result is that free speech is being shut down. This goes way beyond political correctness. This is criminal conduct.”

Who is Seklow? Oh, just a guy who has argued 12 cases on the Supreme Court, who also is Chief Counsel of the American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ). NBD. I think he knows more about this than anyone here.

Fact is, is federally funded colleges attempts to suppress free speech as a few are doing, and continue to allow violent thugs (oh no, racist?!?!) who are too scared to show their actual face to conduct violence on those there are suppressing free speech. They're shutting down a venue with violence and intimidation. That is suppressing free speech. Berkeley and Hillary's Alma mater are trying to not allow what they disagree with. And even suggesting (and letting) violence happen to those that dont agree with them. The fact that some people here are ok with that, is sad.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

I had no idea wtf the term "Antifa" was... As always, encyclopedia dramatica comes through for me:

https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Antifa

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Fake news. The bottle in her hand is photoshopped. That's obvious & even more obvious when you look at the gif back in post #1. She didn't have it in her hand when she grabbed her attacker by the shirt.

The fakery of the claim of a sap glove is obvious as well. How would they know? Looks like bicycle gloves to anybody not intent on promulgating a lie.

Is there a good link out there proving that it's photoshopped? Snopes says it's a he-said she-said thing right now. The gif is unrelated to the photos with the bottle because clearly they happened at different times (Damigo is punching her in the gut in the bottle photo).

EDIT: Is this video a photoshop?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03bHf6j1T5o

 

[Blue_Max]

Is there a good link out there proving that it's photoshopped? Snopes says it's a he-said she-said thing right now. The gif is unrelated to the photos with the bottle because clearly they happened at different times (Damigo is punching her in the gut in the bottle photo).

Rumour is starting to escalate that those bottles were getting loaded with "M80"s (what is that, a firecracker?) to turn the bottles into IED's.

You'd think if one of those went off we'd hear something about it... then again, info is strangely hard to come by so far.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I haven't seen evidence of that (the high res pic clearly shows the bottle is empty, and I haven't heard any injury reports related to explosives), but a glass bottle is a deadly weapon and that's more than enough proof that she went to the event with the purpose of seriously maiming others. She should be in prison for life. ANTIFA needs to be declared a terrorist group.