More protests getting out of hand in Berkeley

[agent00f]

Don't forget to contribute to her shiny new GoFundMe. She needs those sweet, sweet victimbux!

And, yes, I think the guy who hit her is a piece of shit, too.

I would reply but I don't want to get dinged with another Racism warning.

the theme of your white guilt thread is racism, i asked you a question and you ran away from it like a butthurt clown who had his balloon popped. Why does talking about racism towards white people make you uncomfortable and the need to shift away from it?

Left out some proud members of team white(-only, plus the good ones).

 

[brycejones]

Oh really? And to what may we attribute this marvelous insight? You personally know enough liberals to make this judgment? You are a phony.

Felix is an admitted troll. He is best just ignored and not engaged at this point.

 

[brycejones]

I would reply but I don't want to get dinged with another Racism warning.

So the only way you can respond is by making admittedly racist comments? Shit son you MIGHT be a racist then. But a cowardly one who is afraid of offending some SJWs. So that makes you a beta, low t racist. So weak.

 

[boomerang]

Um, yeah. Sorry but no. I've read quite a bit of their content and they align themselves firmly with the alt-right while denying the alt-right even exists.

Define alt-right. You can use your definition or one from a source. If from a source please link to it. I need to know this to help understand the basis of your post. I'll give you a heads-up though. What I see is an individual who's ego tell him that he's superior because he believes that his thoughts are better and more pure. That's not the viewpoint of a conservative or a libertarian. That's progressive.

Learn when to see bias when it's right in front of your face.

Not to mention:

http://iotwreport.com/?s=vaccine

http://iotwreport.com/fv-community-news/post/hpv-another-global-vaccine-conspiracy-exposed/

Firmly anti-vax as well.

Why the obsession with vaccinations? Also, in your first link there is to be found a compilation of articles regarding vaccinations and vaccines. Which of those triggered you? I see articles both pro and con and spread across various spectrums of the issue. Are you upset because there is not a consistent pro-vaccination viewpoint being presented because that's how it looks from here. You rail on about being essentially a libertarian but that's not how you come across. You sound like a progressive.

Just overall a racist, conspiracy laden, anti-science, anti-intellectual site not worthy of use as a source.

The site is a compilation of sources of opinion which you proved with your link. I can tell it makes you uncomfortable on an emotional level though. My guess is that you prefer your information to come from a single viewpoint. Actually I don't need to guess, it's obvious.

Again, bias. You're soaking in it.

Look, it really is this simple: When you find yourself, or your sources siding with self avowed racists and fascists, there is something horribly wrong.

You are no longer pro-American. You are no longer pro-freedom. You no longer represent anything to do with any of that.

Now you're lecturing me. Your thoughts are righteous thoughts. Others are wrong for not agreeing with you. That's not liberal, that's not libertarian, that's progressive ideology. You might just be a progressive if you...

This was a self avowed FASCIST party gathering. Why are you on the side of the fascists? Are you fascist?

Link that it was a self-avowed fascist party gathering? I'd like to see the basis for your assertion. But be ready, because if I don't link your link, I just might throw some of your progressive mindset right back at you in an attempt to prove a point. One that will be ignored, I know.

If not, and you actually do believe facism is anathema to liberty, why not side with those who oppose them?

I said this earlier. Trump supporters decided to have a rally. If those that opposed the rally had not shown up, would the result have been violence? Why did so many choose to show up dressed in black and with their faces covered? Why are the people that you feel are in the right on this issue so obsessed with squelching free speech? Maybe you should give some thought to the meaning of the word Fascism and apply it to those that held a rally versus those that opposed that rally. Which faction in this instance sought control over which faction? Answering that question might be helpful.

I'll be waiting...

Your wait is over. You lectured me so I will now lecture you. You feel you are center right but you are skewed so far left that you either don't know it, or, you find it more palatable to feel that you are not what you are. I see the ramblings of someone unwilling to commit one way or another. A person with no true direction, no true ideology. A fence sitter that wishes to get along with everyone and in the process has no compass, no direction.

I'm going to make your day. You are holier than I. I want you to feel good about yourself this morning. I give this gift to you because it costs me nothing.

 

[ch33zw1z]

This isn't church, there's no fence sitters in politics, it's called being open minded. Willing to compromise and accept another point of view.

 

[Jhhnn]

This isn't church, there's no fence sitters in politics, it's called being open minded. Willing to compromise and accept another point of view.

Righties crave certainty. Once they come to believe they're no good at questioning it. It's religious in nature.

 

[Amused]

Your wait is over. You lectured me so I will now lecture you. You feel you are center right but you are skewed so far left that you either don't know it, or, you find it more palatable to feel that you are not what you are. I see the ramblings of someone unwilling to commit one way or another. A person with no true direction, no true ideology. A fence sitter that wishes to get along with everyone and in the process has no compass, no direction.

I'm going to make your day. You are holier than I. I want you to feel good about yourself this morning. I give this gift to you because it costs me nothing.

So, yet again, you are wrong (I'm beginning to think intentionally) on the facts. Self avowed, self declared racists decided to hold a rally and call it a Trump support rally. When, in fact, these groups have repeatedly gone to Berkeley even previous to Trump being elected to cause fights.

There is no doubt these are pro-fascist, racist groups. The Proud Boys and Identity Evropa are both unabashed fascist racial identity (white supremacist) groups and their actions and words are perfectly detailed on the SPLC link I gave. It's not my problem if you want to avoid the entire issue by denying the obvious.

Oh, and as for your last paragraph. You're goddamn right I'm lecturing you. You see a gang fight between fascist racists and people who oppose fascism and racism and you side with the fascist racists. You absolutely need a fucking lecture as you've lost any and all sense of morality and humanity.

Why do I side with those who stood up to fascists? Are you serious? Tell me, do you think the same thing about American Soldiers in WWII?

The anti-fascist protesters were not stopping free speech. (The right of free speech applies to government restrictions only, NOT social consequences like you getting your ass kicked for being an asshole and threatening others) They were showing up to counter protest a group who calls for the end of human rights for people based on race, authoritarian rule and with a long history of violence who, in their social media invites for the rally were ALREADY talking about kicking asses. BOTH sides are guilty of basically setting up a gang fight. But the key point is this: In this mutually agreed upon war, one side stood for oppression and fascism and the other side stood against it.

So my question stands: Why do you side with self avowed ideological fascists who call for authoritarian government and exclusion of minorities from society?

Because from any angle you look at this, you are supporting self avowed fascist white supremacists. Period.

As it stands, I see no other side here as you refuse to actually address that point.

So, are you pro-fascist?

Are you pro-white supremacist?

I mean if you are, just own it. Why tiptoe around it and act like you're not?

 

[agent00f]

Define alt-right. You can use your definition or one from a source. If from a source please link to it. I need to know this to help understand the basis of your post. I'll give you a heads-up though. What I see is an individual who's ego tell him that he's superior because he believes that his thoughts are better and more pure. That's not the viewpoint of a conservative or a libertarian. That's progressive.

It's just a fact of modern life, ie western liberalism, that objective facts matter. For example, it's unimpeachable fact that the seminal Alternative Right publication which started the movement was best known for their rhetorical article "Is Black Genocide Right?". I would assume the folks who kept following them didn't disagree.

 

[Pens1566]

There used to be a time, even here on P&N, when conservatives wouldn't touch white supremacists with a 10 foot pole. Sadly, that has gradually changed over the last decade, and has accelerated since last year. I'm afraid the alt right has become dominant in conservative thought, or at least the version of conservative thought most often expressed online.

spidey was an early warning sign. He was just ahead of his time. Poor little guy burned out before he could really contribute to the cause.

 

[Amused]

It's just a fact of modern life, ie western liberalism, that objective facts matter. For example, it's unimpeachable fact that the seminal Alternative Right publication which started the movement was best known for their rhetorical article "Is Black Genocide Right?". I would assume the folks who kept following them didn't disagree.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat..._launches_the_alt_right_s_newest_website.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_Right

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right

 

[nickqt]

The best part about conservatives being blind to objective, observable reality is that they come out in public and describe their delusions to the rest of us, all the while thinking they're spreading Truth™.

Please proceed, conservatives.

 

[desura]

So, yet again, you are wrong (I'm beginning to think intentionally) on the facts. Self avowed, self declared racists decided to hold a rally and call it a Trump support rally. When, in fact, these groups have repeatedly gone to Berkeley even previous to Trump being elected to cause fights.

There is no doubt these are pro-fascist, racist groups. The Proud Boys and Identity Evropa are both unabashed fascist racial identity (white supremacist) groups and their actions and words are perfectly detailed on the SPLC link I gave. It's not my problem if you want to avoid the entire issue by denying the obvious.

Oh, and as for your last paragraph. You're goddamn right I'm lecturing you. You see a gang fight between fascist racists and people who oppose fascism and racism and you side with the fascist racists. You absolutely need a fucking lecture as you've lost any and all sense of morality and humanity.

Why do I side with those who stood up to fascists? Are you serious? Tell me, do you think the same thing about American Soldiers in WWII?

The anti-fascist protesters were not stopping free speech. (The right of free speech applies to government restrictions only, NOT social consequences like you getting your ass kicked for being an asshole and threatening others) They were showing up to counter protest a group who calls for the end of human rights for people based on race, authoritarian rule and with a long history of violence who, in their social media invites for the rally were ALREADY talking about kicking asses. BOTH sides are guilty of basically setting up a gang fight. But the key point is this: In this mutually agreed upon war, one side stood for oppression and fascism and the other side stood against it.

So my question stands: Why do you side with self avowed ideological fascists who call for authoritarian government and exclusion of minorities from society?

Because from any angle you look at this, you are supporting self avowed fascist white supremacists. Period.

As it stands, I see no other side here as you refuse to actually address that point.

So, are you pro-fascist?

Are you pro-white supremacist?

I mean if you are, just own it. Why tiptoe around it and act like you're not?

You should watch the Richard Spencer speech at Auburn. In particular, during the Q&A there is a young blonde woman who did her homework and she confronted Spencer over his racism...far more effective than the thug tactics of the antifa.

 

[Jhhnn]

You should watch the Richard Spencer speech at Auburn. In particular, during the Q&A there is a young blonde woman who did her homework and she confronted Spencer over his racism...far more effective than the thug tactics of the antifa.

Yeh, fascist thugs are the real victims...

 

[desura]

Yeh, fascist thugs are the real victims...

Violence is not the solution. Reason is the solution. There was a girl at the speech who opposed him by reading what he said and reading it back to him.

 

[Jhhnn]

Violence is not the solution. Reason is the solution. There was a girl at the speech who opposed him by reading what he said and reading it back to him.

Yes, confronting Richard Spencer in a very controlled setting is exactly like fascist thugs from all over this country converging on the square in Berkeley...

 

[Amused]

Violence is not the solution. Reason is the solution. There was a girl at the speech who opposed him by reading what he said and reading it back to him.

As if he wasn't aware of what he's said? Seriously? These guys aren't hiding anymore. They're out of the closet. "Exposing" them is pointless at this point.

However, facing down threats of violence from these fscking pussies is not.

And that is exactly what this was. From the start of this they posted public threats to any counter protesters.

Nope. Sorry, but no sympathy for the fascist racists. None.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

As if he wasn't aware of what he's said? Seriously? These guys aren't hiding anymore. They're out of the closet. "Exposing" them is pointless at this point.

However, facing down threats of violence from these fscking pussies is not.

And that is exactly what this was. From the start of this they posted public threats to any counter protesters.

Nope. Sorry, but no sympathy for the fascist racists. None.

well you're being a fascist then.

 

[desura]

As if he wasn't aware of what he's said? Seriously? These guys aren't hiding anymore. They're out of the closet. "Exposing" them is pointless at this point.

However, facing down threats of violence from these fscking pussies is not.

And that is exactly what this was. From the start of this they posted public threats to any counter protesters.

Nope. Sorry, but no sympathy for the fascist racists. None.

It is possible to beat him in debate. That would be much more effective than shouting like the antifa, IMO.

 

[woolfe9998]

It is possible to beat him in debate. That would be much more effective than shouting like the antifa, IMO.

Debating white supremacists gives them legitimacy. It's why real historians don't debate holocaust deniers.

 

[Amused]

It is possible to beat him in debate. That would be much more effective than shouting like the antifa, IMO.

I hear that worked with all the fascists in history.

No... wait.

 

[agent00f]

Violence is not the solution. Reason is the solution. There was a girl at the speech who opposed him by reading what he said and reading it back to him.

This forum et al provides ample evidence of how well reason works on degenerates.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

This isn't church, there's no fence sitters in politics, it's called being open minded. Willing to compromise and accept another point of view.

And which side do you think is the least open-minded? The one's always vouching for "Freedom" (What is that thing anyway amirite?)

or...

The one's always chanting "RACIST, SEXIST, FASCIST, ANTI-GAY, MISOGYNIST!"?

(Hint: If you chose the first one, I have some bad news about you taking retard tests)

 

[ch33zw1z]

And which side do you think is the least open-minded? The one's always vouching for "Freedom" (What is that thing anyway amirite?)

or...

The one's always chanting "RACIST, SEXIST, FASCIST, ANTI-GAY, MISOGYNIST!"?

(Hint: If you chose the first one, I have some bad news about you taking retard tests)

Nice how you immediately turn that into a partisan challenge. Well, you just verified you're part of the problem. Grats on that, or sorry for your loss.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Nice how you immediately turn that into a challenge. Well, you just verified you're part of the problem.

I see where you landed on the test, and I've got some bad news

Keep in mind one of the only ones to ever sort of "lead" the movement of the other side is in-fact a flaming gay open homosexual.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I see where you landed on the test, and I've got some bad news

Keep in mind one of the only ones to ever sort of "lead" the movement of the other side is in-fact a flaming gay open homosexual.

I remember you. You're the guy who told me what type of dad I am in another thread. Keep it classy.

Try keeping an open mind, it may help you. Continue to name call if you like, my original statement you quoted still holds true.