More protests getting out of hand in Berkeley

[Jhhnn]

Uh, no. You just like using words like force because it is sexy and edgy and exciting.

Actually, if the federal government simply stopped with section 8 meddling, or regulating the racial distribution in schools, there probably would result in the country a "to each his own" population distribution. There would be majority black areas, majority white areas, majority latino areas, majority asian areas, and mixed areas arising naturally due to each person's individual decisions.

Anyways, it would be more useful if the antifa people actually pressed Spencer to elaborate what he means when he said "peaceful ethnic cleansing" instead of escalating the situation into violence.

What a load of bullshit. What you offer merely promotes Otherizing. It's just more of the divisive right wing rhetoric now coming to fevered pitch, even if you try to sugar coat it.

We can't afford this "separate but equal" Jim Crow bullshit now any more than we could 50 years ago.

 

[AnonymouseUser]

Nope. Not buying it and you'd be a fool if you did. This is the "kinder gentler" version of racism. Logic and history says otherwise. How exactly are they going to live apart without violations of human rights? Think about it. Wherever they choose to live, someone is going it to have to be evicted, by force.

And the very idea of "racial purity" is a violation of human rights. Period.

Semantics. Pure, ugly, racist semantics.

Anti-Semite!

 

[Jhhnn]

I haven't seen Spencer advocate any policies which would disenfranchise blacks.

So how does that "peaceful ethnic cleansing" thing not disenfranchise people?

This country can't afford racism no matter how it gets dressed up.

 

[Blue_Max]

So how does that "peaceful ethnic cleansing" thing not disenfranchise people?

This country can't afford racism no matter how it gets dressed up.

...unless the target is white. You can sh*t on them all you want. :yaaay:

 

[Commodus]

Seems you're wrapped up in it too. As was mentioned earlier it seems like LARPing to me. People want to feel like they are part of something so dress up and do this shit (both sides). Your sister in law's freedom and safety aren't under attack, but I guess it's fun to dress up and pretend like they are.

They sure as hell are.

If Spencer and his kind had their way, there's a real chance she'd be forced to move. And if she wasn't, those people would certainly feel emboldened to make their hatred known to her face. No, Spencer's not about to take public office or launch a coup, but don't act as if he and other racists aren't posing a growing threat. Remember, Spencer practically orgasmed at the thought of Trump becoming President, because that gave legitimacy to one of his core ideas (that non-whites should be kept out). There's a real concern that refusing to staunchly oppose the alt-right will normalize its views, and we're seeing some of that even in this forum thread.

I don't think Antifa's violence is the way to do it, but I understand their concern.

 

[UglyCasanova]

What a load of bull crap. Y'all get worked up over made up issues. If your sister in law is a legal citizen nobody is going to make her do anything. Whites aren't trying to keep out "colored", Americans (of all different races) are securing the border and trying to implement immigration reform because...we're a country. Wrapping that up as a racist issue is misguided and wrong.

 

[Moonbeam]

Not sure if serious.

Sincere, I'm sure, but not serious. Serious, at least to me, implies a rational mental capacity. HTFOff comes off as a badly emotionally damaged individual, somebody perhaps even physically abused who lives in terror of appearing weak. The tough guy act is a cover and a compensation. But for anybody who has experiences what he has and come to some self understanding, he is as transparent as a clear glass window. He has seen so much hate he needs to act in ways that keep it coming. The new hate of today he's armored against. It's piece and calm and love he fears because that's when memory of the past sneaks past our defenses. He heeds a lot of emotional noise. Sadly the only way out is self knowledge, but he has lost all hope.

 

[desura]

These past few years we've seen a normalizing as well of black grievance, which I believe has the potential of causing serious harm as well. I mean, that guy who killed 5 police in Dallas, Micah Johnson, there is a line from Ta-Nehasi Coates being given a platform in The Atlantic magazine to those murders of police in Dallas.

What the alt-right does is push back against the left ideology which fundamentally debases America and acts like the majority population is not deserving of respect. I mean, how many times have you heard the line that because Native Americans were dispossessed, then there is no reason to restrict immigration in any way? That looks like a recipe for strife. The Left, if taken to its logical conclusion, believes that the white population is deserving of being driven off just as the Native Americans were.

Spencer has been confronted by angry black people asking him what he would do with them. His answer? They're already here. They're citizens. That's it. End.

 

[Jhhnn]

...unless the target is white. You can sh*t on them all you want. :yaaay:

Well, yeh, except that Antifa members come in every color. Kinda shoots that in the ass.

 

[Commodus]

I haven't seen Spencer advocate any policies which would disenfranchise blacks.

The arguments that he and his followers make are akin to the Bell Curve debates. It is more a critique of the "all are equal" ideology and if black people underperform, then ipso facto it is because of racism and affirmative steps need to be taken to counter that. These are arguments for inaction more than anything, just accepting life as it is and not trying to force diversity or buying into the mantra that diversity is a strength.

Disenfranchisement is at the very core of Spencer's beliefs.

He wants a white "homeland" where other ethnic groups don't exist. What do you think would happen to black people currently living in that land if he got what he wanted? Hint: Spencer wouldn't be showing up at their doorsteps with a smile and a cup of tea.

Frankly, I'm disgusted that you're trying to defend him at all. He's a piece of shit racist coward whose ideas must be opposed at every turn. No exceptions.

 

[WelshBloke]

What the alt-right does is push back against the left ideology which fundamentally debases America and acts like the majority population is not deserving of respect. I mean, how many times have you heard the line that because Native Americans were dispossessed, then there is no reason to restrict immigration in any way? That looks like a recipe for strife. The Left, if taken to its logical conclusion, believes that the white population is deserving of being driven off just as the Native Americans were.

You really believe that allowing an amount of immigration and supporting rights for minorities equals driving out the white population?

 

[UglyCasanova]

You really believe that allowing an amount of immigration and supporting rights for minorities equals driving out the white population?

I think most of the "alt-right" are simply for securing the damned border and implementing immigration reform. There should absolutely be immigration into the US, but lawfully. I don't understand how that can be racist.

 

[boomerang]

[QUOTE="boomerang, post: 38848263, member: 22820]
Oh and uh, the civil war has started.

What are the sides as you see them in this civil war?[/QUOTE]
Good and evil the same as every other conflict the world has ever known. Duh.

Trump supporters decided to demonstrate to show their support for him. Supporting the President is always good.

If the Anarchists and Fascists who decided that hiding their identities was in their best interests hadn't shown up, would there have been violence? A simple yes or no is all that question requires.

 

[desura]

You really believe that allowing an amount of immigration and supporting rights for minorities equals driving out the white population?

What happens is that any time a restriction of immigration is brought up, native americans are brought up as a counter in a way that is meant to delegitimize any legitimacy in desiring to restrict immigration. This isn't arguing the policy if we should let in 10k people vs 200k people. It is more of a gut punch meant as an emotional rallying cry.

 

[desura]

Disenfranchisement is at the very core of Spencer's beliefs.

He wants a white "homeland" where other ethnic groups don't exist. What do you think would happen to black people currently living in that land if he got what he wanted? Hint: Spencer wouldn't be showing up at their doorsteps with a smile and a cup of tea.

Frankly, I'm disgusted that you're trying to defend him at all. He's a piece of shit racist coward whose ideas must be opposed at every turn. No exceptions.

His white homeland is about as realistic as the El Chapo Traphouse dirtbag left Bernie Sanders socialist utopia. I mean, do you automatically write off the Sanders-left because it is obviously going to result in gulags and reeducation camps?

 

[Amused]

You really believe that allowing an amount of immigration and supporting rights for minorities equals driving out the white population?

They've been programmed to believe that rights are like pie.

 

[Commodus]

His white homeland is about as realistic as the El Chapo Traphouse dirtbag left Bernie Sanders socialist utopia. I mean, do you automatically write off the Sanders-left because it is obviously going to result in gulags and reeducation camps?

Realistic or not, it's at the heart of his beliefs. He quotes Nazi propaganda; he attacks Jews; virtually everything he says and does is about denying the rights of non-white, non-Christian people.

The Sanders comparison is invalid. Why? Because Sanders has never argued for those ideas, and never will. Those would merely be projections from his enemies. Spencer, however, has very explicitly pushed for a whites-only country and supports any policy that helps that goal. Just because he's unlikely to get his wish doesn't mean he isn't dangerous.

 

[FelixDeCat]

I think most of the "alt-right" are simply for securing the damned border and implementing immigration reform. There should absolutely be immigration into the US, but lawfully. I don't understand how that can be racist.

Exactly. Left wing hysteria .

 

[desura]

Realistic or not, it's at the heart of his beliefs. He quotes Nazi propaganda; he attacks Jews; virtually everything he says and does is about denying the rights of non-white, non-Christian people.

The Sanders comparison is invalid. Why? Because Sanders has never argued for those ideas, and never will. Those would merely be projections from his enemies. Spencer, however, has very explicitly pushed for a whites-only country and supports any policy that helps that goal. Just because he's unlikely to get his wish doesn't mean he isn't dangerous.

All of this about Spencer being a neo-Nazi is also a projection from his enemies. Has Spencer laid out how exactly non-whites will be disenfranchised? No. Like Sanders, he lays out general principles, and his enemies extrapolate from there. Spencer spends most of his energy critiquing diversity dogma in the DC establishment and the entertainment industry, as well as opposing foreign wars.

I haven't seen him quote Nazi propoganda. I actually get the reference; columnist Molly Ivins famously slurred Pat Buchanan's speech at I think the 1988 or 1992 RNC as better "in the original German," and Spencer is just mocking that tendency.

This is more about pushing back against the diversity dogma of the neoliberal establishment. The valid fear is that with diversity comes balkanization, and that the true reality of diversity is the disintegration of Yugoslavia, or for that matter, Iraq. Black Lives Matter and the push for slavery reparations are certainly one avenue towards a discordant future, and the liberal establishment have given them legitimacy which will inevitably lead to more riots like what we saw in Dallas and Charlotte.

Trump's winning of Florida for instance makes a lot more sense when you consider where all of the BLM riots occurred.

 

[mikeymikec]

Some people might want to educate themselves on the topic of the alt-right before opening their mouths.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o6-bi3jlxk

 

[desura]

Some people might want to educate themselves on the topic of the alt-right before opening their mouths.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o6-bi3jlxk

This is a better video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muf3XYTXfHk

That's the punching guy seen in page 1 explaining himself.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

...unless the target is white. You can sh*t on them all you want. :yaaay:

poor snowflake, you are so oppressed and marginalized. how do you ever make your way through the day maxi?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

This is a better video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muf3XYTXfHk

That's the punching guy seen in page 1 explaining himself.

fuck him

 

[Blue_Max]

Well, yeh, except that Antifa members come in every color. Kinda shoots that in the ass.

...except I was responding to: "This country can't afford racism no matter how it gets dressed up."

Full stop. Progressives are totally okay with racism very, very much against whitey. They're not even kind to the people they claim to stand for, often assuming the very lowest possible standard. Like city parks are now "racist" because black people might have to take a bus to get there, or voting ID is "racist" because black people can't use the internet or go to the DMV to get licenses, etc.

In pretending to be kind (and virtue-signalling like MAD) they usually show their true colours of being far worse racists than the "un-woke" they screech their accusations at.

REEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!

 

[Thebobo]

Wow punching a woman what a man!

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1699942986965832