More protests getting out of hand in Berkeley

[desura]

You haven't googled the pics yet then. I don't mind the bush but the armpit and ass hair turns me off. She's literally got doo doo dreads.

Uh, believe me, I have.

I like women being *women* and have never liked the Barbie doll plastic surgery look of most porn stars.

 

[Amused]

^ As you can see above, the anarchist / leftist (on the left) is wearing typical black garb to conceal his identity to avoid prosecution for illegal acts, while the peaceful Trump supporters had nothing to hide. Also, you will see to left, pepper spray is being used on the pro-Trump participants.

Liberals only pretend to be tolerant and understanding.

Typical alt-right bigot snowflake. Be an intolerant asshole and when you're intolerance is not tolerated, scream about what a victim you are.

"Waaaaah! They won't tolerate our intolerance! Hypocrites!"

 

[desura]

The difference here is ALL the Trump thugs traveled from far away specifically looking for trouble. They found it. And from the looks of them, they are all alt-right white power thugs.

Interesting bullshit reverse example you give. Seems to me the racists are still looking to beat up minorities and those who stand up for them.

Honestly from the looks of it, it is the antifa people throwing the first punches and initiating any confrontation or disrespect.

 

[Thebobo]

*ignores dozens of Progressives' masks to focus on the one sorta'-masked anti-Progressive*

Well done. That's some seriously impressive tunnel vision, there.

I didn't ignore the anarchist I just pointed out the odd roman dude with american flag shorts. You have to admit that is an odd outfit to wear to a protest, it caught my eye right away.

BTW I will assume if someone on the "other" side wore those shorts a lot of your like minded folks would call them disrespectful to the american flag. You know you ass rummbing up against the flag and heaven forbid he wasn't wearing underwear. Brown streaks on the flag?! That's un american!

 

[Jhhnn]

Fixed that for ya. After all, it IS your Progressive pals rioting in the streets and colleges right now. I imagine you guys hate it that people aren't tolerating it very much anymore.

Riiight... Trump never called for violence, obviously... Well, except he did, repeatedly. It's unsurprising that it would inflame the opposition, other than to innocent snowflake trolls like yourself.

 

[Amused]

Honestly from the looks of it, it is the antifa people throwing the first punches and initiating any confrontation or disrespect.

To be honest, I consider white supremacists to be a direct threat to the safety and human rights of others. Anyone who advocates and attempts to strip others of their human rights deserves to lose their own. It is a completely indefensible and historically dangerous position and I have no problem with any of it as I see it as no less than self defense.

 

[desura]

To be honest, I consider white supremacists to be a direct threat to the safety and human rights of others. Anyone who advocates and attempts to strip others of their human rights deserves to lose their own. It is a completely indefensible and historically dangerous position and I have no problem with any of it as I see it as no less than self defense.

I've listened a fair amount to Spencer and he doesn't come across as a white supremacist. Maybe a white separatist at worst. THere is a difference between supremacy and separatism imo. They do not want to mix and lord over minorities or forcibly subjugate other people, and they criticize foreign wars for doing just that.

So no, violence against him is not justified. I've honestly never heard him advocate for stripping anyone of their rights.

 

[shortylickens]

So, I hear we're discussing bush, yes?

 

[Jhhnn]

I've listened a fair amount to Spencer and he doesn't come across as a white supremacist. Maybe a white separatist at worst. THere is a difference between supremacy and separatism imo. They do not want to mix and lord over minorities or forcibly subjugate other people, and they criticize foreign wars for doing just that.

So no, violence against him is not justified. I've honestly never heard him advocate for stripping anyone of their rights.

Puh-leeze. That's some truly lame obfuscation. "Peaceful ethnic cleansing" is a contradiction in terms.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_B._Spencer

 

[UglyCasanova]

Uh, believe me, I have.

I like women being *women* and have never liked the Barbie doll plastic surgery look of most porn stars.

There's a happy medium in between Barbie doll plastic surgery look and pit hair with ass dreads.

 

[desura]

Puh-leeze. That's some truly lame obfuscation. "Peaceful ethnic cleansing" is a contradiction in terms.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_B._Spencer

Eh, he hasn't really elaborated more on it. The fact that he used the word "peaceful" is meaningful. Like, there have been proposals that Israel pay the Palestinians to leave the West Bank, give each person like 10k and a ticket out of there.

Most importantly, he isn't going out on the street chanting, "ethnic cleansing, non-whites out". None of them are. It is the antifa who are really reaching trying to find any justification to act like asshole jerks.

 

[Commodus]

I've listened a fair amount to Spencer and he doesn't come across as a white supremacist. Maybe a white separatist at worst. THere is a difference between supremacy and separatism imo. They do not want to mix and lord over minorities or forcibly subjugate other people, and they criticize foreign wars for doing just that.

So no, violence against him is not justified. I've honestly never heard him advocate for stripping anyone of their rights.

That still makes him an evil person whose ideas must disappear forever.

I don't think Spencer should've been punched, but I'm not going to feel sorry for him because he was. He makes a point of antagonizing entire cultural groups based purely on religion or skin color -- what does he think people are going to do, give him hugs? Peaceful opposition to his ideas is the best solution, of course, but he shouldn't have been surprised that someone was angry enough to deck him.

 

[UglyCasanova]

He makes a point of antagonizing entire cultural groups based purely on religion or skin color --

Sounds like some posters on here, agent00f chief among them.

 

[desura]

That still makes him an evil person whose ideas must disappear forever.

I don't think Spencer should've been punched, but I'm not going to feel sorry for him because he was. He makes a point of antagonizing entire cultural groups based purely on religion or skin color -- what does he think people are going to do, give him hugs? Peaceful opposition to his ideas is the best solution, of course, but he shouldn't have been surprised that someone was angry enough to deck him.

Honestly, what I find much more troubling is when white guys with guns go and try and disrupt BLM protests. That is an affirmative step that the white guys with guns are doing.

And I don't think Spencer or his followers would ever do anything like that. I actually think that the white guys with guns who harass BLM deserve to be punched. Spencer is just good at playing evil. Dude has a theater background apparently. But the bigger problem is the antifa.

 

[FelixDeCat]

So, I hear we're discussing bush, yes?

Bush was one of the greatest presidents of the 21st Century.

 

[Thebobo]

Bush was one of the greatest presidents of the 21st Century.

umm no

 

[Amused]

Eh, he hasn't really elaborated more on it. The fact that he used the word "peaceful" is meaningful. Like, there have been proposals that Israel pay the Palestinians to leave the West Bank, give each person like 10k and a ticket out of there.

Most importantly, he isn't going out on the street chanting, "ethnic cleansing, non-whites out". None of them are. It is the antifa who are really reaching trying to find any justification to act like asshole jerks.

Nope. Not buying it and you'd be a fool if you did. This is the "kinder gentler" version of racism. Logic and history says otherwise. How exactly are they going to live apart without violations of human rights? Think about it. Wherever they choose to live, someone is going it to have to be evicted, by force.

And the very idea of "racial purity" is a violation of human rights. Period.

Semantics. Pure, ugly, racist semantics.

 

[desura]

Nope. Not buying it and you'd be a fool if you did. This is the "kinder gentler" version of racism. Logic and history says otherwise. How exactly are they going to live apart without violations of human rights? Think about it. Wherever they choose to live, someone is going it to have to be evicted, by force.

And the very idea of "racial purity" is a violation of human rights. Period.

Semantics. Pure, ugly, racist semantics.

Uh, no. You just like using words like force because it is sexy and edgy and exciting.

Actually, if the federal government simply stopped with section 8 meddling, or regulating the racial distribution in schools, there probably would result in the country a "to each his own" population distribution. There would be majority black areas, majority white areas, majority latino areas, majority asian areas, and mixed areas arising naturally due to each person's individual decisions.

Anyways, it would be more useful if the antifa people actually pressed Spencer to elaborate what he means when he said "peaceful ethnic cleansing" instead of escalating the situation into violence.

 

[BoomerD]

Berzerkely

Ftfy.

 

[Commodus]

Honestly, what I find much more troubling is when white guys with guns go and try and disrupt BLM protests. That is an affirmative step that the white guys with guns are doing.

And I don't think Spencer or his followers would ever do anything like that. I actually think that the white guys with guns who harass BLM deserve to be punched. Spencer is just good at playing evil. Dude has a theater background apparently. But the bigger problem is the antifa.

No.

Antifa may be misguided in its approach to fighting racists and fascists, but... it's fighting racists and fascists. This is and will always be superior to Spencer's views. What's worse: "alt-right" people getting punched or maced at a protest, or those same people wanting to evict non-white people from where they live, harass them and (in extreme cases) attack them without provocation?

I have a personal stake in this, too. My brother's wife is black. When you say Antifa is worse, you're telling me that my sister-in-law's freedom and safety are less important than that of white nationalists who barely tolerate her existence (and let's not kid ourselves: some of Spencer's supporters don't even tolerate that). Condemn Antifa when it resorts to non-defensive violence, by all means, but the greater problems are unquestionably the racist and fascist ideologies they're opposing. Antifa is advocating for small-scale violence; Spencer is ultimately advocating for violence against millions of people (through forced deportation and other racist laws), even if he sugarcoats it by dropping words like "peaceful" in front of horrific concepts.

 

[OutHouse]

Anarchists attack pro free speech American Patriots and get their asses handed to them! Most excellent!

 

[UglyCasanova]

No.

Antifa may be misguided in its approach to fighting racists and fascists, but... it's fighting racists and fascists. This is and will always be superior to Spencer's views. What's worse: "alt-right" people getting punched or maced at a protest, or those same people wanting to evict non-white people from where they live, harass them and (in extreme cases) attack them without provocation?

I have a personal stake in this, too. My brother's wife is black. When you say Antifa is worse, you're telling me that my sister-in-law's freedom and safety are less important than that of white nationalists who barely tolerate her existence (and let's not kid ourselves: some of Spencer's supporters don't even tolerate that). Condemn Antifa when it resorts to non-defensive violence, by all means, but the greater problems are unquestionably the racist and fascist ideologies they're opposing. Antifa is advocating for small-scale violence; Spencer is ultimately advocating for violence against millions of people (through forced deportation and other racist laws), even if he sugarcoats it by dropping words like "peaceful" in front of horrific concepts.

Seems you're wrapped up in it too. As was mentioned earlier it seems like LARPing to me. People want to feel like they are part of something so dress up and do this shit (both sides). Your sister in law's freedom and safety aren't under attack, but I guess it's fun to dress up and pretend like they are.

 

[Jhhnn]

But the bigger problem is the antifa.

So, uhh, anti-fascists are more of a problem than fascists, particularly when our new Prez has helped whip the usual fascists, bigots, white nationalists & every other flavor of right wing whack job into a frenzy? When Steve Bannon is the White House Chief Strategist? When Jeff Sessions runs runs the DoJ?

Shee-it, Sherlock. The Antifa won't be getting anywhere near the levers of power in this country anytime RSN. That can't be said for the fringe right elements in the Trump Admin.

 

[desura]

No.

Antifa may be misguided in its approach to fighting racists and fascists, but... it's fighting racists and fascists. This is and will always be superior to Spencer's views. What's worse: "alt-right" people getting punched or maced at a protest, or those same people wanting to evict non-white people from where they live, harass them and (in extreme cases) attack them without provocation?

I have a personal stake in this, too. My brother's wife is black. When you say Antifa is worse, you're telling me that my sister-in-law's freedom and safety are less important than that of white nationalists who barely tolerate her existence (and let's not kid ourselves: some of Spencer's supporters don't even tolerate that). Condemn Antifa when it resorts to non-defensive violence, by all means, but the greater problems are unquestionably the racist and fascist ideologies they're opposing. Antifa is advocating for small-scale violence; Spencer is ultimately advocating for violence against millions of people (through forced deportation and other racist laws), even if he sugarcoats it by dropping words like "peaceful" in front of horrific concepts.

I haven't seen Spencer advocate any policies which would disenfranchise blacks.

The arguments that he and his followers make are akin to the Bell Curve debates. It is more a critique of the "all are equal" ideology and if black people underperform, then ipso facto it is because of racism and affirmative steps need to be taken to counter that. These are arguments for inaction more than anything, just accepting life as it is and not trying to force diversity or buying into the mantra that diversity is a strength.

 

[Blue_Max]

To be honest, I consider white supremacists to be a direct threat to the safety and human rights of others. Anyone who advocates and attempts to strip others of their human rights deserves to lose their own. It is a completely indefensible and historically dangerous position and I have no problem with any of it as I see it as no less than self defense.

Which is why it's AWFULLY convenient for Progressives to assume that anyone not fully supporting them are, by default, "white supremacists".
Except there's a >99% chance they're not.

Irrelevant to progressives, though. This convenient narrative gives them full permission (in their mind) to start attacking people. Punch them! Silence them! Strip them of their rights! They're dangerous!!

But it's a false narrative and makes Progressives the fascist thugs, all while they claim to be attacking "fascist thugs"... and claim to be victims when anyone dares to fight back.