Huh, so a buncha US Attorneys are fired for not prosecuting the Democrats in their states fast enough? Hmmm, can't imagine why anyone would have an issue with that...
You may have proven others point with that statement. Clinton, like the justice system is supposed to be, was blind to the individuals he fired. Bush was cherry-picking here.
Bowfinger
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Here's an update from the Washington Post:
(PS. For the usual "But Clinton ..." duhversionists, let me highlight this part again: "Although Bush and President Bill Clinton each dismissed nearly all U.S. attorneys upon taking office, legal experts and former prosecutors say the firing of a large number of prosecutors in the middle of a term appears to be unprecedented and threatens the independence of prosecutors." Not the same thing at all, no matter how much smoke you blow.)
This story is really coming to a head, with incriminating e-mail, revelations of White House complicity, calls for Gonzales to resign, and his chief of staff taking the fall for his boss. The Bush administration has again shown its compulsive dishonesty, with the usual ever-changing parade of lies. Even Republican Congressmen are weighing in against the administration. This has to be one of the most corrupt, incompetent presidencies in U.S. history.
(PS. For the usual "But Clinton ..." duhversionists, let me highlight this part again: "Although Bush and President Bill Clinton each dismissed nearly all U.S. attorneys upon taking office, legal experts and former prosecutors say the firing of a large number of prosecutors in the middle of a term appears to be unprecedented and threatens the independence of prosecutors." Not the same thing at all, no matter how much smoke you blow.)
Lemon law
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The point being, this is and was a political decision and Karl Rove's fingerprints are all over this. The one that sticks in my mind is an interesting little sidebar between a Senator and Alberto Gonzales. Where Gozales was somewhat apologizing and trying to pour oil over troubled waters and the Senator point blank telling Gonzales that his little song and dance meant nothing---and he would find himself subpoenaed to the investigating committee that next week and would be TESTIFYING UNDER OATH.----I would have loved to be that little fly on the wall and suspect the look on Gonzales face would have been priceless.
And unlike Chuck Shumer who makes no bones about demanding Gonzales resign, this senator is flat out saying Gonzales serves at the pleasure of the President---and implies that if GWB&co. wants a total clown
to be his public face at the Justice department----GWB&co. WILL find himself saddled with a total clown by the time the committee is even close to done with Gonzales.
In short, this is going to be the wave of the future---gone is the Republican Rubber stamp congress. If GWB&co wants to be the dividers and not the uniter's, they are going to start paying in public relations.
And if the clown boots fit---they will wear it.---after awhile the rest of the GOP will get the message that 08 is a coming, and they can run with GWB&co. risking becoming an endangered species. Or they can put the clamps on their clown and force their idiot to get real.
And unlike Chuck Shumer who makes no bones about demanding Gonzales resign, this senator is flat out saying Gonzales serves at the pleasure of the President---and implies that if GWB&co. wants a total clown
to be his public face at the Justice department----GWB&co. WILL find himself saddled with a total clown by the time the committee is even close to done with Gonzales.
In short, this is going to be the wave of the future---gone is the Republican Rubber stamp congress. If GWB&co wants to be the dividers and not the uniter's, they are going to start paying in public relations.
And if the clown boots fit---they will wear it.---after awhile the rest of the GOP will get the message that 08 is a coming, and they can run with GWB&co. risking becoming an endangered species. Or they can put the clamps on their clown and force their idiot to get real.
They need to change the law about hiring/firing US Attorneys. These men and women work for the public good, not for their politicos.
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The problem is that Congreess already approved Gonzales and does not have the authority to remove him.
bush already offered up the sacrificial lamb in Rumsfield. I do nto think that he will offer up some-one else for a political decision that is not on the scale of the Iraq blunders.
bush already offered up the sacrificial lamb in Rumsfield. I do nto think that he will offer up some-one else for a political decision that is not on the scale of the Iraq blunders.
If you cared to educate yourself on the issue instead of using your partisan opera glasses you would know that:
A. Most Presidents put their own US Attorney's up when they come in to office, neither Clinton or Bush Sr. fired any of the US attorney's mid term.
B. They claimed to have been let for for performance reasons, yet all received great reviews last year. Also, if you read the memos that were released yesterday you can see that this was a direct attempt to circumvent Congress and even the home state Senators.
More and more will come out in the next few days and AGAG will be resigning within a month.
Lemon law
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To EagleKeeper--who states---bush already offered up the sacrificial lamb in Rumsfield. I do nto think that he will offer up some-one else for a political decision that is not on the scale of the Iraq blunders.
There is probably little doubt about what GWB wants----but even the President of the Unites States is going to have to pay attention to reality---and if GWB does not want to see his credibility sink to very dangerous low levels, GWB is probably going to have to chuck most of his advisers. Ayabe probably has it right---Gonzales may well be the next to go. And Alberto is under fire over the firing of attorneys and has another full blown abuse of power scandal also brewing.----and is likely to become totally toxic to GWB&co.
There is probably little doubt about what GWB wants----but even the President of the Unites States is going to have to pay attention to reality---and if GWB does not want to see his credibility sink to very dangerous low levels, GWB is probably going to have to chuck most of his advisers. Ayabe probably has it right---Gonzales may well be the next to go. And Alberto is under fire over the firing of attorneys and has another full blown abuse of power scandal also brewing.----and is likely to become totally toxic to GWB&co.
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The Iraqi blunders have been played out in the press and the complete country has seen the impact. One of the results was the scking of rumsfield after the 06 election.
The canning of USDAs may not have a great of an impact on the public. The DA has staff to continue the ongoing cases.
The way and why it was done is wrong; however, if it creates an outcry beyond the capital beltway will be the factor if Gonzales gets the boot.
given the current attitude of Congress toward Bush, I do not think that he will be very concerned ouitside lip service. The government can go on autopilot for the next 2 years for all Bush cares.
He can not push any initiatives through and Congress can be circumvented when-ever he chooses.
The Republicans can yell, but they must worry more about protecting their backsides; Dems have to look at who they will back in 08 and attempt to manipulate themselves in favorable positions without shooting themselves in the foot.
Impeachment has flown in the face of reality. There is no real leverage that Congress has without stepping over their charter and into the running of the country.
The Iraqi blunders have been played out in the press and the complete country has seen the impact. One of the results was the scking of rumsfield after the 06 election.
The canning of USDAs may not have a great of an impact on the public. The DA has staff to continue the ongoing cases.
The way and why it was done is wrong; however, if it creates an outcry beyond the capital beltway will be the factor if Gonzales gets the boot.
given the current attitude of Congress toward Bush, I do not think that he will be very concerned ouitside lip service. The government can go on autopilot for the next 2 years for all Bush cares.
He can not push any initiatives through and Congress can be circumvented when-ever he chooses.
The Republicans can yell, but they must worry more about protecting their backsides; Dems have to look at who they will back in 08 and attempt to manipulate themselves in favorable positions without shooting themselves in the foot.
Impeachment has flown in the face of reality. There is no real leverage that Congress has without stepping over their charter and into the running of the country.
I think the strategy is for Bush to look and become so corrupt that the voters will start to think of him as a freak and cease to tie him to his party.
Originally posted by: dahunan
Why can't politicians just run on their own merits instead of only trying to find fault with the other guy?
Because when they do, they lose more.
Lemon law
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To EagleKeeper---who states---He can not push any initiatives through and Congress can be circumvented when-ever he chooses.
In terms of the latter statement---that was the sad truth with the republican rubber stamp congress---I very much doubt Bush is going to find circumventing Congress will be either easy or cost free. If GWB&co. has too many your illusions, they may well find themselves impeached with astonishing speed at worst. And badly embarrassed at best. What you are now seeing is just a mere start---that may turn into a rout for neocon advisers.
Testifying under oath---who would have thunk it a year ago?
In terms of the latter statement---that was the sad truth with the republican rubber stamp congress---I very much doubt Bush is going to find circumventing Congress will be either easy or cost free. If GWB&co. has too many your illusions, they may well find themselves impeached with astonishing speed at worst. And badly embarrassed at best. What you are now seeing is just a mere start---that may turn into a rout for neocon advisers.
Testifying under oath---who would have thunk it a year ago?
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Kind of reminds me of what happened here in Maryland when Bob Ehrlich took office about 4 years ago as the first Republican Governor in many years. He got rid of a bunch of staffers when he first got into office, about the same amount that every Governor has everytime they got into office. It just makes sense to get your own people in there with you. Anyways, the Baltimore Sun and the rest of the mindless Democrats in this state were hysterical with this horrible partisan move by the evil Republican, but oddly enough, they had no problem with it when countless Democrats did it for many many years.
Anyways, I think the issue is with the fact that he is doing this now, in the middle of his second term.
There are three other issues:
1. There is hard documentation that the firings were part of a plan going back at least two years for explicitly political reasons.
2. The documentation proves Bush and Rove were directly involved in the plan.
3. Gonzales explicitly LIED to Congress and denied those facts.
That should be enough to have Gonzales fired, and I believe it's yet another impeachable offense by Bush for abuse of his authority for political advantage.
Whether any previous Presidents have committed similar abuses of their authority is not relevant. It just means those Presidents were not held to account for their behavior, but in no way does it excuse THIS Asshole In Chief for his crimes. It's time to treat him as the lying murderer and traitor he is.
JAIL TO THE THIEF! :thumbsdown: :| :thumbsdown:
And - the replacements were put in without any Senat confirmation, using a clause snuck into the Patriot Act.
It's nothing less than the politicization of the group critical to the US having any accountability for the executive branch, the US Attorneys.
It not only affects the 8 removed, but sends a signal to the other 100 or so.
And it's not as if the administration hasn't already highly politicized them - while Republicans held huge political power from 2001-2006, US attorneys IIRC had over 200 investigations of democrats, and only about 67 of republicans. This is a corrupt act by a corrupt administration to cripple almost the only protection against its corruption.
This is yet further evidence of the total corruption of the Bush administration and provides yet further grounds to impeach the entire administration, starting with George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and Karl Rove.
The nation is hemmoraging, both literally on the battle fields of Iraq and Afghanistan and morally in the bowels of the administration and in the halls of Congress. NOTHING is more important for our nation at this moment than removing the most immediate, most perilous threat to our democratic institutions, the administration of George W. Bush.
This administration is guilty of the murder of every American who had died in their war of LIES in Iraq.
This administration is guilty of treason for their wholesale abuse of power and shredding of the rights guaranteed to every American citizen by the U.S. Constitution.
Now, they have been proven to be up to their eyeballs in a plot to abuse their authority under color of law to pack the office of the U.S. Attorney General with prosecutors tasked to attack their political opponents.
How much is too much? When there is a rabid dog running loose in the streets, first, shoot the mad dog. THEN, we can take time to feel sorry for the poor doggy.
It's time to fire Alberto Gonzales and impeach George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and their gang of criminals! :thumbsdown: :| :thumbsdown:
The nation is hemmoraging, both literally on the battle fields of Iraq and Afghanistan and morally in the bowels of the administration and in the halls of Congress. NOTHING is more important for our nation at this moment than removing the most immediate, most perilous threat to our democratic institutions, the administration of George W. Bush.
This administration is guilty of the murder of every American who had died in their war of LIES in Iraq.
This administration is guilty of treason for their wholesale abuse of power and shredding of the rights guaranteed to every American citizen by the U.S. Constitution.
Now, they have been proven to be up to their eyeballs in a plot to abuse their authority under color of law to pack the office of the U.S. Attorney General with prosecutors tasked to attack their political opponents.
How much is too much? When there is a rabid dog running loose in the streets, first, shoot the mad dog. THEN, we can take time to feel sorry for the poor doggy.
It's time to fire Alberto Gonzales and impeach George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and their gang of criminals! :thumbsdown: :| :thumbsdown:
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