When someone researches a motherboard befor purchase, they look in the motherboard section of forums. Hence why Hard posted it there. Your summary is false. Crossfire in itself isnt unstable, the motherboard is. It doesnt matter which video card is in there. You could have easily been more "fair and blanced" with the thread title, and summary. But you didnt want to. And thats the problem I, and probably others have. I dont care that you are reporting that the DFI Crossfire board is unstable, not that it would matter. What I care about is your obvious bias, and wrongly stating that Crossfire is in itself, unstable. Its the motherboard thats unstable, at least for some. Others have no issues.
When someone researches a motherboard befor purchase, they look in the motherboard section of forums. Hence why Hard posted it there. Your summary is false. Crossfire in itself isnt unstable, the motherboard is. It doesnt matter which video card is in there. You could have easily been more "fair and blanced" with the thread title, and summary. But you didnt want to. And thats the problem I, and probably others have. I dont care that you are reporting that the DFI Crossfire board is unstable, not that it would matter. What I care about is your obvious bias, and wrongly stating that Crossfire is in itself, unstable. Its the motherboard thats unstable, at least for some. Others have no issues.
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Quoted from Fugger over in xtremesystem.org:
"I have been running the RDX for a few weeks now, near max voltage on the 3500+ E6 and mild overclocked 300x10 the X2 3800+
No problams at all so far with the DFI CF board for me.
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"I have been running the RDX for a few weeks now, near max voltage on the 3500+ E6 and mild overclocked 300x10 the X2 3800+
No problams at all so far with the DFI CF board for me.
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Intel 3.73EE ES @ 5.3Ghz
Asus P5WD2-Premium
2GB Mushkin 6400UL
ATI X1800XL dual display 21" Trinitron + 22" Accusync
ATI HDTV Wonder
PCI DVB-S Tuner
Logitech THX High Definition Audio
4x 36GB Raptor 10K RAID 0
OCZ Modstream"
When did this vacation happen??? like 1 year ago???
he at least brings articles and proof in unlike the relentless thread crapping that should have got guys like M0RPH vacations......
Since Rollo doesn't resort to name calling he pretty much shields himself from vacations...it is just merely a fanboy who likes his product...nothings against that....It is not trolling cause he has an opnion about one product. nothing he has stated has been rpoved to be false in regards to this thread...if so prove it....
I wold give bans to ppl like you who ask for bans in viable threads...called thread crapping....
The fanATIcs are at it again. :disgust:
Rollo is right, this is a retail mobo and god knows what would have been said on this forum had the NF4 or any of the nForce chipset based motherboards been like this.
ATI's fault or not, this motherboard is representative of their chipset and their crossfire. Being a DFI user myself, I can't imagine not being able to boot up. I don't understand why DFI would release such a shotty mobo when their NF4 boards are rock solid??
I guess it doesnt matter anyways though, someone already mentioned that X1800XT Crossfire cards wont be here till next year. Looks like board manufacturers have a chance to get it right. But that also leaves prospective X800/X850 Crossfire SOL.
Rollo is right, this is a retail mobo and god knows what would have been said on this forum had the NF4 or any of the nForce chipset based motherboards been like this.
ATI's fault or not, this motherboard is representative of their chipset and their crossfire. Being a DFI user myself, I can't imagine not being able to boot up. I don't understand why DFI would release such a shotty mobo when their NF4 boards are rock solid??
I guess it doesnt matter anyways though, someone already mentioned that X1800XT Crossfire cards wont be here till next year. Looks like board manufacturers have a chance to get it right. But that also leaves prospective X800/X850 Crossfire SOL.
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You ATI guys are like military propaganda control. Trying to surpress the bountiful coffers of ATI screw ups. Granted, this is about a problem with DFI and it's inability to utilize crossfire, but you guys go into nuclear tailspin with every negative news topic that even hints that ATI was a participant. This problem appears not to have been caused by ATI not even in the slightest. BUT, it involves another piece of computer equipment that does not work properly with crossfire. Creig, you need to ask the mods to thoroughly look over this thread. The mod will turn around and tell you he sees things a bit differently than you do. He will say that he sees Rollo, posting a news item and adding his opinion on the article. That's it. Because that's all it is.
You guys programmed yourselves to treat all Rollo posts as troll posts. That's your problem and you will have to deal with this in your own way.
Actualy you are being shortsighted...If I was buying an SLI mobo for the intent of running 2 VC in SLI I would ask in here for other users and their perceptioon of it....If I was planning on ocing I would ask the question in the cpu forum...
Sorry most ppl do it this way and this is no different...It is about your intended use...
By the way ROLLO also placed one there....
Now it helps mobo researchers and researchers interested in running 2 ATi cards in crossfire....
Bolded mine.
And thats your problem. You (and others) cant seem to grasp thats its not a Crossfire card issue. Its a motherboard issue. It happens with other cards too. Yes, even NV cards. And one person having problems, doesnt mean it doesnt work properly for other people. Its pretty rare, and generally the boards work fine. Yes its a "news item", just posted in the wrong forum.
As I mentioned before, DFI's boards generally take a lot of tweaking to get working right. And they really dont like Corsair memory, thats common knowledge at the DFI forums. I dont know what Hard used though. I did a simple search and found several posts with problems from SLI owners, and DFi's boards. Yes, even a rebooting loop. Should I post that in the video section? No, its a motherboard issue.
According to who, you? I would never look in a video card section, when researching a motherboard. But hey, Im just logical that way.
Yeah he posted one there, after he was shown the error of his ways.
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I was actually going to suggest that this ALSO be posted in the motherboard forum as this truly does pertain to both motherboard and video. Now maybe TWICE as many people will see this and save some grief for themselves. The thread has been there over an hour and not one reply post yet. This thread has existed for just over 2 hours and has over three pages already. Yeah, I think he put it in the right place the first time.
Hardly. Look at what this post is about. Its a non-issue for most people. The whole thread is about rollos wrong spot, and bad wording. Its not about the DFI motherboard issue at all.
Hasn't happened to me or anyone since the first boards came out. Nothing that a BIOS update can't fix.
According to the link ROllo posted, a BIOS fix DID NOT resolve their issue.
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Maybe instead of putting so much energy into trying to prove it doesn't belong here, another route could have been taken and most could have offered information instead of flames. Don't you think? ATI fans take the south fork in the road most often. They could have contributed to the thread with little effort, but it's much more FUN to use enormous amounts of energy to flame. Sad, huh.
Still can't accept the fact that an AGP owner considering upgrades this weekend might (unfortunately) buy this combo and be screwed, can you?
Instead of telling us all why you think this doesn't belong here, why don't you take it to the mods with a pm and a FI post?
I think their reponse will be the final word on that opinion.
Obviously as many people here think this information is valuable in this forum as do not, I truly WANT you to take this to the mods.
This post has NOTHING to do with trolling, EVERYTHING to do with helping board members , and you don't belong in it if all you have is an attempt to suppress the TRUTH to say.
I didnt flame anyone. What I did do, is say that its not a Crossfire problem, and because motherboards have issues, doesnt mean Crossfire as a platform is unstable. Which is what he said. How can you even agree with the topic and summary? It doesnt make sense at all. Anyone can see he could have been MUCH more "fair and blananced". Of course the thread is going to go downhill when he puts hit bias twang to it, and distorts facts.
Truth? The truth would have been to say that it has happened with other cards, and not just Crossfire. The truth would have to not said that Crossfire is unstable because the motherboard is. The truth would have been to say that its a very rare problem. By your logic, the GTX is unstable because someone had a problem with it as well, in the same board. The truth is that it will more than likely be fixed, as its a motherboard issue. Ill be waiting for your post praising the Crossfire motherboard in the video section then.
Lets say it like it is. If it had gotten great results, you wouldnt have said a word. In fact, its the only review with this problem, so why not comment on that fact in your first post. One problem in a review, doesnt mean all boards are bad. You post only anti-ATi threads, and pro-NV threads. Im done with this useless and deceiving thread.
Regardless of the number of replies, it was STILL deliberately posted in the wrong forum. And since over 1/2 of the posts in here are concerning Rollo and his anti-ATI antics, I don't think you can go by number of pages as an indicator of success.
I have nothing against actual "news" for/against either company, but what Rollo now posts on a daily basis can hardly be called news. It's completely one-sided, filled with non-relevent comparisons, inflammatory comments and NOBODY can use it as a basis for an objective decision without having to read the original source to learn what the article's true conclusion actually was.
I hardly call that "news".
Whatever respect he may have earned from his previous work/benchmarks has been lost to his never ending stream of anti-ATI rants. And as he seems unable to control this urge by himself, I sincerely hope a Moderator will do it for him. Permanently this time.
A: You guys putting "me for mod" in your sigs look very stupid.
B: Rollo is still doing his usually bashing, flaming, and flamebaiting.
C: Keys is still on Rollo's you know what.
That is all.
B: Rollo is still doing his usually bashing, flaming, and flamebaiting.
C: Keys is still on Rollo's you know what.
That is all.
LOL- good luck with that.
The mods, in their wisdom, surely realize that all valid information is needed to make informed buying decisions, not just the "Yippie skips, someday there might be a usable Crossfire configuration" type posts some seem to hope for. :roll:
BTW- want to see some DFI owners reporting the same as HardOCP?
http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/forumdi...=6be57098e4851d9d46edd4bff47110d4&f=30
I honestly don't care how bad this makes ATI look, or how many X1800 sales it costs them.
I care more about the guy who had to earn the $800 he might have wasted today on a DFI/XT Crossfire combo than if some huge corp makes more millions, or if I appear biased.
THAT'S the difference between us Creig- I care more about the people on the board than wasting my time trying to get people banned I don't agree with.
If you think censoring my voice is more helpful, you're entitled to your opinion.
I'll tell you this though- were I gone they're not going to get a single vs double review of performance on the top three new shooters from you, or any negative info about ATI. I think that speaks for itself on who is doing something worthwhile here.
So bringing up possible defects in products and issues others are experiencing is now considered trolling?
Just because you don't like the facts...
Last post. Im curious why you didnt post about the SLI motherboard issues, when they came out, in the video section Rollo?
http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2465&p=28
What does this tell us? New hardware usually has a teething time when its not the best it can be. This isnt anything different. If you are really "fair and balanced", why didnt you post that article in the video section? Seems like a double standard to me.
http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2465&p=28
What does this tell us? New hardware usually has a teething time when its not the best it can be. This isnt anything different. If you are really "fair and balanced", why didnt you post that article in the video section? Seems like a double standard to me.
A. I didn't start it. (although Creig is the sole supporter of Creig for Mod apparently) I know I'll never be a mod, what I like about all the people with Rollo for Mod in their sigs is that it's a daily reminder to the mods that even though there's a handful of guys here who lobby hard to censor me, for every one of them, there's 2-3 guys who think what I have to say is relevant. They AREN'T lobbying to not have me banned, so it's good for the mods to see more people want me here than not.
B. Quotes? What "bashing" and "flaming" have I done in this thread? Questioning peoples demand this information be suppressed? :roll:
C. If that is not a flame, I don't know what is. You will not see childish insults like that from me.
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first off, it appears a bios fix is out by dfi, for at least some of the woes.
secondly, this is not a bad place to post this stuff. what a bunch o' crap.
q-"why didn't you post AT's review"
a-uh, because it had nothing to say aside from its not unexpected, stellar performance review of a, at the time, unavailable board?
whoever in this thread o' crap that said all you ati fans or rollo haters need to back off is absolutely correct. damn, any single issue mentioned with ati products leads to this "circling of the wagons (atidiots)" defense which is pathetic.
literally, that was the first thread i opened in dfi crossfire forums. and there are plenty of other people with problems but rather than do a little research you just flame rollo :roll:
secondly, this is not a bad place to post this stuff. what a bunch o' crap.
q-"why didn't you post AT's review"
a-uh, because it had nothing to say aside from its not unexpected, stellar performance review of a, at the time, unavailable board?
whoever in this thread o' crap that said all you ati fans or rollo haters need to back off is absolutely correct. damn, any single issue mentioned with ati products leads to this "circling of the wagons (atidiots)" defense which is pathetic.
literally, that was the first thread i opened in dfi crossfire forums. and there are plenty of other people with problems but rather than do a little research you just flame rollo :roll:
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