More Crossfire woes

[Capt Caveman]

I'm glad you answered my question:
Why didn't you post this review from a reputable source when it was published?
Anandtech's Review of the DFI LANParty UT RDX200

How do you get from my post that I think I'm a mod? Wow, reading comprehension gone awry. I'm just stating my opinion on your trolling. I'm neither pro or anti Nvidia or ATI. As you can tell, I have an ATI card and Nvidia SLI motherboard, and currently leaning towards upgrading to a Nvidia video card. I'm just tired of trolling and that's what this post was b/c you didn't post Anandtech's review of the same motherboard. Why not?

And you would post a negative review of a Nvidia SLI board? Yeah, right. LMAO

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Hey Messenger,

Why didn't you post this review from a reputable source when it was published?
Anandtech's Review of the DFI LANParty UT RDX200

Quote from the review:
"In every performance area important to overclockers and AMD hobbyists, the DFI is at least as good as the legendary DFI nForce4 motherboards. In some areas, the DFI RDX200 is even superior to their nForce4 boards."

A Messenger? Yes, if it's anti-ATI and pro-Nvidia
Biased? Yes
Troll? Yes
Time for a vacation from the forums? Yes

Trolling is lame.

It's nice you think you're a mod.

I can't help but wonder if you or any of the rest would be here clamoring for my ban if this post was about a SLI motherboard.

I sort of doubt it, hypocsrisy is the enemy of the valid exchange of information.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Then it's okay to post other motherboard reviews here? Video performance is part of every motherboard review.

Some one please open a new thread on Anandtech's review of the same motherboard since it contradicts the HardOCP review. And someone start a new thread on the Anandtech's review of the Asus A8N32-SLI, since it's supposed to boost video performance by up 19%.

A motherboard review typically compares one motherboard to other motherboards yes?
Graphics performance/database apps/IDE/SATA performance/mobo features such as IEEE1394, onboard audio/video etc. Usually the chipsets performance is the highlight. Not the graphics cards used in them which are typically identical in every motherboard tested for non staggered results. So give me the proverbial break.

This was of a DFI mobo trying to run Crossfired cards wasn't it....

This topic belongs HERE in video. Get over it. Or go notify a mod and see if you can convince them this thread does not belong here.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: xtknight
The A8N-SLI Deluxe nForce4 SLI board I got for $260 last year also has lots of issues, and it's a final product, not some reference beta stuff. It doesn't detect DiamondMax 10 hard disks sometimes, half of the chipset drivers won't install without crashing, NCQ damaged the hard disk data, what else did I forget? I don't even use SLI yet, but I don't think I'm gonna try with this motherboard.

This is a final product as well, for sale on newegg. Your motherboard will boot, which puts it ahead of this one.

Anandtech didn't have this issue, why don't you post that info?

A Messenger? Yes, if it's anti-ATI and pro-Nvidia
Biased? Yes
Troll? Yes
Time for a vacation from the forums? Yes

Trolling is lame

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Ok folks, time to put all your personal feelings aside here. Why exactly should this topic NOT be a concern for potential Crossfire customers? Why should it belong ONLY in the motherboard forum and not here? When it clearly pertains to both categories.
It's a hybrid topic and can go either way. Makes sense for Rollo to post here becuase it has something to do with Crossfire does it not? So put down your pitchforks and look at the data for what it is and nothing more. For Cryin out loud...

still wrong place . . . re read the topic again

and when we look at the data, we see a NON [xfire] certified by ATI MB having issues with the SB [which we already knew]

this is currently a non-issue as xfire master cards aren't available and a simple BIOS update may resolve it . . . either way it's a MOTHERBOARD issue that DFI needs to resolve - recall or not.

premature . . . just like the crap stating we would not see 512MB x1800 xfire

see a pattern?

[it's a trolling pattern]

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q]Originally posted by: Rollo
BTW- crossposted for those who cared.

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=29&threadid=1733560&enterthread=y

Where it belongs . . . and let's see what attention it gets withOUT the flamebait title:

Current state of Crossfire motherboards
From HARDOCP

[/quote]


Have to disagree Apoppin.

People will be making video card choices today, and this is the only Crossfire motherboard available today.

Belongs here as well as motherboards, posted in both.

This motherboard is the only one available, so a guy buying his Crossfire rig now has only this option.

Does someone moving from AGP to PCIE have to buy a new motherboard sometime in the future in your view?

If I had AGP, wanted Crossfire, I'd want to upgrade my motherboard once.

The 1000 people they say have bought this board wish they had seen this review, why do you want to hide it from others who may get screwed like they were?

Why do you hate the board members so much you want to limit access to this info?

I love the AT video board, and work hard to see people here get all the news they need to consider their video card purchases. I don't want to hide info from them like you.

Anyway, time to go catch more bass, enjoy.

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Then it's okay to post other motherboard reviews here? Video performance is part of every motherboard review.

Some one please open a new thread on Anandtech's review of the same motherboard since it contradicts the HardOCP review. And someone start a new thread on the Anandtech's review of the Asus A8N32-SLI, since it's supposed to boost video performance by up 19%.

A comparison between A8N-SLI32 and A8N-SLI motherboards has already been posted and dicussed in this forum, and I don't recall anyone saying it was in the wrong place.

IMO, motherboards that offer a signifcant boost in video card performance or are geared towards the video enthusiast markert should be posted here because we are interested in them. A few pages back, someone stated that this thread would sink in a motherboard forum... Well, this thread certainly isn't sinking here, so obvioulsy is it of interest to people who came to the video card forum to read about video issues...

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Rollo
If I had just spent $199! on one of these stinkers, I would go ballistic!

When SLI came out, people were fond of posting it's trivial issues like "doesn't work with Apple monitor", "doesn't support WS yet", "doesn't work in ancient Windows 2000".

Compare that with "Gee my whole computer won't boot".

I think it's pretty obvious ATI should not have entered this arena at this point in time- Crossfire has been a tale of woe all year, late, limited and malfunctioning at all levels.

The A8N-SLI Deluxe nForce4 SLI board I got for $260 last year also has lots of issues, and it's a final product, not some reference beta stuff. It doesn't detect DiamondMax 10 hard disks sometimes, half of the chipset drivers won't install without crashing, NCQ damaged the hard disk data, spontaneously disabling Marvell network adapter, what else did I forget? I don't even use SLI yet, but I don't think I'm gonna try with this motherboard.

Am I to understand that you are still using this same motherboard for a year now?
Couldn't have deterred you that much else you would have dumped it for another motherboard by now. What other options do you have?

 

[jasonja]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Hey Messenger,

Why didn't you post this review from a reputable source when it was published?
Anandtech's Review of the DFI LANParty UT RDX200

Quote from the review:
"In every performance area important to overclockers and AMD hobbyists, the DFI is at least as good as the legendary DFI nForce4 motherboards. In some areas, the DFI RDX200 is even superior to their nForce4 boards."

A Messenger? Yes, if it's anti-ATI and pro-Nvidia
Biased? Yes
Troll? Yes
Time for a vacation from the forums? Yes

Trolling is lame.

It's nice you think you're a mod.

I can't help but wonder if you or any of the rest would be here clamoring for my ban if this post was about a SLI motherboard.

I sort of doubt it, hypocsrisy is the enemy of the valid exchange of information.

Duh! Everyone is "clamoring" for your ban because your posts are ALWAYs biased and slanted. Hell I'd vote for you as video mod if you just once slung some mud at nVidia like you do at ATI DAILY!

I simply don't get it? Did an ATI employee run over your dog or something? I don't understand your desire to slander ATI. The rest of us let our spending dollars do our talking... you on the other hand get some kick out of promoting nVidia and slandering ATI. You're like an out of control nVidia viral marketing tool and you're nothing more than a broken record that everyone is tired of hearing.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Am I to understand that you are still using this same motherboard for a year now?
Couldn't have deterred you that much else you would have dumped it for another motherboard by now. What other options do you have?

I didn't have any option but to keep it. I built it too late and I was out of newegg's 30-day return period. I have found my workarounds for the issue, most of which include "just don't do it". For the hard disk problem, usually cold booting twice will get it to detect, but why should I have to deal with this? The point is, both chipsets have issues. If I, along with TONS of other people in the Motherboards forum, install the nForce 4 ATA driver, I can watch XP die a slow death because of nvatabus.sys. However not everyone has a DiamondMax10 hard disk, and not everyone is going to experience problems with ATI chipsets.

Sure, it may consistently POST, but all that tells me is I can run memtest86 for an OS pretty much. If it doesn't detect my hard disk, I can't boot in to Windows or Linux, or store any data. It took me a while to find the workaround so one night I worried I had just got a $260 paper weight. Some people may not have found that workaround (like my next door Average Joe neighbor). While Average Joe doesn't buy a motherboard, he may have bought a PC with this mobo and tried installing a DM10 hard disk in it. There are more issues than just the DM10 problem though.

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: rbV5

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: rbV5

As there's no such thing as a certified board, this is all we can comment on. People are buying video cards NOW, what Crossfire boards may or may not be someday is irrelevant

You're wrong and in the wrong forum.
Link

LOL there's ONE Crossfire board on that page, and:
1. It hasn't been reviewed
2. It's a lowly ECS! (I'd rather use an Xbox than their crap)
3. It's not for sale

Like I said, I'm just trying to give people considering video card choices the whole picture, and this DFI is it, present day.

Its the weekend again and you're trolling video again...big suprise.

lmfao :laugh:

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: apoppin


q]Originally posted by: Rollo
BTW- crossposted for those who cared.

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=29&threadid=1733560&enterthread=y

Where it belongs . . . and let's see what attention it gets withOUT the flamebait title:

Current state of Crossfire motherboards
From HARDOCP

Have to disagree Apoppin.

People will be making video card choices today, and this is the only Crossfire motherboard available today.[/quote]There are NO x-fire choices today . . . unless you can point me to x1800xt master cards

Belongs here as well as motherboards, posted in both.

This motherboard is the only one available, so a guy buying his Crossfire rig now has only this option.

No option . . . yet . . . a MB purchase for x-fire is PREmature

Does someone moving from AGP to PCIE have to buy a new motherboard sometime in the future in your view?

If I had AGP, wanted Crossfire, I'd want to upgrade my motherboard once.

Sure like you upgread your MBs and video cards - once

The 1000 people they say have bought this board wish they had seen this review, why do you want to hide it from others who may get screwed like they were?

this board has got good reviews from AT and others . . . perhaps they bought it for its performnance . . . a BIOS flash may resolve it or DFI may offer another - it's DFI's ass that is on the line and they have a good rep - so far

Why do you hate the board members so much you want to limit access to this info?

i like my AT online "family" and have never threatened to sue the administrators- unlike you - if i was threatened with banning . . . on the other hand, i DESPISE FUD

I love the AT video board, and work hard to see people here get all the news they need to consider their video card purchases. I don't want to hide info from them like you.

Anyway, time to go catch more bass, enjoy.
[/quote]
Pure hypocricy
:Q
well, not so pure
:roll:

happy trollin' [i believe you troll for bass, also]

aloha
. . . and i am going for a walk along the creek that runs by my property . . . such a beautiful day!
Peace and aloha

 

[Tanclearas]

Rollo, this thread is just absolutely pathetic. You feed just the information that makes an argument to show that ATI is to blame. Once again, I am stunned that there are people that actually value your opinion.

You conveniently leave out the following from the article.

The CrossFire motherboard that we have been using for our CrossFire video card evaluation came directly from ATI. I would like to point out that the ATI CrossFire motherboard we have used has been problem-free so far.

When others point out that you are feeding misinformation, you shift direction and point to performance issues with ATI's southbridge. Once again, you fail to also acknowledge any of the performance advantages of the ATI chipset, and completely ignore the problems that people are continuously reporting about Nvidia's chipset. These problems include the very serious, and apparently irreparable, problems experienced by people trying to get Nvidia's much-touted hardware firewall to work, especially following a driver update.

In my opinion, these forums would be far better off without you participating. You're dishonest not in the sense that you blatently lie, but rather that you lie through ommission. You provide just enough truth to further some twisted religious adoration of Nvidia. You'll notice that my current system is Nvidia-based, but it doesn't mean I have any obligation to Nvidia to pretend that they can do no wrong, or that I have an obligation to convince others that ATI is evil and Nvidia is the only way to go.

In short, you are everything a computer hardware enthusiast should not be.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Huh? The review does not state what kind of video card was used to boot-up the system. We can assume that it was an ATI card but did they try and boot-up the motherboard with a Nvidia card. Based on the review, do you think using a Nvidia card would have solved the problem? Probably not. Thus, this review really has nothing to do with the matching of a motherboard w/ a video card. So, this review to me looks like just a regular motherboard review.

Plus, Anandtech had no issues when they reviewed the board. Funny how the OP forgot to mention that.

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Then it's okay to post other motherboard reviews here? Video performance is part of every motherboard review.

Some one please open a new thread on Anandtech's review of the same motherboard since it contradicts the HardOCP review. And someone start a new thread on the Anandtech's review of the Asus A8N32-SLI, since it's supposed to boost video performance by up 19%.

A motherboard review typically compares one motherboard to other motherboards yes?
Graphics performance/database apps/IDE/SATA performance/mobo features such as IEEE1394, onboard audio/video etc. Usually the chipsets performance is the highlight. Not the graphics cards used in them which are typically identical in every motherboard tested for non staggered results. So give me the proverbial break.

This was of a DFI mobo trying to run Crossfired cards wasn't it....

This topic belongs HERE in video. Get over it. Or go notify a mod and see if you can convince them this thread does not belong here.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: jasonja

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Hey Messenger,

Why didn't you post this review from a reputable source when it was published?
Anandtech's Review of the DFI LANParty UT RDX200

Quote from the review:
"In every performance area important to overclockers and AMD hobbyists, the DFI is at least as good as the legendary DFI nForce4 motherboards. In some areas, the DFI RDX200 is even superior to their nForce4 boards."

A Messenger? Yes, if it's anti-ATI and pro-Nvidia
Biased? Yes
Troll? Yes
Time for a vacation from the forums? Yes

Trolling is lame.

It's nice you think you're a mod.

I can't help but wonder if you or any of the rest would be here clamoring for my ban if this post was about a SLI motherboard.

I sort of doubt it, hypocsrisy is the enemy of the valid exchange of information.

Duh! Everyone is "clamoring" for your ban because your posts are ALWAYs biased and slanted. Hell I'd vote for you as video mod if you just once slung some mud at nVidia like you do at ATI DAILY!

I simply don't get it? Did an ATI employee run over your dog or something? I don't understand your desire to slander ATI. The rest of us let our spending dollars do our talking... you on the other hand get some kick out of promoting nVidia and slandering ATI. You're like an out of control nVidia viral marketing tool and you're nothing more than a broken record that everyone is tired of hearing.

1. There are more people clamoring for me to be a mod than remove me.

2. I am providing information needed by our members to make good video card choices.

Let's say you are an AGP X850 owner wanting to upgrade to Crossfire and a X1800XL or XT.

You read the generally favorable reviews of the XL/XT, you read the favorable AT review of the DFI Crossfire board, you know DFI is a reknowned enthusiast mobo OEM, so you send newegg your $800 and get the XT/DFI combo.

Uh oh. Your system is borked and won't even post half the time. You spend hours trying to troubleshoot, wasted.

Then you see the HardOCP review that says these boards may even be recalled they're so bad.

Are you still thinking "Thank God Rollo didn't post that Crossfire mobo review in AT video- I'm GLAD I bought this crap and can't boot like all the others!"

That is my reaosn for doing this.

If you can honestly say this post doesn't belong here or is trolling after reading that, I would say YOU are the one who should be banned for trying to deny information valuable to current video card purchases in a forum solely devoted to the exchange of video card related information.

 

[Ackmed]

Kyle from HardOCP posted the thread to discuss it in the motherboard section. Wonder why that is? Oh... because its a motherboard issue. Thinking otherwise is ignorance. If thats the case, then ANY motherboard with issues like this, should be posted in the video forums. But why arent they? Because its not a video issue. Its not a Crossfire issue, and this doesnt mean Crossfire is an unstable platform. Its just another anti-ATi thread, by an anti-ATi person who likes to troll. Simple as that, and Im done feeding him.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
I'm glad you answered my question:
Why didn't you post this review from a reputable source when it was published?
Anandtech's Review of the DFI LANParty UT RDX200

I didn't see in the AT review that they tested retail boards like H did, often parts sent to reviewers are cherry picked and work better than ones you or I will see.

Even if they did buy it retail, H tested two retail, and said the DFI forums are full of people with their problems.

Why do you want to deny people buying Crossfire rigs this weekend this information?

 

[Keysplayr]

All you guys are showing me is that you cannot handle any news about ATI except good news. Well, news flash folks, this year, there has not been a lot of good news for them.

Here is the good news first:

ATI releases R520 with the XL available almost immediately. XT to be available in a month. (Not to bad right?)
ATI tweaks memory controller to significantly improve Quake4/Doom3 performance. (Awesome news)
ATI gets more performance with 5.11 release. (Always good)


And of course, you can't have the good without the bad right?:

ATI needed to tape out a third time for R520. (not good)
ATI 5 months late to market with R520 due to taking 3 tape outs to get it right.(not good)
ATI Crossfire paper launches no less than 3 times and still hasn't shown up in any quantity.
ATI certifies ZERO motherboards for use with Crossfire technology. (Page is blank)
ATI Crossfire cannot exceed 1600x1200 @60Hz (this was a big one)
ATI Southbridge unstable, resorts to ULI southbridge until fixed. Forces vendors to sell board anyway. (OMG this was bad)

I can go on and on about the negatives, but only a handful of positives come to mind right now. I'm sure you can see the negatives outweigh the positives this year.

If you want to go tit for tat on pro's and cons for ATI and Nvidia, I will be glad to oblidge.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Reading forums threads in the Motherboard forum and on other forums, I haven't yet read about one person who actually owns the board have problems with booting up. Just the HardOCP folks. Interesting.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Rollo
1. There are more people clamoring for me to be a mod than remove me.

2. I am providing information needed by our members to make good video card choices.

Let's say you are an AGP X850 owner wanting to upgrade to Crossfire and a X1800XL or XT.

You read the generally favorable reviews of the XL/XT, you read the favorable AT review of the DFI Crossfire board, you know DFI is a reknowned enthusiast mobo OEM, so you send newegg your $800 and get the XT/DFI combo.

Uh oh. Your system is borked and won't even post half the time. You spend hours trying to troubleshoot, wasted.

Then you see the HardOCP review that says these boards may even be recalled they're so bad.

Are you still thinking "Thank God Rollo didn't post that Crossfire mobo review in AT video- I'm GLAD I bought this crap and can't boot like all the others!"

That is my reaosn for doing this.

If you can honestly say this post doesn't belong here or is trolling after reading that, I would say YOU are the one who should be banned for trying to deny information valuable to current video card purchases in a forum solely devoted to the exchange of video card related information.

get over yourself . . .no one is seriously "clamoring for you to be a mod" - except SP who thinks you're Jesus.
:roll:

you are making NO info in this thread re: "good video card choices" . . . just a skewed attack on a DFI MB that is NOT ati-certified

finally, HARD OCP is basing this info on TWO mbs from DFI . . . no other reviewer had 'booting problems'

and yes, i can honestly say Your post doesn't belong here and is trolling after reading your weak excuses
:thumbsdown:

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
All you guys are showing me is that you cannot handle any news about ATI except good news. Well, news flash folks, this year, there has not been a lot of good news for them.

You can't handle bad news about your beloved video card maker

and it's not 'bad news' that i object to . . . it's FUD - which is what THIS topic is about.

and i'm outta here

aloha

 

[Capt Caveman]

Huh? I just did a search and couldn't find a thread comparing between the A8N32-SLI and A8N-SLI. Thus, I don't think you'll find anyone saying it was in the wrong place. There also is no thread about the 19% video performance gains with the new Asus A8N32-SLI and it's x16 chipset in this forum.

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Then it's okay to post other motherboard reviews here? Video performance is part of every motherboard review.

Some one please open a new thread on Anandtech's review of the same motherboard since it contradicts the HardOCP review. And someone start a new thread on the Anandtech's review of the Asus A8N32-SLI, since it's supposed to boost video performance by up 19%.

A comparison between A8N-SLI32 and A8N-SLI motherboards has already been posted and dicussed in this forum, and I don't recall anyone saying it was in the wrong place.

IMO, motherboards that offer a signifcant boost in video card performance or are geared towards the video enthusiast markert should be posted here because we are interested in them. A few pages back, someone stated that this thread would sink in a motherboard forum... Well, this thread certainly isn't sinking here, so obvioulsy is it of interest to people who came to the video card forum to read about video issues...

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Kyle from HardOCP posted the thread to discuss it in the motherboard section. Wonder why that is? Oh... because its a motherboard issue. Thinking otherwise is ignorance. If thats the case, then ANY motherboard with issues like this, should be posted in the video forums. But why arent they? Because its not a video issue. Its not a Crossfire issue, and this doesnt mean Crossfire is an unstable platform. Its just another anti-ATi thread, by an anti-ATi person who likes to troll. Simple as that, and Im done feeding him.

A person wanting to start a Crossfire rig today has to buy this motherboard with their X1800.

To suggest they wouldn't want to know this info, or that they should buy the X1800/a single slot board for now, is ignorance.

People considering Crossfire this weekend need to know this info.

You wanting to limit access to it by only having it in motherboards as this motherboard is a requirement for a Crossfire rig this weekend is mean spirited.

I wish someone who ordered this rig yesterday would post what they think of people like you trying to hide this information from them. I don't think they'd share your perspective.

I'm posting this for them, not you. If you/anyone else doesn't like it, leave my thread and try to tell a mod why you want this removed so more people upgrading can make the mistake the first 1000 who bought this combo did.

Pretty simple, and I think it's pretty ugly how some of you let your bias force you to try and suppress information that's clearly valuable just because it doesn't favor your favorite chip maker.

 

[Duvie]

I love how ATI fans go into spin mode when the info doesn't look rosy....I have been seeing it in the latest nvidia 512mb card threads....in the where are the readily available XT threads....quite funny...

Anyone figured it out yet why Rollo always shows so bunch bad ATi threads??? probably cause there are lots of them...He doesn't have to search much harder then front page news at a few big name sites....This isn't any great research to find this.....


I can agree there is not much option for the misfire yet since the best cards are not even available for it...However how long is this delay going to be...i though this ****** was supposed to be out long time ago....Heck SLI may actually move on by the time ATi shows up....


A few things that are quite clear regardless if we get into ATi certified or not.....Do not by an ATi crossfire board yet...Bottomline...need dual gpus?? get NV and SLI....Plain and simple..hopefully for even the ATi crew...

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Tanclearas
Rollo, this thread is just absolutely pathetic. You feed just the information that makes an argument to show that ATI is to blame. Once again, I am stunned that there are people that actually value your opinion.

You conveniently leave out the following from the article.

The CrossFire motherboard that we have been using for our CrossFire video card evaluation came directly from ATI. I would like to point out that the ATI CrossFire motherboard we have used has been problem-free so far.

When others point out that you are feeding misinformation, you shift direction and point to performance issues with ATI's southbridge. Once again, you fail to also acknowledge any of the performance advantages of the ATI chipset, and completely ignore the problems that people are continuously reporting about Nvidia's chipset. These problems include the very serious, and apparently irreparable, problems experienced by people trying to get Nvidia's much-touted hardware firewall to work, especially following a driver update.

In my opinion, these forums would be far better off without you participating. You're dishonest not in the sense that you blatently lie, but rather that you lie through ommission. You provide just enough truth to further some twisted religious adoration of Nvidia. You'll notice that my current system is Nvidia-based, but it doesn't mean I have any obligation to Nvidia to pretend that they can do no wrong, or that I have an obligation to convince others that ATI is evil and Nvidia is the only way to go.

In short, you are everything a computer hardware enthusiast should not be.

Oui Vay.. The point: Do not buy this DFI board if you plan on Crossfire.
In other words. For people who are considering crossfire, stay away from this DFI board.
In other other words. For people who were considering buying this DFI board and expect to crossfire, you're out of luck. (Trying to think how many other ways I can put this)
You don't think this info is useful. I don't have a problem with that. Just don't post this nonsense like you just did because it wasn't sugar coated with a statement like "But the good news is, the board we are currently testing our crossfire on came directly from ATI and is working fine!!" That has no bearing on the DFI/Crossfire issue now does it. Rollo never said it would not work with other boards, but you expected him so say so? Why?
Why could you have just simply stated this yourself in a calm manner?

Easier to flame than to be civil?

 

[Creig]

This is getting ridiculous. Rollo has already been given a two week vacataion for "seemingly endless, pointless, useless flaming" and now he's on a campaign of "seemingly endless, pointless, useless baiting".

Can we get a Moderator to permanently ban Rollo now? I think he's proven himself to be more hindrance than help to the AT forums.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Huh? Please post any threads from any of the other 1000 board owners that are having problems booting their systems. Thx

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Kyle from HardOCP posted the thread to discuss it in the motherboard section. Wonder why that is? Oh... because its a motherboard issue. Thinking otherwise is ignorance. If thats the case, then ANY motherboard with issues like this, should be posted in the video forums. But why arent they? Because its not a video issue. Its not a Crossfire issue, and this doesnt mean Crossfire is an unstable platform. Its just another anti-ATi thread, by an anti-ATi person who likes to troll. Simple as that, and Im done feeding him.

A person wanting to start a Crossfire rig today has to buy this motherboard with their X1800.

To suggest they wouldn't want to know this info, or that they should buy the X1800/a single slot board for now, is ignorance.

People considering Crossfire this weekend need to know this info.

You wanting to limit access to it by only having it in motherboards as this motherboard is a requirement for a Crossfire rig this weekend is mean spirited.

I wish someone who ordered this rig yesterday would post what they think of people like you trying to hide this information from them. I don't think they'd share your perspective.

I'm posting this for them, not you. If you/anyone else doesn't like it, leave my thread and try to tell a mod why you want this removed so more people upgrading can make the mistake the first 1000 who bought this combo did.

Pretty simple, and I think it's pretty ugly how some of you let your bias force you to try and suppress information that's clearly valuable just because it doesn't favor your favorite chip maker.

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Easier to flame than to be civil?

Yes, look what you just did to him:

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Just don't post this nonsense like you just did