More Crossfire woes

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Last post. Im curious why you didnt post about the SLI motherboard issues, when they came out, in the video section Rollo?

Originally posted by: AnandTech
The SLI roundup has been an interesting journey. We had stopped a lot of places along the way - from being convinced that nForce4 SLI was not ready for prime time to being mightily impressed with stability of SLI once we worked out all the kinks.

Originally posted by: AnandTech
The last few weeks have been extremely frustrating as we put together the nForce4 SLI roundup and prepared to launch our new motherboard test suite. It was so bad, in fact, that about 10 days ago, we were ready to post an SLI roundup titled "nForce4 SLI Roundup: On a Wing and a Prayer".

Originally posted by: AnandTech
Little flaws become magnified when you are pumping two synchronized GPUs with more transistors each than the most complicated CPU on the market.

http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2465&p=28

What does this tell us? New hardware usually has a teething time when its not the best it can be. This isnt anything different. If you are really "fair and balanced", why didnt you post that article in the video section? Seems like a double standard to me.

Off topic, and a year old. This thread is about why people considering a Crossfire combo this weekend should think twice, not what was up with SLI a year ago.

I discussed that then, but feel free to make a new thread about it if you think it's relevant today?

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: rise4310
first off, it appears a bios fix is out by dfi, for at least some of the woes.

Good news !

No more "exit from bios" problems for me with this bios

With the original 10/11 bios, everytime i change a setting in the bios and do 'save to CMOS and exit' , the system hangs.
This problem is now solved for me with the 11/2 bios.

secondly, this is not a bad place to post this stuff. what a bunch o' crap.

q-"why didn't you post AT's review"
a-uh, because it had nothing to say aside from its not unexpected, stellar performance review of a at the time unavailable board?

whoever in this thread o' crap that said all you ati fans or rollo haters need to back off is absolutely correct. damn, any single issue mentioned with ati products leads to this "circling of the wagons (atidiots)" defense which is pathetic.

literally, that was the first thread i opened in dfi crossfire forums. and there are plenty of other people with problems but rather than do a little research you just flame rollo :roll:

Some of the woes being fixed for one guy does not mean the H review is invalid.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: rise4310
whoever in this thread o' crap that said all you ati fans or rollo haters need to back off is absolutely correct. damn, any single issue mentioned with ati products leads to this "circling of the wagons (atidiots)" defense which is pathetic.

QFT. Can you imagine if the title of this thread was "New A8N-SLI32 has lots of issues!!!" or something to do with SLI problems? We'd have a little hate-fest going with the usual suspects at the pulpit.

 

[rise]

Originally posted by: Rollo
Some of the woes being fixed for one guy does not mean the H review is invalid.

i never said it did, but as an owner of a few dfi nf4 boards i know once they get working on it, they'll resolve it. oskar is da man

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Off topic, and a year old. This thread is about why people considering a Crossfire combo this weekend should think twice, not what was up with SLI a year ago.

I discussed that then, but feel free to make a new thread about it if you think it's relevant today?

July 5th, 2005 Thats not a year old. Thats about 4 months.

So, why didnt you make a thread about that article when it came out? I mean, if you're all for helping people. There are plenty of reviews where AT has a NF motherboard with problems, yet you've never posted about them. I think we all know why. There are tons of threads like the one you've quoted with problems with NF4 boards, why not post them. Again, we know why.

Originally posted by: Pabster
QFT. Can you imagine if the title of this thread was "New A8N-SLI32 has lots of issues!!!" or something to do with SLI problems? We'd have a little hate-fest going with the usual suspects at the pulpit.

That would have been a good title. Or even better, putting the word "some" in there would have been more accurate. The fact that he says Crossfire is unstable, is the part thats is incorrect. Calling Crossfire "unstable" because of motherboard problems is wrong.

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Huh? I just did a search and couldn't find a thread comparing between the A8N32-SLI and A8N-SLI. Thus, I don't think you'll find anyone saying it was in the wrong place. There also is no thread about the 19% video performance gains with the new Asus A8N32-SLI and it's x16 chipset in this forum.

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Then it's okay to post other motherboard reviews here? Video performance is part of every motherboard review.

Some one please open a new thread on Anandtech's review of the same motherboard since it contradicts the HardOCP review. And someone start a new thread on the Anandtech's review of the Asus A8N32-SLI, since it's supposed to boost video performance by up 19%.

A comparison between A8N-SLI32 and A8N-SLI motherboards has already been posted and dicussed in this forum, and I don't recall anyone saying it was in the wrong place.

IMO, motherboards that offer a signifcant boost in video card performance or are geared towards the video enthusiast markert should be posted here because we are interested in them. A few pages back, someone stated that this thread would sink in a motherboard forum... Well, this thread certainly isn't sinking here, so obvioulsy is it of interest to people who came to the video card forum to read about video issues...

Just because you can't find it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Actually, the thread was about CrossFire vs SLI vs 16X SLI... Turns out it was a comparison between the DFI Lanparty UT RDX200 CF-DR (with X850XT's), Asus A8N32-SLI Deluxe, and Gigabyte K8NXP SLI. The video cards were the same for the SLI boards.

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=31&threadid=1727448&enterthread=y

Also, just because something wasn't posted here doesn't mean the it shouldn't have been. I think a post about the potential performance gains of 16x SLI vs. SLI would have been an on topic and welcome post on this forum. The only major difference between the two would be SLI performance, which is certainly video related.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: rise4310

Originally posted by: Rollo
Some of the woes being fixed for one guy does not mean the H review is invalid.

i never said it did, but as an owner of a few dfi nf4 boards i know once they get working on it, they'll resolve it. oskar is da man

I thank you for the support in your OP, but the thread you linked has things like

Still playing with it, but so far it didn't fix much.

Board now posts after messing with the BIOS, but only at stock settings. It still won't post when overclocking, still have to hit reset for it to post.

It sitll occasionally hangs on POST, either before loading windows, or before going into the BIOS, even at 100% prime95 stable settings.

in it, so people still need this info.

I agree in that I hope it is resolved soon.

 

[Zstream]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Rollo

Off topic, and a year old. This thread is about why people considering a Crossfire combo this weekend should think twice, not what was up with SLI a year ago.

I discussed that then, but feel free to make a new thread about it if you think it's relevant today?

July 5th, 2005 Thats not a year old. Thats about 4 months.

So, why didnt you make a thread about that article when it came out? I mean, if you're all for helping people. There are plenty of reviews where AT has a NF motherboard with problems, yet you've never posted about them. I think we all know why.

Because no one takes these forums seriously except for hot deals and trade sections.

If this is not bating and bashing something that is not the fault then there is a problem.

"I think it's pretty obvious ATI should not have entered this arena at this point in time- Crossfire has been a tale of woe all year, late, limited and malfunctioning at all levels."

"When SLI came out, people were fond of posting it's trivial issues like "doesn't work with Apple monitor", "doesn't support WS yet", "doesn't work in ancient Windows 2000"."

which is a complete lie, SLI has had so many issues when it came out I can't even respond with a straight face without laughing so hard.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Zstream

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Rollo

Off topic, and a year old. This thread is about why people considering a Crossfire combo this weekend should think twice, not what was up with SLI a year ago.

I discussed that then, but feel free to make a new thread about it if you think it's relevant today?

July 5th, 2005 Thats not a year old. Thats about 4 months.

So, why didnt you make a thread about that article when it came out? I mean, if you're all for helping people. There are plenty of reviews where AT has a NF motherboard with problems, yet you've never posted about them. I think we all know why.

Because no one takes these forums seriously except for hot deals and trade sections.

If this is not bating and bashing something that is not the fault then there is a problem.

"I think it's pretty obvious ATI should not have entered this arena at this point in time- Crossfire has been a tale of woe all year, late, limited and malfunctioning at all levels."

"When SLI came out, people were fond of posting it's trivial issues like "doesn't work with Apple monitor", "doesn't support WS yet", "doesn't work in ancient Windows 2000"."

which is a complete lie, SLI has had so many issues when it came out I can't even respond with a straight face without laughing so hard.

The great thing about America Zstream is how much we value everyone's right to speak their opinion about new issues that concern us.

The people who founded this country considered this right so important, they made it the 1st Amendment to our Constitution, the highest law in our land.

I wonder what they'd think of a fellow like you trying to suppress information because the way it was phrased was somehow offensive to you.

I think we know.

 

[rise]

Originally posted by: Zstream
Because no one takes these forums seriously except for hot deals and trade sections.

why are you here again?

anyway, rollo, all i was saying is that its a new board, there will be problems (especially coming from dfi ) but that i started reading this thread and after three pages of utter nonsense i decided to poke my head into dfi.street (see, thats where the board came from :roll: ) and lo and behold, the first thread i open has to do with a bios fix, for some.

so if everybody (read atidiots) would settle down and take a look at the facts available, this thread would have been more helpful to the people its supposed to help.

 

[Zstream]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Zstream

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Rollo

Off topic, and a year old. This thread is about why people considering a Crossfire combo this weekend should think twice, not what was up with SLI a year ago.

I discussed that then, but feel free to make a new thread about it if you think it's relevant today?

July 5th, 2005 Thats not a year old. Thats about 4 months.

So, why didnt you make a thread about that article when it came out? I mean, if you're all for helping people. There are plenty of reviews where AT has a NF motherboard with problems, yet you've never posted about them. I think we all know why.

Because no one takes these forums seriously except for hot deals and trade sections.

If this is not bating and bashing something that is not the fault then there is a problem.

"I think it's pretty obvious ATI should not have entered this arena at this point in time- Crossfire has been a tale of woe all year, late, limited and malfunctioning at all levels."

"When SLI came out, people were fond of posting it's trivial issues like "doesn't work with Apple monitor", "doesn't support WS yet", "doesn't work in ancient Windows 2000"."

which is a complete lie, SLI has had so many issues when it came out I can't even respond with a straight face without laughing so hard.

The great thing about America Zstream is how much we value everyone's right to speak their opinion about new issues that concern us.

The people who founded this country considered this right so important, they made it the 1st Amendment to our Constitution, the highest law in our land.

I wonder what they'd think of a fellow like you trying to suppress information because the way it was phrased was somehow offensive to you.

I think we know.

And what does this have to do with your post? Nothing... there hasnt been a single post in which you have made a real valid argument for anything including bating/flaming/posting information from other sites. You have no concept of what a true debater does, they do not post or speak to inflame but to indulge on the other side and advocate what they believe without sparking riots because of the stupidity in which you post.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: rise4310

Originally posted by: Zstream
Because no one takes these forums seriously except for hot deals and trade sections.

why are you here again?

anyway, rollo, all i was saying is that its a new board, there will be problems (especially coming from dfi ) but that i started reading this thread and after three pages of utter nonsense i decided to poke my head into dfi.street (see, thats where the board came from :roll: ) and lo and behold, the first thread i open has to do with a bios fix, for some.

so if everybody (read atidiots) would settle down and take a look at the facts available, this thread would have been more helpful to the people its supposed to help.

QFT

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Zstream

And what does this have to do with your post? Nothing... there hasnt been a single post in which you have made a real valid argument for anything including bating/flaming/posting information from other sites. You have no concept of what a true debater does, they do not post or speak to inflame but to indulge on the other side and advocate what they believe without sparking riots because of the stupidity in which you post.

You took it off topic by claiming it was flaming due to the way I worded it, I responded that the law of the land protects my right to say it in that manner.

The moderators of this board have authority over the way things are said here, not you, so why are you here? PM the mods, as has already been done I imagine.

It would be pretty interesting to see the mods remove something as harmless as

Crossfire has been a tale of woe all year, late, limited and malfunctioning at all levels."

because that would REALLY open the floodgates now, wouldn't it?

The mods would be petitioned every single time anyone said something negative about anything, and I don't think they want the work of sifting through them.

I have the feeling the mods are laughing at the PMs about this thread, and probably think some of the far Off topic behavior of you defenders is a FAR more grievous situation than me posting a link to a negative review and my opinion of it?

This post became a flame war because some narrow minded people couldn't stand to see something negative posted about ATI. Rather than try to refute the information, they attacked the poster and his supposed motives.

Even if you could get a mod high enough to see your point of view on this and delete it here for reasons that would baffle Confuscius, I've been flat out told by mods all over the web they have no problem with me or my posts, and I'll put it ten other places.

You WON'T stop this info from getting out. That is the fact.

I won't EVER violate a rule here, so you will be seeing this sort of thing the rest of your life.

 

[Zstream]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Zstream

And what does this have to do with your post? Nothing... there hasnt been a single post in which you have made a real valid argument for anything including bating/flaming/posting information from other sites. You have no concept of what a true debater does, they do not post or speak to inflame but to indulge on the other side and advocate what they believe without sparking riots because of the stupidity in which you post.

You took it off topic by claiming it was flaming due to the way I worded it, I responded that the law of the land protects my right to say it in that manner.

The moderators of this board have authority over the way things are said here, not you, so why are you here? PM the mods, as has already been done I imagine.

It would be pretty interesting to see the mods remove something as harmless as

Crossfire has been a tale of woe all year, late, limited and malfunctioning at all levels."

because that would REALLY open the floodgates now, wouldn't it?

The mods would be petitioned every single time anyone said something negative about anything, and I don't think they want the work of sifting through them.

I have the feeling the mods are laughing at the PMs about this thread, and probably think some of the far Off topic behavior of you defenders is a FAR more grievous situation than me posting a link to a negative review and my opinion of it?

This post became a flame war because some narrow minded people couldn't stand to see something negative posted about ATI. Rather than try to refute the information, they attacked the poster and his supposed motives.

Even if you could get a mod high enough to see your point of view on this and delete it here for reasons that would baffle Confuscius, I've been flat out told by mods all over the web they have no problem with me or my posts, and I'll put it ten other places.

You WON'T stop this info from getting out. That is the fact.

I won't EVER violate a rule here, so you will be seeing this sort of thing the rest of your life.

Well then I feel sorry for you and no one ever takes your consideration into the opinion of buying any hardware. Feel free to spam retarded post, it makes you look even more like a Nvidiot and fanboy, you do not have a crossfire motherboard, you do not have ATI x1800XL or XT.

If there is a cost issue to where you cannot afford these items then I am sure you can go to www.nvidia.com and try to get a petition from all your fan's and get a forum PR job.

O and FYI I responded that the law of the land protects my right to say it in that manner. 99.9% of forums do now allow bating/flaming. As I said before who would take these forums seriously?

 

[solofly]

Originally posted by: rbV5

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: rbV5

As there's no such thing as a certified board, this is all we can comment on. People are buying video cards NOW, what Crossfire boards may or may not be someday is irrelevant

You're wrong and in the wrong forum.
Link

LOL there's ONE Crossfire board on that page, and:
1. It hasn't been reviewed
2. It's a lowly ECS! (I'd rather use an Xbox than their crap)
3. It's not for sale

Like I said, I'm just trying to give people considering video card choices the whole picture, and this DFI is it, present day.

Its the weekend again and you're trolling video again...big suprise.

To all Ati fanboys.

If you have a problem with Rollo's threads then don't respond, period. Instead you take a perfectly valid thread and turn it into $hit and personal attacks. You wanna attack somebody do it in person (preferably in a ring) otherwise shut your holes. This is what causes conflicts among people and derails topics.

 

[Zstream]

Originally posted by: solofly

Originally posted by: rbV5

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: rbV5

As there's no such thing as a certified board, this is all we can comment on. People are buying video cards NOW, what Crossfire boards may or may not be someday is irrelevant

You're wrong and in the wrong forum.
Link

LOL there's ONE Crossfire board on that page, and:
1. It hasn't been reviewed
2. It's a lowly ECS! (I'd rather use an Xbox than their crap)
3. It's not for sale

Like I said, I'm just trying to give people considering video card choices the whole picture, and this DFI is it, present day.

Its the weekend again and you're trolling video again...big suprise.

To all Ati fanboys.

If you have a problem with Rollo's threads then don't respond, period. Instead you take a perfectly valid thread and turn it into $hit and personal attacks. You wanna attack somebody do it in person otherwise shut your holes. This is what causes conflicts among people and derails topics.

Once again my point is proven, nothing what Rollo linked was incorrect, it was what he stated before it and after the link. If you prefer to have a forum that is filled with BS then go ahead. This is what it is turning out to be.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Zstream
Once again my point is proven, nothing what Rollo linked was incorrect, it was what he stated before it and after the link. If you prefer to have a forum that is filled with BS then go ahead. This is what it is turning out to be.

Then WTF are you doing here? Just fanning the flames?

 

[M0RPH]

I wish more people would just ignore these posts. Seriously, the best way to deal with this guy is just to follow the old adage, "Don't feed the troll." He just feeds off all this attention.

 

[Capt Caveman]

FWIW - just went over to dfi-street and folks are running crossfire successfully on this motherboard. But if the board won't boot-up how? Magic? No silly, just some boards may be defective. But then you can say that about any mobo.

 

[solofly]

Originally posted by: Zstream

Originally posted by: solofly

Originally posted by: rbV5

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: rbV5

As there's no such thing as a certified board, this is all we can comment on. People are buying video cards NOW, what Crossfire boards may or may not be someday is irrelevant

You're wrong and in the wrong forum.
Link

LOL there's ONE Crossfire board on that page, and:
1. It hasn't been reviewed
2. It's a lowly ECS! (I'd rather use an Xbox than their crap)
3. It's not for sale

Like I said, I'm just trying to give people considering video card choices the whole picture, and this DFI is it, present day.

Its the weekend again and you're trolling video again...big suprise.

To all Ati fanboys.

If you have a problem with Rollo's threads then don't respond, period. Instead you take a perfectly valid thread and turn it into $hit and personal attacks. You wanna attack somebody do it in person otherwise shut your holes. This is what causes conflicts among people and derails topics.

Once again my point is proven, nothing what Rollo linked was incorrect, it was what he stated before it and after the link. If you prefer to have a forum that is filled with BS then go ahead. This is what it is turning out to be.

An argument is normal, insulting someone isn't. (and constantly putting them down)

PS.
I don't know Rollo but I've heard is a very big guy. I would be careful if I were you...

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Rollo

Off topic, and a year old. This thread is about why people considering a Crossfire combo this weekend should think twice, not what was up with SLI a year ago.

I discussed that then, but feel free to make a new thread about it if you think it's relevant today?

July 5th, 2005 Thats not a year old. Thats about 4 months.

So, why didnt you make a thread about that article when it came out? I mean, if you're all for helping people. There are plenty of reviews where AT has a NF motherboard with problems, yet you've never posted about them. I think we all know why. There are tons of threads like the one you've quoted with problems with NF4 boards, why not post them. Again, we know why.

Originally posted by: Pabster
QFT. Can you imagine if the title of this thread was "New A8N-SLI32 has lots of issues!!!" or something to do with SLI problems? We'd have a little hate-fest going with the usual suspects at the pulpit.

That would have been a good title. Or even better, putting the word "some" in there would have been more accurate. The fact that he says Crossfire is unstable, is the part thats is incorrect. Calling Crossfire "unstable" because of motherboard problems is wrong.

All this effort, Ackmed. And the thread is still here. Where it belongs.
And why do you feel it necessary to declare "Last post"? We don't care how many times you post be it 10 or 10million. Is it like an ultimatum post or something? Post away.
It doesn't look like it will have any effect.

 

[sandorski]

<<< Mr Thread says, "I'm lost and ended up here."

 

[5150Joker]

IMO as far as chipsets go: Intel>>nForce>VIA>>>SiS/ATi. Intel has by far the best and most stable chipsets in the industry based on personal and third party evaluations. nForce is pretty good but not up to par with Intel chipsets, I still have problems with my nForce 4 board (happens to be DFI) locking up for no good reason with certain settings that don't even stress the system. Seems the ATi chipset needs some work to sort out stability issues and I doubt that will happen with the first generation of Crossfire boards. I don't think Crossfire will be a viable platform until R600. The cards that do have it don't support it natively, it was hacked together so as a result the entire platform suffers. When and if ATi gets around to designing Crossfire functionality in the chip like nVidia does with SLi and revises its chipset, then it may become worth looking at.

 

[CaiNaM]

it's funny how some people's panties get twisted in a bunch over something like this...

being specifically a "dual video card" solution, it's certainly relevant to this forum, and while the article wasn't exactly quoted in a "fair and balanced" manner, the proper response would be to provide that balance with relevant information, not bitch, whine, and attack the poster... the insults/attacks, etc. certainly are not coming from the OP.

at any rate, it likely will be something which will be worked out, but at least for the time being, going the crossfire route seems only viable for an enthusiast with some decent technical knowledge who is willing to "work" through some early issues -- certainly not ready for the mainstream at this point in time.