Montana Prematurely Ends Unemployment Benefits- Return to Work you Bums!

[fskimospy]

Every single state pays in addition to federal gov $300. In reality they make a week between $480-500 a week depending on a state. Also unemployment is not designed for you to find a good job, it's designed to help you until you find a job. Yes if you find a job that pays minimum wage that is the job you should take if you are hired.

This is not even remotely true. One of the explicit purposes of unemployment is to give people time to find a job that matches their skills and experience.

 

[BoomerD]

If your job was good enough BEFORE COVID, it should be good enough now. The Fed enhancement to unemployment was to help people survive when everything got shut down...it was not meant to entice you to stay home when your job came back.
If your job doesn't pay well enough...get a different one...even if it means finding a way to get some education...or an apprenticeship.

 

[BoomerD]

This is not even remotely true. One of the explicit purposes of unemployment is to give people time to find a job that matches their skills and experience.

Maybe...but if you had a job as a bakery manager...and you apply for a different job and are offered that job...you have to take it...even if it pays considerably less.

 

[weblooker2021]

This is not even remotely true. One of the explicit purposes of unemployment is to give people time to find a job that matches their skills and experience.

Yes but we are talking over a year on unemployment for some people. At this point, one should be applying for any job that is available.

 

[weblooker2021]

I think most state benefits ran out a long time ago. And UI is to help you find an equivalent job, otherwise they'd make business people and engineers apply at McDonald's, which they don't.

In order to qualify for $300, you need to qualify for a minimum of $1 in state unemployment.

 

[Zorba]

Maybe...but if you had a job as a bakery manager...and you apply for a different job and are offered that job...you have to take it...even if it pays considerably less.

That's not true. You don't have to take a lower job to keep UI.

 

[Zorba]

In order to qualify for $300, you need to qualify for a minimum of $1 in state unemployment.

Most states only provide UI for 6 months, the federal enhanced is 84 weeks.

 

[weblooker2021]

That's not true. You don't have to take a lower job to keep UI.

False, if you apply for a job and is offered a position and you refuse, you are required to report it by law and you get disqualified form unemployment.

 

[weblooker2021]

Most states only provide UI for 6 months, the federal enhanced is 84 weeks.

States been extending unemployment past 6 months and been matching the period of federal unemployment.

 

[fskimospy]

False, if you apply for a job and is offered a position and you refuse, you are required to report it by law and you get disqualified form unemployment.

False. You are not allowed to reject 'suitable employment', which broadly means employment roughly similar to your old job. If you make $100k a year and apply to McDonalds and then later decide not to take it you will not be disqualified.

 

[Moonbeam]

Yes, generally speaking if there are two identical properties in terms of size, etc. next door to one another and one is new and the other is old, the new one will cost more. It is frankly baffling that anyone would think otherwise, outside of exceptions like the ones I mentioned.

If you would like to test this theory for yourself go to streeteasy and use the ‘pre-war’ filter. Tell me if the prices for pre-war buildings are higher or lower than their new construction equivalents.

It is kind of funny though how you say everyone is trying to escape density but then casually mention the overwhelming demand for dense areas. Kind of reminds me of the Yogi Berra quote ‘nobody goes there anymore, it’s too crowded’.

What is funny is that we live in a system that requires people to have a job to survive which turns people into economic slaves dependent on finding those jobs where they can be had. This creates the situation where you now say that in addition to slaves they should accept a life fit for ants. That is why those who suffer no economic need flee crowded places or protect what they own from being turned into an ant farm. And you want to support this insanity by meeting demand where it exists and do nothing about why that demand is the result of an ideological insanity called unregulated capitalism.

What I am saying is that the notion that new costs more than old has little relevance where I live because almost nobody can afford to buy old and then knock it down and build new. All that does is increase the value of land generally in heavily desirable areas. That is why new will tend to be built on the cheepest land available and result in urban sprawl, the result of people not wanting to be packed into cities until urban blight traffic and increasing crowding starts to make them look more desireable again based significantly on the time and gas money eaten up by commutes.

 

[Zorba]

False, if you apply for a job and is offered a position and you refuse, you are required to report it by law and you get disqualified form unemployment.

If it is deemed an equivalent position. https://employment.findlaw.com/losi...llect-unemployment-insurance-ui-benefits.html

Maybe you should actually do some basic research, instead of posting what you've read in your no-knowledge facebook groups.

States been extending unemployment past 6 months and been matching the period of federal unemployment.

I'm sure you can link that up, right?

 

[fskimospy]

What is funny is that we live in a system that requires people to have a job to survive which turns people into economic slaves dependent on finding those jobs where they can be had. This creates the situation where you now say that in addition to slaves they should accept a life fit for ants. That is why those who suffer no economic need flee crowded places or protect what they own from being turned into an ant farm. And you want to support this insanity by meeting demand where it exists and do nothing about why that demand is the result of an ideological insanity called unregulated capitalism.

What I am saying is that the notion that new costs more than old has little relevance where I live because almost nobody can afford to buy old and then knock it down and build new. All that does is increase the value of land generally in heavily desirable areas. That is why new will tend to be built on the cheepest land available and result in urban sprawl, the result of people not wanting to be packed into cities until urban blight traffic and increasing crowding starts to make them look more desireable again based significantly on the time and gas money eaten up by commutes.

I'm not sure what else you want me to say. I understand you believe that people who don't want to live in the same type of housing that you do should be forced to by the government because you know what's best for them. I think that's weird and bad.

 

[Moonbeam]

What about the Seaport District on the lower east side of Manhattan where they are fighting to preserve a parking lot in a historic district because they don't want a new tall building to ruin their view. If you want to make your blood boil with NIMBY arguments, read the NYT piece about it a few days ago.

Neither of you are like that of course. Only those nasty Nimbys.

 

[K1052]

Oh I read that one, haha.

What's really fucked up is that the head of that 'children first' (LOL) group Megan Malvern has been trying to sell her unit and so if the view becomes obstructed she will lose money. The article never mentions she has a direct financial stake in not getting anything built, which is really bad journalism.

A lot of these fights in NYC feature someone who has almost comically gained or stands to gain from kneecapping development. Most of the coverage never indicates these people have a financial stake in what they're doing which is an enormous disservice.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Look at Houston, all sprawl, there will never be a chance for real mass transit there. Not to mention a host of other issues. Lack of zoning also means complete and utter lack of planning, developers build whatever gets them the biggest buck today, who cares if it makes any sense for anyone else.

Cities should be planned, and zoning should support that plan. Obviously there are issues with zoning as protectionism, but lack of zoning doesn't lead to better results. Since you claim it does, link of some studies that show reduced zoning results in better outcomes for cities.

Also just because places have zoning doesn't mean it's actually restrictive. OKC has zoning, but it's trivially easy to get it changed.

You're coming at this like there is a clear-defined, simplistic, and cookie cuter agenda of what makes a successfully made city area. It doesn't exist and never will. The world is constantly changing.

I actually live in Houston - and I've actually taken in the bus system to work previously when I worked downtown.

You're honestly... full of shit. While I hate Houston for other reasons - there is absolutely nothing wrong on the face of it as far as zoning.


And like I said - the world is constantly changing. Businesses that were once big in Houston are now dying down or staying stagnant. With how it has developed, businesses are now starting to realize that people don't want to live in the middle of the cities and are instead opting to build out in the suburb areas of The Woodlands, Cypress, Sugarland, etc....

 

[Moonbeam]

I'm not sure what else you want me to say. I understand you believe that people who don't want to live in the same type of housing that you do should be forced to by the government because you know what's best for them. I think that's weird and bad.

I know that you feel that way. And you defend that by claims of modesty: I am certain and you are not, I oppose choice and you support it. But your modesty amounts to a statement that you do not know what makes life worth living or what makes life real and because you really don't know. My claim is that when you abandon all notions of self and all of the props that support ego the result of that isn't modest ignorance but a revelation of the real, what it means to be human, what the meaning of life really is. What you are asking of me is that all that I found as the result of a failed search for certainty, the transformation of hopelessness into the joy of being never happened and I should again live in the deaf dumb blind state of ignorance that creates your world view. Not going to happen because it can't. Already gave up everything that could be taken. Can't take what it means to be human from human beings unless they remain convinced of the impossibility of really knowing who they are.

You can't unlearn what you are left knowing when you lose all belief. I am saying that no human being would offer another human being the opportunity to become an ant.

 

[weblooker2021]

If it is deemed an equivalent position. https://employment.findlaw.com/losi...llect-unemployment-insurance-ui-benefits.html

Maybe you should actually do some basic research, instead of posting what you've read in your no-knowledge facebook groups.


I'm sure you can link that up, right?

Under the CARES Act responding to the COVID-19 pandemic, all states provided 13 additional weeks of federally funded Pandemic Emergency Unemployment Assistance (PEUC) benefits to people who exhausted their regular state benefits, followed by additional weeks of federally funded EB in states with high unemployment (up to 13 or 20 weeks depending on state laws). Under the Act, some people who exhausted all these benefits, and many others who have lost their jobs for reasons arising from the pandemic but who were not normally eligible for UI in their state, were eligible for Pandemic Unemployment Assistance (PUA). Successive legislation, most recently the American Rescue Plan Act of 2021, has extended the availability of PUA and PEUC through the week ending September 6, 2021. Arkansas, Montana, and South Carolina have announced plans to stop providing these temporary federal benefits before then, and some other states may follow.

Policy Basics: How Many Weeks of Unemployment Compensation Are Available? | Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

The federal-state unemployment insurance (UI) system helps many people who have lost their jobs by temporarily replacing part of their wages. (See “Policy Basics: Unemployment Insurance.”) Under...

www.cbpp.org

 

[fskimospy]

I know that you feel that way. And you defend that by claims of modesty: I am certain and you are not, I oppose choice and you support it. But your modesty amounts to a statement that you do not know what makes life worth living or what makes life real and because you really don't know. My claim is that when you abandon all notions of self and all of the props that support ego the result of that isn't modest ignorance but a revelation of the real, what it means to be human, what the meaning of life really is. What you are asking of me is that all that I found as the result of a failed search for certainty, the transformation of hopelessness into the joy of being never happened and I should again live in the deaf dumb blind state of ignorance that creates your world view. Not going to happen because it can't. Already gave up everything that could be taken. Can't take what it means to be human from human beings unless they remain convinced of the impossibility of really knowing who they are.

You can't unlearn what you are left knowing when you lose all belief. I am saying that no human being would offer another human being the opportunity to become an ant.

Might want to take a moment to consider if your previous allusions to me being a Nazi were projection.

 

[obidamnkenobi]

It's been...nearly 20 years since I collected unemployment benefits...and even longer since I collected as a non-union hiring hall employee...(special "look for work" rules) but they way I remember from those ancient of days...if you were offered a job and didn't have a GREAT reason for turning it down, you lost your UI benefits. I get people wanting to collect the extra unemployment...but if they're offered a job appropriate for their education/experience...if they don't have a good reason for not taking it...cut their benefits off. (and "it doesn't pay as much as my enhanced unemployment" isn't a good reason.)

As for Greg "The Body Slammer" Gianforte ending the enhanced benefits...that's fine...as long as there are actual jobs for people.

I have never collected unemployment, but i grew up in Norway, with supposed "generous" benefits. And I know there, when you report as unemployed they will match you with jobs, and if you refuse (believe three times) without a good reason you'll loose the benefits. It's a benefit "while you find anther job", not simply money for not working..

 

[Zorba]

You're coming at this like there is a clear-defined, simplistic, and cookie cuter agenda of what makes a successfully made city area. It doesn't exist and never will. The world is constantly changing.

I actually live in Houston - and I've actually taken in the bus system to work previously when I worked downtown.

You're honestly... full of shit. While I hate Houston for other reasons - there is absolutely nothing wrong on the face of it as far as zoning.


And like I said - the world is constantly changing. Businesses that were once big in Houston are now dying down or staying stagnant. With how it has developed, businesses are now starting to realize that people don't want to live in the middle of the cities and are instead opting to build out in the suburb areas of The Woodlands, Cypress, Sugarland, etc....

So Houston isn't sprawled and does have a good functional mass transit system? All cities have some bus routes.

Tell me which sections of the city are liveable without a car.

The only claims I made are that it is sprawling and will never have a good mass transit.

From the stats I found the Metro in Houston provided 4.5M passenger miles a day in 12/19. While in 2006 it was estimated that houstonians drove 36 miles a day per person, that is 234M miles per day, so mass transit is at 2% of cars (assuming all car miles are only 1 person).

 

[Zorba]

You're coming at this like there is a clear-defined, simplistic, and cookie cuter agenda of what makes a successfully made city area. It doesn't exist and never will. The world is constantly changing.

I actually live in Houston - and I've actually taken in the bus system to work previously when I worked downtown.

You're honestly... full of shit. While I hate Houston for other reasons - there is absolutely nothing wrong on the face of it as far as zoning.


And like I said - the world is constantly changing. Businesses that were once big in Houston are now dying down or staying stagnant. With how it has developed, businesses are now starting to realize that people don't want to live in the middle of the cities and are instead opting to build out in the suburb areas of The Woodlands, Cypress, Sugarland, etc....

So Houston isn't sprawled and does have a good functional mass transit system? All cities have some bus routes.

Tell me which sections of the city are liveable without a car.

The only claims I made are that it is sprawling and will never have a good mass transit.

From the stats I found the Metro in Houston provided 4.5M passenger miles a day in 12/19. While in 2006 it was estimated that houstonians drove 36 miles a day per person, that is 234M miles per day, so mass transit is at 2% of cars (assuming all car miles are only 1 person).

Just wanted to add, my point wasn't that Houston sucked, it was that getting rid of zoning laws, or having weak ones doesn't create density and the most notable cities with weak laws are not dense.

 

[ElFenix]

If your job was good enough BEFORE COVID, it should be good enough now.

or maybe peoples' priorities changed over the past year.

 

[ElFenix]

Just wanted to add, my point wasn't that Houston sucked, it was that getting rid of zoning laws, or having weak ones doesn't create density and the most notable cities with weak laws are not dense.

zoning laws largely prevent density. and even though houston itself doesn't have zoning, there's a lot of things that act as zoning, such as deed restrictions with minimum lot and house size requirements throughout the area.

houston is sprawled because there's a lot of flat land to the north, west, and south, so there's always another new development with cheap houses at the next highway exit (which are all outside the city limits so zoning or no doesn't have shit to do with it). and there's a lot of those highway exits.

here's some think-tanking explanation of how houston's lack of zoning could increase density:

A minimal approach to regulations may lead to Houston becoming the nation’s next dense city

In the past several months, the density of urban areas has been demonized by more than a few because of the COVID-19 crisis. While understandable, it’s not completely accurate when it comes to the current pandemic, which has ravaged New York but hasn’t affected other very dense cities like Hong...

kinder.rice.edu

 

[nOOky]

Headline that caught my eye today:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...im-at-jobless-benefits/ar-BB1gzLZq?li=BBnb7Kz

From the article: Karl Rove, the Republican strategist and former aide to President George W. Bush, said on “Fox News Sunday” that “I had dinner last week with about eight C.E.O.’s of companies from around the country, mostly family-run, privately held companies. And I said, what’s the No. 1 issue you’re facing? Every one of them said, ‘I — we can’t get enough workers.’ Particularly, and this caught my ear. They said, ‘If the job pays $50,000 or $60,000 or less, it is virtually impossible for us to find workers.’”

So Americans no longer want shitty jobs for shitty pay when they get a taste of how normal people live, gotcha.