Montana Prematurely Ends Unemployment Benefits- Return to Work you Bums!

[Fenixgoon]

That is not the market forces lol. The unemployment bonus directly interferes with the market. Your pool of labor is directly limited BECAUSE of unemployment. If enhanced unemployment didn't exist, there wouor be substantially more qualified labor that would drive down the price.

Please don't tell me you're this slow?

if unemployment is better than employment, what does that tell you about the conditions of employment?

 

[Amused]

That is not the market forces lol. The unemployment bonus directly interferes with the market. Your pool of labor is directly limited BECAUSE of unemployment. If enhanced unemployment didn't exist, there wouor be substantially more qualified labor that would drive down the price.

Please don't tell me you're this slow?

And yet, the article clearly shows many lower paid workers moved on to OTHER jobs and that it is NOT just UI causing this.

Tell me, why can't we find Americans to work in the fields anymore? UI?

Nope.

Again, you're projecting.

 

[MrSquished]

Ultimately conservatives worship the free market. They want no minimum wage, no child labor laws, no worker safety laws, no unions, no healthcare benefits. The more the system is exposed to be paying people pretty shit wages overall for honest labor, the more they get angry and want to attack any system that reveals this.

 

[NWRMidnight]

Every single state pays in addition to federal gov $300. In reality they make a week between $480-500 a week depending on a state. Also unemployment is not designed for you to find a good job, it's designed to help you until you find a job. Yes if you find a job that pays minimum wage that is the job you should take if you are hired.

False! You obviously have no idea how the unemployment system works in most states. In most states, workers have 26 weeks of eligibility for benefits. Only a handful of states have extended those benefits thru emergency orders. Which means the majority of those on unemployment exhausted their state unemployment benefits months ago. The majority of states have not issued any emergency extensions outside the federal mandated extension, specially the majority of the red states. The only unemployment benefit being paid out is the $300 federal benefit in those states. Montana extended their benefits by 13 weeks, which is most likely the federal mandated one. That intention ran out weeks/months ago for many.

You are also wrong about "if you find a job that pay minimum wage, that is the job you should take if you are hired", as most unemployment rules have clauses that pertain to suitable employment. Taking a under paid job in comparison to your previous job/skill/career is not considered suitable employment.

Basically, your argument is, you are okay with people living in poverty, just as long as they are working. Fuck'em if they can't afford to live, they still need to work so the companies can rake in profits and CEO's can get richer. Basically you're are cheering support for the Slave labor system we have in this country.

 

[NWRMidnight]

If your job was good enough BEFORE COVID, it should be good enough now. The Fed enhancement to unemployment was to help people survive when everything got shut down...it was not meant to entice you to stay home when your job came back.
If your job doesn't pay well enough...get a different one...even if it means finding a way to get some education...or an apprenticeship.

The pandemic has opened a lot of workers eyes on just how underpaid and how undervalued they are. It's more than just "if it was good before the pandemic, it should be good now" because the pandemic has made people realize that it wasn't good before the pandemic, specially since upwards of 75% of households where living pay check to pay check before the pandemic.

 

[NWRMidnight]

Under the CARES Act responding to the COVID-19 pandemic, all states provided 13 additional weeks of federally funded Pandemic Emergency Unemployment Assistance (PEUC) benefits to people who exhausted their regular state benefits, followed by additional weeks of federally funded EB in states with high unemployment (up to 13 or 20 weeks depending on state laws). Under the Act, some people who exhausted all these benefits, and many others who have lost their jobs for reasons arising from the pandemic but who were not normally eligible for UI in their state, were eligible for Pandemic Unemployment Assistance (PUA). Successive legislation, most recently the American Rescue Plan Act of 2021, has extended the availability of PUA and PEUC through the week ending September 6, 2021. Arkansas, Montana, and South Carolina have announced plans to stop providing these temporary federal benefits before then, and some other states may follow.

Policy Basics: How Many Weeks of Unemployment Compensation Are Available? | Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

The federal-state unemployment insurance (UI) system helps many people who have lost their jobs by temporarily replacing part of their wages. (See “Policy Basics: Unemployment Insurance.”) Under...

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The eligibility for PUA and PEUC are more restrictive that the normal unemployment benefits. Also, it only extends the eligibility of getting an extra 13 weeks till September 2021, but the total numbers of weeks paid is still 13 weeks total, not every week until September 2021. Most have already exhausted that 13 week extension months ago in 2020. Even if it was a brand new 13 weeks in 2021, most exhausted that the end of March.

 

[Jhhnn]

That is not the market forces lol. The unemployment bonus directly interferes with the market. Your pool of labor is directly limited BECAUSE of unemployment. If enhanced unemployment didn't exist, there wouor be substantially more qualified labor that would drive down the price.

Please don't tell me you're this slow?

And you see that in a favorable light because, what? Because the little people already have it better than they deserve, or what? Working some kind of moral superiority angle?

Spare me. There's no way to rationalize this bullshit in Montana. Why the fuck they want to have less money coming into the state boggles the mind.

 

[NWRMidnight]

Ultimately conservatives worship the free market. They want no minimum wage, no child labor laws, no worker safety laws, no unions, no healthcare benefits. The more the system is exposed to be paying people pretty shit wages overall for honest labor, the more they get angry and want to attack any system that reveals this.

They would pay $0.25 an hour if htey could get away with it, so they can turn their 400X into 10000X income gap.

 

[MrSquished]

Many essential workers turned out not to be worth 15 bucks an hour minimum wage. I think that kinda turned on a lot of people as to how fucked the system is overall.

By where I live, 15 bucks an hour ain't worth shit for a lot of hard work. I hope they get more.

 

[brycejones]

Many essential workers turned out not to be worth 15 bucks an hour minimum wage. I think that kinda turned on a lot of people as to how fucked the system is overall.

By where I live, 15 bucks an hour ain't worth shit for a lot of hard work. I hope they get more.

I think even more galling were the companies that made a big show of paying more early in the pandemic took that extra pay away as their profits continued to increase. Kroger to name one but not the only one.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

There is always a living wage. Simply live below your means, no matter how low.

Fuck all the way off with this stupidity.

 

[Amol S.]

That is not the market forces lol. The unemployment bonus directly interferes with the market. Your pool of labor is directly limited BECAUSE of unemployment. If enhanced unemployment didn't exist, there wouor be substantially more qualified labor that would drive down the price.

Please don't tell me you're this slow?

Please tell me this assumption of yours is without the skills gap factor. That is one thing that a removal of unemployment benefits does not fix. Now don't start arguing and start a claim that there is no skills gap. If there was no skills gap, I would have had my first job by now in Cyber Security. Still am unemployed after graduating from college due to skills gap. Was not eligible for work study due to my parents income.

 

[Moonbeam]

‘I have no desire to control anybody’

‘Also, no person should be permitted to live in a house I do not approve of’

We definitely don’t live in the same reality. You need to take a step back and examine yourself because you’ve gotten high on your own supply.

I do not say no person should live in a house I don’t approve of. I have no desire to control anybody. What I said is that I, unlike you, would never vote to allow people to live like ants. That to me would make me feel evil. I would not give up my sense of what life is about to follow your opinion. You are wrong. That’s it. I know you are wrong about the virtues of density because you see the value of that as someone locked into a system you will not challenge. In the emotionally upside-down worldview that you have, it all makes perfect sense. You are just not high enough to see what I see. But I am here to help you. Do you have any trust issues that are going to interfere with that? And remember it’s just an intention I have. I only want you to see because you have such great potential. That just makes me willing. I don’t need you to believe.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Fuck all the way off with this stupidity.

Get a job, you long haired pot smoking hippie!

 

[brycejones]

Fuck all the way off with this stupidity.

I hereby declare Felix the pussy shall only be paid 1 penny per day. I hope he can live below his means.

 

[VW MAN]

Get a job, you long haired pot smoking hippie!

Get a brain you fucking degenerate moron!

 

[BoomerD]

I remember hearing this same bullshit in 2010. Then extended UI went away, and guess what? Employment didn't shoot up over night.

We just need to cut taxes on the brave men and women who are the JOB CREATORS in this country. The money they save on taxes will trickle down the the peons who work for them.

It will work...trust me.

 

[fskimospy]

I do not say no person should live in a house I don’t approve of. I have no desire to control anybody. What I said is that I, unlike you, would never vote to allow people to live like ants. That to me would make me feel evil. I would not give up my sense of what life is about to follow your opinion. You are wrong. That’s it. I know you are wrong about the virtues of density because you see the value of that as someone locked into a system you will not challenge. In the emotionally upside-down worldview that you have, it all makes perfect sense. You are just not high enough to see what I see. But I am here to help you. Do you have any trust issues that are going to interfere with that? And remember it’s just an intention I have. I only want you to see because you have such great potential. That just makes me willing. I don’t need you to believe.

Great, even though you said otherwise before if you have changed your mind and decided you no longer wish to force people to live where you think they should then we agree!

Great success!

 

[ch33zw1z]

Get a job, you long haired pot smoking hippie!

Stereotypes are a real time saver.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I hereby declare Felix the pussy shall only be paid 1 penny per day. I hope he can live below his means.

Many places are just discarding pallets and cardboard. Others have an abundance food in the free food bins behind eating establishments. If he works hard enough, he may find an actual shower, but probably just bathe in the river.

 

[brycejones]

Many places are just discarding pallets and cardboard. Others have an abundance food in the free food bins behind eating establishments. If he works hard enough, he may find an actual shower, but probably just bathe in the river.

Yeah, I think we need to mandate recycling in secured, tamper proof containers and onsite instant destruction of any left over food. We shouldn't be enabling Felix's laziness and poor work habits that are only worth a penny a day.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Yeah, I think we need to mandate recycling in secured, tamper proof containers and onsite instant onsite destruction of any left over food. We shouldn't be enabling Felix's laziness and poor work habits that are only worth a penny a day.

Sounds good, no freebies.

 

[brycejones]

Sounds good, no freebies.

Let's not forget about the $200 a year mandatory river bathing permit either.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Let's not forget about the $200 a year mandatory river bathing permit either.

Sure, and I hear reducing government bloat in the form of waste water treatment is a good idea. That river can take it.

 

[Paratus]

They would pay $0.25 an hour if htey could get away with it, so they can turn their 400X into 10000X income gap.

Let’s face it if the libertopians had their way we be living in a governmentless world with a single global corporation, living on subsistence wages while the ceo took home a salary equivalent to the worlds GDP while they smugly tell you if you don’t like it start your own global mega Corp as there’s “nothing” stopping you since there’s no government regulations.