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Monster Cable Kit 2.1
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Patrick Wolf
Platinum Member
:laugh:, I detected it when I first read it. I'm just surprised at how gimmicky it sounded to be made up. Snake oil?; Speech or writing intended to deceive; humbug.
Patrick Wolf
Platinum Member
FWIW, I don't know what they are talking about.
What is magnetic flux tube?
This is a specially-designed dielectric tube that runs down the middle of a group of different gauge windings. This helps break up the magnetic field generated from the current flowing through the cable?s conductors. We wrap the larger solid-core conductors (the culprit of this magnetic field) around this dialectric for maximum affect.
What is magnetic flux tube?
This is a specially-designed dielectric tube that runs down the middle of a group of different gauge windings. This helps break up the magnetic field generated from the current flowing through the cable?s conductors. We wrap the larger solid-core conductors (the culprit of this magnetic field) around this dialectric for maximum affect.
CrispyFried
Golden Member
Patrick Wolf
Platinum Member
Yes, it's from monstercable.com's FAQ. It should be "effect"? But looking at the dictionary's definition, I think "affect" works in that statement.
CrispyFried
Golden Member
the whole "time correct winding" (or whatever the magnetic tube thing is that is supposed to get the bass freqs there the "same time" as the highs) is negated by the fact there is a separate subwoofer on a separate cable for the bass :laugh:
its all bs.
use heavy gauge good qaulity copper wire, ie 16 gauge FTW 🙂
its all bs.
use heavy gauge good qaulity copper wire, ie 16 gauge FTW 🙂
Zap Brannigan
Golden Member
The cable is worth it. Expensive but worth it if you have a discerning ear. I splurged on Mogami cable for my speakers and though expenive, no sense in cutting corners if you're going for sound quality.
CrispyFried
Golden Member
yup Magami is good stuff. no mumbo jumbo BS, just heavy gauge pure copper wire, and thats what counts.
not a magnetic flux tube anywhere to be found.
ignore all Monsters BS and they use heavy gauge pure copper wire too. you pay for the name big time.
not a magnetic flux tube anywhere to be found.
ignore all Monsters BS and they use heavy gauge pure copper wire too. you pay for the name big time.
Zap Brannigan
Golden Member
I'm not really a cable afficianado but I'd reccomend this cable ot anyone. I got the gold stuff.
Patrick Wolf
Platinum Member
What about?
-gold plated miniplugs, and wire pin terminations
-Impressive clarity, bass response, and dynamic range in a compact design. :laugh:
-Special LPE insulation reduces signal loss and distortion.
Does the Magami have all that fancy stuff?!
Patrick Wolf
Platinum Member
What's a better alternative?
CrispyFried
Golden Member
since you cant solder to roll your own, youre pretty much stuck.
you might try a pro music store. they would probably have Magami cable, its a well known pro brand. youd still need to solder or use adapters, nothing uses 1/8" plugs that I know of. all the pro stuff is 1/4" or XLR.
just use your monster cables, theyre good, just over hyped and over priced.
you might try a pro music store. they would probably have Magami cable, its a well known pro brand. youd still need to solder or use adapters, nothing uses 1/8" plugs that I know of. all the pro stuff is 1/4" or XLR.
just use your monster cables, theyre good, just over hyped and over priced.
erikistired
Diamond Member
it's definately worth every penny. when i had the promedia 2.1s i had probs with the crap stock cables and these fixed them all. imho it's almost mandatory. all my static probs went away, which was my biggest issue. taking the advice of people who don't own the speakers and don't know how bad the stock wires are is pointless. 🙂
Deinonych
Senior member
As others have stated, they are a marked improvement, quality-wise, over the stock cables. I got sick of the static/shorting in the stock cables, so I ended up getting the Monsters as well. Normally I shy away from Monster cables (they're good, but way overpriced). Since they were the only ones designed for the ProMedia 2.1s, I went ahead and took the plunge. I've had mine for almost 3 years now, with no problems whatsoever.
[edit] for punctuation errors. 😛
While I honestly agree that Mogami (and even Monster) provide high *quality* cables, my eyes hurt whenever someone throws in the "discerning ear" when justifing their worth.
You want your cables to look nice? Check
You want them to last a long time? Check
You want to have that "custom feel" with your system? Check
You want the sound to be audibly identical to the equivalent gauge lamp cord? Check.
ABX, time and time again, has proven this. If not by ABX, it's just a good feeling you get when you can look at your cables while listening to your music.
alcoholbob
Diamond Member
Most as in...what $450-600 2.1 sets does it sound better than?
Unfortunately the effects of magnetic fields do not make a difference to the audible spectrum, which is a very thin bandwidth on the absolute scale.
$30 for 16-guage cable is alot. At best buy for $30 you can get a 100-foot run of 16-guage with included pairs of binding posts. And that's a BAD deal.
These can be bought on the cheap.
Clarity (or lack of signal loss) is primarily cable inductance and how well the connected amplifer is damped (so that the cable impedence causes limited/neglible audible changes). The better of an amp you have, the less of a need for esoteric (read: cable becomes less important, gauge becomes determining factor)
Well...okay that's fair. Insulation does do those things (preventing externalities). Insulation is not very expensive though. I'm sure every other speaker wire in B&M stores are well insulated too. Monster is not an exception, just better advertised and costlier.
DIY - Do it yourself is usually cheaper. Otherwise, whatever you can find online that's cheaper, is a better alternative.
ABX has "proven" that most people no longer can hear the difference before there is no longer a measurable difference. Cables measuring with good inductance, low impedence, well-insulated, usually cost more than Home Depot 12-guage, but not by much. ABX has also *proven* there's no direct link between price and quality.
There is plenty of crap throughout the entire price range, and plenty of good stuff too. It's hard to tell what the "really good stuff is", because well, people have different amplifiers and cables are not stock things, they are a transfer medium. (Assuming gauge is equal), the amplifier (and how well damped it is) tends to be the deciding factor. If its poorly damped, it will have worse results with high impedence, high inductance cables.
It's all about cost/performance. A cable is just one connection. A good cable can fix one problem in the audio chain. But if your amp sucks, its cheaper to buy a better amp then buying better cables for all your sources. Better amp is closer to a one-size fits all solution. And it doesn't just go for amps. If the sound of your system is not to your liking, instead of spending money on a different amp, its more cost effective to just buy better (more neutral speakers).
Upgrade your system accordingly. Snake oil is a term that's often thrown around to mean it has "no effect," but some audio enthusiasts also use it (although in exaggerated fashion) when they speak of things that DO have effects, but aren't the cheapest solution to your problem. Upgrade your speakers, then amp, then cables. If you do it the other way around, you are just being less efficient with your money.
alcoholbob
Diamond Member
Dbl post
rstrohkirch
Platinum Member
Hmmm, so you're one of those people who believes in damping differences in modern solid state amplifiers eh
alcoholbob
Diamond Member
That's a very wide reaching statement. Depends on your budget. Considering most people spend less than $500 on their receivers, yes I do believe in these differences. Check out soundstageav.com. There are measurable differences in amps ranging from $1k to $20k there that deviate as much as 0.8db based on load and frequency.
Here's the link:
http://soundstageav.com/amplifiermeasurements.html
It's pretty obvious damping factor is a massive and widely differing spec from amp to amp. From rough eyeballing alone, damping from a few amps from 10-5KHz (2-5KHz being the "prescence region") is variable by at least a factor of 12.You can bet your wallet different cables will interact differently with those damping factors.
Here's the question--do you NOT believe the damping factors are different from amp to amp?
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